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[gnaag]

Integrity is actually keeping the promises they made to fans/customers (plenty of threads on what casey has said to various media about ME3). If casey hadn't made a lot of promises then I suspect there would be less outrage over how it ended.
Integrity is admitting mistakes (they happen we all make them).

In the end its still bioware who writes whatever they are doing with the ending to ME3, I suspect the vision for ME series changed (my opinion) when Drew left ME team to TOR team (he said he left half way through ME2) and then retired from bioware.

[Gigamantis]

Joccaren wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

I'm not a writer and neither are you.  Besides the introduction of the catalyst at the end the story is perfectly serviceable and the ending was indeed intense and moving.  I leave it to the real creative minds to continue building on what they've hinted at in DLC.  I don't want you or your horrible ideas involved any more than you would want me writing this series.  

Read this for me:
http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/ 
I think this clearly explains why the ending is not servicable.

As to whether it is intense and moving, I will leave that to subjectivity. Suffice to say, the apparent majority thought it was not intense and moving, but instead confusing and not thought out.

Read that already and all it does is complain about the catalyst and complain that ME3 didn't adhere to the exact same formula as the original 2 and questions some inconsistent personality traits going into the third game.  All of it is completely serviceable right up until you throw in the catalyst. 

I honestly think the majority was just upset at the sad ending but decided that overstating plot-holes made them sound more rational in their extreme emotional reaction.  That's just my opinion, though. 

[beepbeepspace]

Gigamantis wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Then too, their artistic vision may have changed. It is not uncommon to be working on something when you have an apiphany, and come up with some great new idea for it. Sure, you may have to change a few things you've already done, but your new vision decides this is for the better.

Honestly, Bioware are strong enough to hold their own. Their artistic integrity won't be sacrificed because the ending is changed. If they change it, its on their terms how. Contrary to popular belief they're not going to write an ending like an action flick where everything just blows up for no reason [Oh wait...] and everyone comes together happily ever after. More likely they will extend their vision, and synthesise both it and the fans wants into a satisfying ending that doesn't destroy the franchise. Your lack of faith in Bioware to be their own company is somewhat disturbing.

Let's be clear; after all of this if the ending changes significantly it's OBVIOUSLY because of unrelenting pressure from the fans. They actually stood by their work right up until they couldn't, and if it does change now we'll all know why.

Anything beyond building on what is obviously their vision is unacceptable for me. I'll keep repeating this, I don't want you or anyone else influencing the creative process for the people who created this fantastic world. Let the DLC build on the things that were hinted at in the end of the game.

Or they could uphold their integrity and change the ending for those who despise it. 

You don't know what integrity is if you think you should abandon it every time someone complains. 

And its quite clear you don't know what integrity is either if you think Bioware has any.

[Gigamantis]

beepbeepspace wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Then too, their artistic vision may have changed. It is not uncommon to be working on something when you have an apiphany, and come up with some great new idea for it. Sure, you may have to change a few things you've already done, but your new vision decides this is for the better.

Honestly, Bioware are strong enough to hold their own. Their artistic integrity won't be sacrificed because the ending is changed. If they change it, its on their terms how. Contrary to popular belief they're not going to write an ending like an action flick where everything just blows up for no reason [Oh wait...] and everyone comes together happily ever after. More likely they will extend their vision, and synthesise both it and the fans wants into a satisfying ending that doesn't destroy the franchise. Your lack of faith in Bioware to be their own company is somewhat disturbing.

Let's be clear; after all of this if the ending changes significantly it's OBVIOUSLY because of unrelenting pressure from the fans. They actually stood by their work right up until they couldn't, and if it does change now we'll all know why.

Anything beyond building on what is obviously their vision is unacceptable for me. I'll keep repeating this, I don't want you or anyone else influencing the creative process for the people who created this fantastic world. Let the DLC build on the things that were hinted at in the end of the game.

Or they could uphold their integrity and change the ending for those who despise it. 

You don't know what integrity is if you think you should abandon it every time someone complains. 

And its quite clear you don't know what integrity is either if you think Bioware has any.

I think they still have some left, but once the fans steal what's left of it there's no reason to go back to Bioware. 

[Sesshaku]

I guess i made a mistake, i must have buyed the wrong game and played Mass Especulation 3 instead of Mass Effect 3. Or pehaps you played the wrong series...i mean, the best ending of all ME?

Mind = Blown

[VoodooDrackus]

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

The game was definately fantastic. Good to see more people enjoyed the game including the ending.

[Gigamantis]

Sesshaku wrote...

I guess i made a mistake, i must have buyed the wrong game and played Mass Especulation 3 instead of Mass Effect 3. Or pehaps you played the wrong series...i mean, the best ending of all ME?

Mind = Blown

First ending in the series where I actually got a little emotional.  That ending was harsh, made me feel something.  Can't say the other 2 did at all. 

[Sinarion13]

MaleQuariansFTW wrote...

I love how all these "the endings were great!" threads also say "I wouldn't mind if they fill in the plot holes".

Denial much?

Just this.

[clipped_wolf]

I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but what is right about the ending to 3?

[TheLastAwakening]

Gigamantis wrote...

I honestly think the majority was just upset at the sad ending but decided that overstating plot-holes made them sound more rational in their extreme emotional reaction.  That's just my opinion, though. 

Woah bro, we think alike. So cool dude. I just replaced all the plothole things the minority of Mass Effect fans were saying with Blah blah blah and the endings made sense. Mind blown.

[dkear1]

Gigamantis wrote...

Sesshaku wrote...

I guess i made a mistake, i must have buyed the wrong game and played Mass Especulation 3 instead of Mass Effect 3. Or pehaps you played the wrong series...i mean, the best ending of all ME?

Mind = Blown

First ending in the series where I actually got a little emotional.  That ending was harsh, made me feel something.  Can't say the other 2 did at all. 

Do you even own the other 2?  Your profile isn't showing it.  I am not sure how you didn't dig ME2's ending.  That was EPIC.  I guess everyone has different tastes and all that.

[Gigamantis]

clipped_wolf wrote...

I'm not trying to be antagonistic, but what is right about the ending to 3?

It was intense, it was beautifully cinematic and it actually choked me up a bit.  The ending to the first ME didn't elicit much emotion from me at all and at one point I remember actually trying to skip through parts of the ME2 ending. 

[Falcon509]

kilgorek wrote...

LOL. Did you even play Mass Effect 1?

He owns the PS3 version of the game, so probably not.

Come to think of it, its surprising how many people who like the ending, seem to play on the PS3 or are new to the series.

[Vexia2070]

Gigamantis wrote...

beepbeepspace wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Then too, their artistic vision may have changed. It is not uncommon to be working on something when you have an apiphany, and come up with some great new idea for it. Sure, you may have to change a few things you've already done, but your new vision decides this is for the better.

Honestly, Bioware are strong enough to hold their own. Their artistic integrity won't be sacrificed because the ending is changed. If they change it, its on their terms how. Contrary to popular belief they're not going to write an ending like an action flick where everything just blows up for no reason [Oh wait...] and everyone comes together happily ever after. More likely they will extend their vision, and synthesise both it and the fans wants into a satisfying ending that doesn't destroy the franchise. Your lack of faith in Bioware to be their own company is somewhat disturbing.

Let's be clear; after all of this if the ending changes significantly it's OBVIOUSLY because of unrelenting pressure from the fans. They actually stood by their work right up until they couldn't, and if it does change now we'll all know why.

Anything beyond building on what is obviously their vision is unacceptable for me. I'll keep repeating this, I don't want you or anyone else influencing the creative process for the people who created this fantastic world. Let the DLC build on the things that were hinted at in the end of the game.

Or they could uphold their integrity and change the ending for those who despise it. 

You don't know what integrity is if you think you should abandon it every time someone complains. 

And its quite clear you don't know what integrity is either if you think Bioware has any.

I think they still have some left, but once the fans steal what's left of it there's no reason to go back to Bioware. 

Exactly how does someone, anyone steal anothers integrity? You either possess this intangible or you do not. Folks can defame you. Lible you. Sure. But No one can take it from you if its part of your inate nature. You can lose it, sell it, give it way....You can even redeem yourself and take pride in your intregrity again.

One can only lose their integrity on their own.

[Sinarion13]

dkear1 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Sesshaku wrote...

I guess i made a mistake, i must have buyed the wrong game and played Mass Especulation 3 instead of Mass Effect 3. Or pehaps you played the wrong series...i mean, the best ending of all ME?

Mind = Blown

First ending in the series where I actually got a little emotional.  That ending was harsh, made me feel something.  Can't say the other 2 did at all. 

Do you even own the other 2?  Your profile isn't showing it.  I am not sure how you didn't dig ME2's ending.  That was EPIC.  I guess everyone has different tastes and all that.

Yeah, ME2 ending was great.

"Human, you change nothing" -- Harby

Thinking back, I think that statement alone shows that Harby alredy knew something about the ending of ME3.

[Gigamantis]

dkear1 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Sesshaku wrote...

I guess i made a mistake, i must have buyed the wrong game and played Mass Especulation 3 instead of Mass Effect 3. Or pehaps you played the wrong series...i mean, the best ending of all ME?

Mind = Blown

First ending in the series where I actually got a little emotional.  That ending was harsh, made me feel something.  Can't say the other 2 did at all. 

Do you even own the other 2?  Your profile isn't showing it.  I am not sure how you didn't dig ME2's ending.  That was EPIC.  I guess everyone has different tastes and all that.

ME2's ending was actually kinda boring.  ME1 was good but I can't say I really got all that emotional.  This is just the first time I actually felt any need to register the game.  I wanted to be able to talk on the forums. 

[gnaag]

I thought the part where you can save the council or have get killed in ME1 was the best part of all the series.

[DubVee12]

Yeah I gotta admit, I enjoyed how Liara and Garrus (squadmates I took on final mission), kinda just left my dying corpse at the conduit, and then ran away with Joker. Oh, I particularly enjoyed how either Garrus (and maybe Tali), or the rest of the crew will likely starve to death.

Modifié par DubVee12, 03 avril 2012 - 04:42 .

[xxskyshadowxx]

Don't insult the guy for liking the endings....envy him. ;D

Buuut question his sanity a bit.

Also, to the original poster....you're not a writer and that's okay....but don't assume that no one else on the forum is a writer.

....okay fine...I'm not a writer officially, but I do get paid $20 an hour by a store to run roleplaying games. My stories are based entirely on player choice/action, which is why I think people come to the games every week (and why I get paid to run 'em hehee). Unoriginal ending and unfullfilled promises aside, I think I have a pretty solid idea as to why the ending doesn't work for many, and why it by far is not the best in the series.

[Keldaurz]

Sinarion13 wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Sesshaku wrote...

I guess i made a mistake, i must have buyed the wrong game and played Mass Especulation 3 instead of Mass Effect 3. Or pehaps you played the wrong series...i mean, the best ending of all ME?

Mind = Blown

First ending in the series where I actually got a little emotional.  That ending was harsh, made me feel something.  Can't say the other 2 did at all. 

Do you even own the other 2?  Your profile isn't showing it.  I am not sure how you didn't dig ME2's ending.  That was EPIC.  I guess everyone has different tastes and all that.

Yeah, ME2 ending was great.

"Human, you change nothing" -- Harby

Thinking back, I think that statement alone shows that Harby alredy knew something about the ending of ME3.

 i am currently starting ME1 again hoping for a free DLC ending (dunno if i can make it tho), and sovereign and harbringer are the most succesful trolls ever.

[Gigamantis]

Exactly how does someone, anyone steal anothers integrity? You either possess this intangible or you do not. Folks can defame you. Lible you. Sure. But No one can take it from you if its part of your inate nature. You can lose it, sell it, give it way....You can even redeem yourself and take pride in your intregrity again.

One can only lose their integrity on their own.

You're really going to make this about semantics. You steal their integrity by forcing them to abandon their artistic vision. It's an expression, obviously integrity is an intangible that can't be physically stolen.

[DxWill103]

Yet again, an OP that says nothing but

The ending was great bioware you rox

At least people who complain about the ending list WHY they don't like it.

[The Night Mammoth]

So this is ultimately about their artistic integrity?

We definitely haven't heard that before.

[Gigamantis]

DxWill103 wrote...

Yet again, an OP that says nothing but

The ending was great bioware you rox

At least people who complain about the ending list WHY they don't like it.

Actually, they don't.  They mainly just call me a troll and say "the ending was crap bioware you sux."  

We all have our opinions. 

So this is ultimately about their artistic integrity?

We definitely haven't heard that before.

It's ultimately about me liking the ending.  I would like Bioware to maintain their integrity, though, mainly because I'd like to continue being a fan and if they start letting you write their stories for them I won't be able to. 

Modifié par Gigamantis, 03 avril 2012 - 04:45 .

[gnaag]

Artistic integrity? didn't use the deus ex ending.