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[FrozenDreamfall]

Watch out,we got an end lover over here.

[count_4]

Gigamantis wrote...
The ending was the most well produced 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC

You, sir, are an idot. Or a troll. In which case you're still an idiot.

Modifié par count_4, 03 avril 2012 - 07:35 .

[Rafe34]

VoodooDrackus wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...


Deus Ex askes you to pick between literally the same three choices at the end, color coded in the exact same way, chosen throught pretty much the same mechanism. 

But hey, at least the plot fit with that. 

Mass Effect? No, not at all. 

You did not even play Deus Ex... which discredits anything you have to say.

Gigamantis, dont listen to people like this who obviously didn't play Deus Ex.
There are 4 choices. They are not color coded. They are not the same choices as in Mass Effect 3. You can either influence the world with the first 3 choices 1. Tell the truth about what was really going on. 2. Pro Augmentation. 3. Anti- Augmentation. or choose to destroy the facility and yourself and Let the future play out.
There is a lot more to those choices and their outcomes. I just list them off so you can see that they are not the same moral choices Shepard has to make.


And really I am surprised you have been reading their trolling posts and respond in a very civil manner. Way to keep your composure.

Way to jump to conclusions based off a false assumption.

Night Mammoth isn't talking about Deus Ex: HR. S/he's talking about the ORIGINAL Deus Ex.

Modifié par Rafe34, 03 avril 2012 - 07:36 .

[fafnir magnus]

I'd love to hear what you actually liked about the ending after the harbinger beam sequence.

Up until that point the game still stays adequate yet mediocre (anyone who calls the earth sequence perfect or best in the series is either completely jaded or had no memory of the last two games, because Illos+Saren kicked the crap out of it, as did the suicide mission in ME2).

So far all I see is unsubstantiated claims that it was, for you, the best in the series. No reasons why, no specification of which part of the ending you're talking about (The definition of the "ending" of ME3 has ranged from -> Strictly the catalyst sequence -> Catalyst and citadel sequence -> earth sequence -> earth&&cerb base sequence -> entire freaking game).

Also, there is absolutely no reason why you'd be forced to go without the endings as they stand right now. Even if Bioware does mimic Bethesda (#3 on my top games companies list I made up when I typed this) and release a broken-steel esque expansion you don't have to download it. Maybe you like the ending, and maybe people liked being told by Fawks that it was his/her destiny to go die in the radiation chamber. Hell if i know, I'm not one of them. At what point does me receiving a new optional ending impact YOUR overall gaming experience? I'm not insisting they make your ending wrong, I'm simply insisting I'm given a divergent ending in consistency with the promises made by bioware writers leading up to the release.

[Billabong2011]

 Excuses Opinions are like armpits... everyone has them and they all stink.

[Quotheraving]

Gigamantis wrote...

Again, some plot-holes aren't the end of the world in what was an otherwise moving and intense ending.  It's about being a fan without being a psychotic about it.  It makes everything much more enjoyable. 

Moving and intense?
If by moving you mean the same as moving bowels and by intense you mean the same as intense annoyance then you are right.

And a few plot holes? The ending was just a succession of them, literally one absurd illogical event after another.

I guess your philosophy is that if you ignore that rank, putrid smell for long enough eventually you get used to it so why get upset about it? Well I'll tell you why, cos it stinks!

Modifié par Quotheraving, 03 avril 2012 - 07:49 .

[Dustin1280]

Guys, in case it isn't perfectly clear:
Gigamantis:
Joined: 2012-02-24
Only has Mass Effect 3 in his profile....

[Peranor]

Troll master Gigamantis is back in da house!

[gnaag]

Well that doesn't say anything because mine just has DA2 and ME3 but i have DA:O and ME1 and ME2. To add to that I still have KOTOR, baldurs gate 1 and 2, planscape torment and nwn.

[Dustin1280]

gnaag wrote...

Well that doesn't say anything because mine just has DA2 and ME3 but i have DA:O and ME1 and ME2. To add to that I still have KOTOR, baldurs gate 1 and 2, planscape torment and nwn.

And yet you created your account in 2009...

The fact that this guy created his account only a couple months ago, and ONLY has ME3 on his account topped off with the fact that he has yet to actually defend his opinion, he just writes everything off or insults people.

Makes him VERY VERY suspect...

Modifié par Dustin1280, 03 avril 2012 - 08:00 .

[gnaag]

eeer 2009 2 days after you by the looks of it

Well there is that just don't want to jump to conclusions

Modifié par gnaag, 03 avril 2012 - 08:01 .

[Mandemon]

Dustin1280 wrote...

Guys, in case it isn't perfectly clear:
Gigamantis:
Joined: 2012-02-24
Only has Mass Effect 3 in his profile....

And no Galaxy at War data either.

[Dustin1280]

Oh yeah, he also has the PS3 version which makes it even worse for him...

[VoodooDrackus]

DanteImprimis wrote...

VoodooDrackus wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...


Deus Ex askes you to pick between literally the same three choices at the end, color coded in the exact same way, chosen throught pretty much the same mechanism. 

But hey, at least the plot fit with that. 

Mass Effect? No, not at all. 

You did not even play Deus Ex... which discredits anything you have to say.

Gigamantis, dont listen to people like this who obviously didn't play Deus Ex.
There are 4 choices. They are not color coded. They are not the same choices as in Mass Effect 3. You can either influence the world with the first 3 choices 1. Tell the truth about what was really going on. 2. Pro Augmentation. 3. Anti- Augmentation. or choose to destroy the facility and yourself and Let the future play out.
There is a lot more to those choices and their outcomes. I just list them off so you can see that they are not the same moral choices Shepard has to make.


And really I am surprised you have been reading their trolling posts and respond in a very civil manner. Way to keep your composure.

They're talking about the original Deus Ex, not Human Revolution.

Oh are they? Yes the original Deus Ex had 3 color choices. ... oh wait it didn't.
And they were not chosen using the same mechanism.
JC did not sacrifice himself with either choice. The implications for the choices are not the same as they are in Mass Effect.

1. you join the Illuminati and rule the world through a compassionate conspiracy. That is not the same thing as controlling the reapers by merging with them.
2. you merge with Helios, the AI, and rule the world as a benevolent machine. That is not the same thing as changing all life everywhere to be both synthetic and organic in a single DNA.
3. You decide to return to a time with limited government and an era of no global communications by destroying the facility and everything in it, hindering the rise of the Illuminati back to power. This choice is kind of similar, sort of in the sense you are putting something back to a state before that existed before, but not really.

To use those 3 choices as the exact same choices in Mass Effect 3 is ludicrous. The only real similarities lie in the fact that there are 3 choices. And even in Mass Effect 3 you could just end up with 1, 2 or 3 depending on your EMS rating.
 They do not have the same impact as in Mass Effect 3. You can argue that they are kind of similar... but at that point you are using any excuse to bash the writers of Mass Effect.

[Dustin1280]

 You are a troll so I am sure you will ignore this, but here are only SOME of the issues that we have with the ending.

The endings are the same

LOGICAL Breakdown of many of the plotholes

"Art" & Mass Effect 3

5 Reasons the fans are right

And that is only about 1/3 of the good articles out there...

Edit:
Come to think of it, I don't think i have seen ONE good article about why the ending actually works.  By all means enlighten me if you can find a few...

Edit 2:  Can't wait for him to outright ignore this post, or just dismiss it for some silly reason.

Modifié par Dustin1280, 03 avril 2012 - 08:30 .

[Ossborn76]

The ending was not only the worst ending of the series, it was the worst ending of a game I ever witnessed im my whole gaming carreer... which is about 25 years now

[Hendrik.III]

Ossborn76 wrote...

The ending was not only the worst ending of the series, it was the worst ending of a game I ever witnessed im my whole gaming carreer... which is about 25 years now

Same here. 

Most unsatisfying gaming experience ever... and I've played some sh*tty games over the years.

[DanteImprimis]

VoodooDrackus wrote...

DanteImprimis wrote...

VoodooDrackus wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...


Deus Ex askes you to pick between literally the same three choices at the end, color coded in the exact same way, chosen throught pretty much the same mechanism. 

But hey, at least the plot fit with that. 

Mass Effect? No, not at all. 

You did not even play Deus Ex... which discredits anything you have to say.

Gigamantis, dont listen to people like this who obviously didn't play Deus Ex.
There are 4 choices. They are not color coded. They are not the same choices as in Mass Effect 3. You can either influence the world with the first 3 choices 1. Tell the truth about what was really going on. 2. Pro Augmentation. 3. Anti- Augmentation. or choose to destroy the facility and yourself and Let the future play out.
There is a lot more to those choices and their outcomes. I just list them off so you can see that they are not the same moral choices Shepard has to make.


And really I am surprised you have been reading their trolling posts and respond in a very civil manner. Way to keep your composure.

They're talking about the original Deus Ex, not Human Revolution.

Oh are they? Yes the original Deus Ex had 3 color choices. ... oh wait it didn't.
And they were not chosen using the same mechanism.
JC did not sacrifice himself with either choice. The implications for the choices are not the same as they are in Mass Effect.

1. you join the Illuminati and rule the world through a compassionate conspiracy. That is not the same thing as controlling the reapers by merging with them.
2. you merge with Helios, the AI, and rule the world as a benevolent machine. That is not the same thing as changing all life everywhere to be both synthetic and organic in a single DNA.
3. You decide to return to a time with limited government and an era of no global communications by destroying the facility and everything in it, hindering the rise of the Illuminati back to power. This choice is kind of similar, sort of in the sense you are putting something back to a state before that existed before, but not really.

To use those 3 choices as the exact same choices in Mass Effect 3 is ludicrous. The only real similarities lie in the fact that there are 3 choices. And even in Mass Effect 3 you could just end up with 1, 2 or 3 depending on your EMS rating.
 They do not have the same impact as in Mass Effect 3. You can argue that they are kind of similar... but at that point you are using any excuse to bash the writers of Mass Effect.

I remember the endings of Deus Ex, thanks.

No one is trying to seriously argue that they are literally "the exact same choices as Mass Effect 3." That's obviously not the case -- only one of the two games has Reapers, and only one has J.C. Denton. That's not the point. What is being argued is that Mass Effect 3's three end choices are functionally identical to those in Deus Ex -- thus the accusations of ME3 lazily ripping off Deus Ex. You said it yourself in your descriptions: the choices in both games are control (the world or the Reapers), synthesis (organic-synthetic in both cases), or destroy (wiping out modern civilization's critical technologies in both cases).

To be completely honest, I'm not really sure how you went through the process of typing up those summaries of the endings without seeing the very clear similarities to ME3, but you're entitled to your opinion.

[sargon1986]

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

Wow, how can we stand against that kind of argument... You know how can someone tell the difference between a forum troll and a sincere player that actually really liked the ending? A troll instead of saying that he liked the ending and why writes a post in a provokative manner that the ending was best in the series, without ANY arguments to support that claim. Also I find it funny that you admit the ending is full of plotholes and yet you say its best in the series.

So, why did you like the endings? Can you at least answer that? I dont think so, troll.

[Ultra Prism]

whatever you say doesn't change the fact Bioware pulll horrible ending that didn't fit flow and theme of stories from ME1 to ME3 ... so I against the endings until Bioware tells me something worth being fan of ME series again

[cutegigi]

im in here just for the lulz
And this thread delivers.
kudos to the OP.

[Aetika]

You are trying too hard, OP. 

Modifié par Aetika, 03 avril 2012 - 09:29 .

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Gigamantis wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

No, thank you for proving my point. You came up with the most horrendous, uncreative, cliched way to possibly end the game and still managed to do a better job than the developers in charge of this five year series. It's not really a compliment, to you or to them. Your ending sucks. It's just that Bioware's sucks substantially more, which is itself an indication of the ending's lack of quality. If a fan can pull out a better idea from his butt with barely a minute's worth of thought, that says alot about what the devs accomplished.

I didn't prove anything.  I made an uncreative ending and you loved it.  Bioware made a moving and intense ending and it wasn't inane enough for you.  This is why you shouldn't be trusted to gauge creativity, because you thought my ending was creative.  You thought Bioware should hire me because my ending is the one you wanted to see. 

You have silly taste if you liked my ending.  You would write a bad story. 

Did you miss the part where I outright told you that your ending sucks? I realize that reading comprehension can sometimes be difficult on the internet, but I would assume that if you were going to bother replying at all, you would at least bother to read the actual post.

Hell, I wasn't even being subtle about it. Do you take it as a compliment if someone tells you that your writing is slightly better than crap? If so, you have my deepest sympathies.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 03 avril 2012 - 10:03 .

[Lugaidster]

Gigamantis wrote...

I can't honestly think of many games, or stories in general, that didn't have some plot-holes. To let it ruin the entire game for you is beyond my ability as a rational person to comprehend. I actually feel bad for you all.

Doesn't matter, I legitimately enjoyed the entire game, ending included, and felt like interjecting some positivity. You people can continue being dramatic and starting "online movements" if it makes you lives more bearable.

I LOLed at that. The OP is nothing but name-calling and patronizing speech. I'm not seeing the positive side of it, furthermore, although I respect your opinion, you aren't really saying anything aside from the fact that it's great for you. So I don't see how your "interjection" actually does anything other than to stir up the pot.

I find it interesting, however, that you lack the imagination to fathom people that got the experience ruined by the ending and then you enjoyed having to imagine the end to the story.

In case you want to know why I don't like the ending: It's a cop-out and all the ending-lovers I've heard or read seem to validate my point. "It's too hard to fill all the plotholes", "they are not perfect", "People weren't going to be satisfied anyway", etc. You might as well don't try if you're going to enter the fight thinking you're defeated. They could've done better, *much* better, and the series deserved it.

[Venturisection]

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

I didn't feel any emotion at all when I got hit by the laser other than "This is some kind of joke.... omg no this is the ending? This drivel?"

So no it was not well produced and was completely devoid of emotion. It was so disconnected that I could not relate to the scene that played out at all as I felt I had seen it a thousand times already in plenty of other Sci fi series and movies. Totally unoriginal and totally chaotic What a disaster. Deus Ex Machina plot devices should never be refered to as clever they are stupid.