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[Gigamantis]

Mandemon wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

If and when your squad mates did die it was very anti-climatic and, like I said, boring.  I'm also pretty sure it was possible for most everyone to survive.  Not even a fraction of the emotional weight in ME3.  Sorry, the ending sucked.

In ME2 everyone could get the ending they wanted if they worked it right.  That's why no one got pissy.  If they did release a flowers and rainbows ending to ME3 I'm pretty sure a lot of the complaining would go away.

The rest of your details could be easily explained away in DLC or even just assumed.  Explanations would be fun and we'll probably get them, BUT YOU'RE OVERREACTING.

Anti-climatic? You mean tech specialist dying when he can't close the door correctly and gets shot trying to close it? You mean when one of your squad mates is forcibly taken by seeker swarms?

Also, they only survive if you work for their survival. Just blazing trough the game with to no regard to Nromandy or her crew makes them dead. When Collectors took your crew you have only 1 mission before they are liquified, most likely the Legion loyalty mission.

ME2 had more emotional impact that ME3. Tell me, how does the ME3 brings better climax? Trough space magic? Finding lost Reaper off-switch? Which, BTW, Hudson said there wouldn't be except it is here.

Finally, go ahead and assume thins for me. Explain to me why those plot holes that I gave can be explained. Because so far, I have heard no good explanation. If DLC, a paid DLC, is required to understand the game then we were sold half-finished game, we were cheated.

How am I over-reaction, BTW? By demanding better ending? I demand better ending because Mass Effect as a series deserves better.

The squadmate deaths in ME2 were quick, standard, BORING and made irrelevant by the fact that you could save everyone.  The ending was boring and a few squad members dying for atmosphere, if you let them, doesn't save it. 

In ME3 Shepard has some extremely heavy handed options in the end, and all of them have very emotionally taxing consequences.  The choice at the end was difficult to make and the result either way was very sad to watch.  That ending had emotional weight.  ME2 with it's "meh, a few squadies might die" was nothing.  

As for your plotholes, they can explain sovereign by revealing anything about the catalysts intentions during the first game.  You didn't see anything your squad mates were doing during that last sequence, so where they ended up is moot.  Where did the Normandy crash land?  They could just tell us where.  Did the relay destruction do collateral damage?  Maybe, not to hard to explain what damage that caused if they want to include it.  The relays may have been disabled a different way this time.  These are all EASY to explain.  

Wanting furthor explanation is fine.  Wanting them to change the ending is just you being childish.  You should be better than that. 

Modifié par Gigamantis, 03 avril 2012 - 02:26 .

[Mr Indivisible]

Gigamantis wrote..

Wanting furthor explanation is fine.  Wanting them to change the ending is just you being childish.  You should be better than that. 

You sir, are a troll. Why? Because you insist that your opinion on the series is correct, everyone else is wrong and childish to boot. 

While it may not be a majority, there is a large portion of people that are genuinely unhappy with the ending, good that you are, if Bioware can make them happy its better for you too (more happy customers = more/better games).

You should be better then that.

[Gigamantis]

sargon1986 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

Wow, how can we stand against that kind of argument... You know how can someone tell the difference between a forum troll and a sincere player that actually really liked the ending? A troll instead of saying that he liked the ending and why writes a post in a provokative manner that the ending was best in the series, without ANY arguments to support that claim. Also I find it funny that you admit the ending is full of plotholes and yet you say its best in the series.

So, why did you like the endings? Can you at least answer that? I dont think so, troll.

I've given plenty of reasons why this ending is the best in the series, but it's all ultimately my opinion.  The funny thing about you people is that most of you can't make your own points and just quote articles other people wrote.  It makes me believe none of you even understood the ending enough to form your own opinions and are just going with the crowd. 

I've been responding to people who make real points and having a somewhat amiable discussion with them.  The rest of you have just been trolling my thread by, ironically, calling me a troll and offering nothing else. 

[Gigamantis]

Mr Indivisible wrote...

Gigamantis wrote..

Wanting furthor explanation is fine.  Wanting them to change the ending is just you being childish.  You should be better than that. 

You sir, are a troll. Why? Because you insist that your opinion on the series is correct, everyone else is wrong and childish to boot. 

While it may not be a majority, there is a large portion of people that are genuinely unhappy with the ending, good that you are, if Bioware can make them happy its better for you too (more happy customers = more/better games).

You should be better then that.

I'm not saying anyone has to like the ending.  I'm saying that you're not the writers so you thinking it's your place to write the ending is just entitled, bratty behavior.  There are a lot of games that, in my opinion, had horrible endings.  I didn't start online movements to change the endings, though, because I'm not some child who thinks everything is about me.  I can have a creative disagreement with an artist but still enjoy his work.  

[AnthonyDraft]

Well, you're in minority......

[Gigamantis]

AnthonyDraft wrote...

Well, you're in minority......

Of the people talking about the game online I'm in the minority.  Of the millions and millions who don't participate in forum polls who knows. 

I just read that Bioware doesn't plan on providing new ending DLC so I'm happy, even if most of the people on this forum aren't.  Yay me!

[xztr]

Just no

[sargon1986]

Gigamantis wrote...

I've given plenty of reasons why this ending is the best in the series, but it's all ultimately my opinion.  The funny thing about you people is that most of you can't make your own points and just quote articles other people wrote.  It makes me believe none of you even understood the ending enough to form your own opinions and are just going with the crowd. 

I've been responding to people who make real points and having a somewhat amiable discussion with them.  The rest of you have just been trolling my thread by, ironically, calling me a troll and offering nothing else. 

I thought that at this point, after thousands of threads created explaining why the ending sucks, everyone would know why we  think it does. Plenty of reasons? Where? No - you just stated that the ending is the best in the series and that we shouldn't complain. You did not present any valid arguments to support your claim at all. Also your post did suggest that instead of wanting engage in a constructive debate with the community, you wish to directly attack them instead by saying they're all wrong. Therefore do not be surprised everyone calls you a troll. If you think that everyone else have a different opinion than you because they don't understand something about the ending then to me it is nothing but ignorance.

Oh I did understand the ending. I am a fan of Mass Effect since 2007, finished every game multiple times so if you want me to say why do I think the endings are bad, here you go:
1. They are inconsistent with the rest of the story.
2. They do not make any sense.
3. Decisions in the past 3 games do not matter.
4. Plotholes.
5. Lack of closure.

Modifié par sargon1986, 03 avril 2012 - 02:55 .

[GerojSvK]

Damn trolls popping out of nowhere on BSN these past few days.

[acenanx]

Eyeshield21 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

I can't honestly think of many games, or stories in general, that didn't have some plot-holes. To let it ruin the entire game for you is beyond my ability as a rational person to comprehend. I actually feel bad for you all.

Doesn't matter, I legitimately enjoyed the entire game, ending included, and felt like interjecting some positivity. You people can continue being dramatic and starting "online movements" if it makes you lives more bearable.

which one did you pick, buddy?

i just had a heart attack hahahaha

[Christianswe]

What??

[Gigamantis]

sargon1986 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

I've given plenty of reasons why this ending is the best in the series, but it's all ultimately my opinion.  The funny thing about you people is that most of you can't make your own points and just quote articles other people wrote.  It makes me believe none of you even understood the ending enough to form your own opinions and are just going with the crowd. 

I've been responding to people who make real points and having a somewhat amiable discussion with them.  The rest of you have just been trolling my thread by, ironically, calling me a troll and offering nothing else. 

I thought that at this point, after thousands of threads created explaining why the ending sucks, everyone would know why we  think it does. Plenty of reasons? Where? No - you just stated that the ending is the best in the series and that we shouldn't complain. You did not present any valid arguments to support your claim at all. Also your post did suggest that instead of wanting engage in a constructive debate with the community, you wish to directly attack them instead by saying they're all wrong. Therefore do not be surprised everyone calls you a troll. If you think that everyone else have a different opinion than you because they don't understand something about the ending then to me it is nothing but ignorance.

Oh I did understand the ending. I am a fan of Mass Effect since 2007, finished every game multiple times so if you want me to say why do I think the endings are bad, here you go:
1. They are inconsistent with the rest of the story.
2. They do not make any sense.
3. Decisions in the past 3 games do not matter.
4. Plotholes.
5. Lack of closure.

1. Give more detail.  The catalyst wasn't inconsistent with anything, he just didn't have proper foundation before being introduced. 

2. Again, the catalyst is the only thing that's confusing about the ending, but ANY supplemental information about him could tie the story up pretty well.  

3. They all mattered right up until the end and I never expected this story to have a happy ending, honestly.  

4. Again, need more details unless you're only talking about the catalyst.

5. Lingering questions aside the ending was pretty decisive.  It definitely closed off the series and did it well. 

Modifié par Gigamantis, 03 avril 2012 - 03:08 .

[dorktainian]

oh dear...

[AlexXIV]

The troll, why feed him?

[Gigamantis]

AlexXIV wrote...

The troll, why feed him?

It's hilarious that this is all the people who are against the ending seem to have in defense of their opinion.  I appreciate you; you make me feel vindicated in my own opinion. 

Modifié par Gigamantis, 03 avril 2012 - 03:09 .

[Sp3c7eR]

Disagree with the OP. I think it was the worst in the series. Unless Bioware change it to actually make sense, they've lost me as a customer.

[CaliGuy033]

This go-to move of calling him a "troll" says a lot more about the responders and the lack of substance to their position than the OP.

Modifié par CaliGuy033, 03 avril 2012 - 03:14 .

[jla0644]

Gigamantis wrote...

The squadmate deaths in ME2 were quick, standard, BORING and made irrelevant by the fact that you could save everyone.  The ending was boring and a few squad members dying for atmosphere, if you let them, doesn't save it. 

In ME3 Shepard has some extremely heavy handed options in the end, and all of them have very emotionally taxing consequences.  The choice at the end was difficult to make and the result either way was very sad to watch.  That ending had emotional weight.  ME2 with it's "meh, a few squadies might die" was nothing.  

As for your plotholes, they can explain sovereign by revealing anything about the catalysts intentions during the first game.  You didn't see anything your squad mates were doing during that last sequence, so where they ended up is moot.  Where did the Normandy crash land?  They could just tell us where.  Did the relay destruction do collateral damage?  Maybe, not to hard to explain what damage that caused if they want to include it.  The relays may have been disabled a different way this time.  These are all EASY to explain.  

Wanting furthor explanation is fine.  Wanting them to change the ending is just you being childish.  You should be better than that. 

Really? You found that entire ridiculous scene had "emotional weight"? My reaction was more like, "are you kidding me with this crap?". I had no trouble making a decision, I just wanted to get it over with.

The scene on Rannoch was emotional, it was difficult deciding between Legion and the Geth and Tali and the Quarians (even tho I made peace between them I didn't know it was going to turn out that way). The scene on Tuchanka can be incredibly difficult to get through, depending on what you chose to do. But either way, curing the genophage or lying about it, Mordin dying a hero or dying from your bullet in his back -- all very, very well done. Thane's death scene, again, very well done.

The ending did not come close to matching these moments in terms of emotional impact. I can't understand how the same team that wrote Tuchanaka and Rannoch, also came up with those endings

Modifié par jla0644, 03 avril 2012 - 03:17 .

[Mann42]

gekko513 wrote...
Why do you think the Reapers come along every 50000 years? If you think about it, the Geth situation would explain that perfectly. It all points to the Reapers starting out exactly like the Geth. They were created, then attacked, and then repeatedly attacked by organics, like the Geth have been now twice.

The Reapers have even chosen exile/isolation, just like the Geth. And just like the Geth, the reapers only come out and fight just as the organics are approaching at the stages in organic civilization where they are starting to become advanced enough to pose a threat to them.

The Reapers, just like the Geth, want peace, synthesis, but they don't know how to obtain it, and reach out to the organics to find that understanding.

This post is filled with assumptions that were never explained in the game. The only thing we know for certain is that the Reapers are trying to save organic life by killing all of them and turning them into Reapers. There is nothing that points to the beginning of the Reapers other than a holographic star-child that claims the Reapers are part of him and his solution. There is no reason to believe they started like the geth, or that their reaping has anything to do with the potential threat posed to them by organics. They only state it is their goal to protect organics from the threat of synthetics. 

Everything you said about the Reapers motivations, and how they parellel the geth, you just made up, in your head, like right now. 

Until this is explained in the game, all you are writing is fan fic.

Modifié par nexworks, 03 avril 2012 - 03:17 .

[spartan5127]

Gigamantis wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

The troll, why feed him?

It's hilarious that this is all the people who are against the ending seem to have in defense of their opinion.  I appreciate you; you make me feel vindicated in my own opinion. 

Or they are just tired of repeating themselves.  If you want the actual argument, it is extremely easy to find as there is a mountain of written essays and videos on the topic.

0/10 - better luck next time.

[eVelocity]

Gigamantis wrote...
 It's not over yet, skippy. 

How isn't it over yet lol? I mean they basically limited the DLC to pre-ending DLC.

[leapingmonkeys]

I'm happy for you that the singular ending of ME3 was to your taste.

Here's the rub - you are not the only person who played ME3.

ME3 was supposed to have *multiple* endings that would reflect the decisions made by the player during the ME games. That means that a singular ending cannot, by definition, be sufficient for ME3. Its needs to have multiple, distinct endings in order to satisfy the decisions and play styles of *all* the players, not just those that wanted a nihilistic ending.

That is the problem with ME3 - it promised to meet the needs of the many but only meet the needs of one particular group.

[CaliGuy033]

spartan5127 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

The troll, why feed him?

It's hilarious that this is all the people who are against the ending seem to have in defense of their opinion.  I appreciate you; you make me feel vindicated in my own opinion. 

Or they are just tired of repeating themselves.  If you want the actual argument, it is extremely easy to find as there is a mountain of written essays and videos on the topic.

0/10 - better luck next time.

First, those essays and videos are garbage.  Even the "good" ones.  The Forbes guy is especially shortsighted and obtuse.

Second, people aren't that "tired of repeating themselves" if they're coming in here to call the OP a troll, like they've done in countless other threads.  What you mean to say is that they're tired of experiencing opposition to their viewpoint, so instead of actually defending it, they take the easy way out.

[FJVP]

Gigamantis wrote...

The squadmate deaths in ME2 were quick, standard, BORING and made irrelevant by the fact that you could save everyone.  The ending was boring and a few squad members dying for atmosphere, if you let them, doesn't save it. 

In ME3 Shepard has some extremely heavy handed options in the end, and all of them have very emotionally taxing consequences.  The choice at the end was difficult to make and the result either way was very sad to watch.  That ending had emotional weight.  ME2 with it's "meh, a few squadies might die" was nothing.  

As for your plotholes, they can explain sovereign by revealing anything about the catalysts intentions during the first game.  You didn't see anything your squad mates were doing during that last sequence, so where they ended up is moot.  Where did the Normandy crash land?  They could just tell us where.  Did the relay destruction do collateral damage?  Maybe, not to hard to explain what damage that caused if they want to include it.  The relays may have been disabled a different way this time.  These are all EASY to explain.  

Wanting furthor explanation is fine.  Wanting them to change the ending is just you being childish.  You should be better than that.

Why? Just why? Why is demanding for what you were promised chilish? If people really felt offended by it they have every right to complain about it, whether BW decides to change the ending or not is up to them. But you have no right to tell poeple to shut up about their opinions, just like I'm not calling you a troll and telling you to GTFO. Respect where it's due please.

Gigamantis wrote...

Of the people talking about the game online I'm in the minority.  Of the millions and millions who don't participate in forum polls who knows.  

I just read that Bioware doesn't plan on providing new ending DLC so I'm happy, even if most of the people on this forum aren't.  Yay me! 

 

Source please? I'm pretty sure if such an announcent had been made the forums would be burning right now. And stop acting so smug, it doesn't make you cool or anything.

[Militarized]

Well I'm glad you enjoyed your lack of narrative coherence, metaphysical civilization reset button that is both contrived and cliche but a majority of us seem to dislike asinine, inept story telling.