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[AlexXIV]

Gigamantis wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

The troll, why feed him?

It's hilarious that this is all the people who are against the ending seem to have in defense of their opinion.  I appreciate you; you make me feel vindicated in my own opinion. 

All I come up with I have posted in numerous threads over the last 3 weeks. Where have you been all the time. You stumble here like hundret others without a clue what we are talking about, and you live in denial judging by your posts. You don't deserve an answer tbh, not anymore. Not since hundrets others like have been told that they were wrong. I don't even feel like I WANT to explain it anymore to people who cannot see the problems themselves. It's like lecturing children, and I'd only do that to mine.

The game has no closure because you only know what happens to a hand full of people. The ones leaving the Normandy, Anderson and Shepard. The rest ... may or may not have died or surived. The ending is illogical because the starchild's reasoning is flawed. They built Reapers to prevent synthetics to wipe out organics by wiping out organics and never even providing something of a proof or reason why AIs are eventually destorying all organic life. There is nothing, just deep dark space to back up the solution or the reason for it. It breaks with lore and plot because suddenly you end up with a magic gun that can change creation itself. The crucible shoots a beam or something that somehow hits every organic and synthetic in the world and turns it into a mixture of organic and metal. Have you even seen anything anorganic that does possess a DNA or can even grow? How will you birth a cyborg? Cyborgs have always, in even any fiction I know been organics who have had their organic parts replaced with cybernetics, never have I heard such BS that someone is born a cyborg. Please, it can't get dumber from here and you think that's awesome? And why, if something of a merge between synthetics and organics would be possible, has there never been a race? They could have spared them, you know. Also, in any ending there is nothing to keep you from creating new synthetics eventually and just start over the whole mess.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 03 avril 2012 - 03:30 .

[JudgeOverdose]

This thread is a troll and a half; here is someone with all the time in the world to respond to what everyone says to him, but claims that others need to get a life. This thread was created knowing what the reaction would be, and it was done to get attention. If you don't bother to respond to it, and do not continue to bump it, you win, because the OP just wants attention and doesn't care if it is positive or negative; in point of fact, his words betray the fact that he was counting on negative attention.
No one paying attention to (or responding to) this post will aggravate him more than anything, regardless of any of his claims to the contrary.

[AlexXIV]

JudgeOverdose wrote...

This thread is a troll and a half; here is someone with all the time in the world to respond to what everyone says to him, but claims that others need to get a life. This thread was created knowing what the reaction would be, and it was done to get attention. If you don't bother to respond to it, and do not continue to bump it, you win, because the OP just wants attention and doesn't care if it is positive or negative; in point of fact, his words betray the fact that he was counting on negative attention.
No one paying attention to (or responding to) this post will aggravate him more than anything, regardless of any of his claims to the contrary.

I've said that myself. But there is no chance. Too many people will bump it anyway.

[eVelocity]

AlexXIV wrote...
I've said that myself. But there is no chance. Too many people will bump it anyway.

Like you just did... twice?

[XTR3M3]

OP has a right to their opinion. don't make the rest of us look bad by trying to tear them down. personal tastes vary and there is bound to be people that like the ending in the amount of copies of this game sold.

I agree that this thread was probably started to start a flame war but I have seen plenty other threads from our side do the same thing. If ours shouldn't be closed, neither should this one.

hold the line.

[AlexXIV]

eVelocity wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
I've said that myself. But there is no chance. Too many people will bump it anyway.

Like you just did... twice?

This thread is already on page 15. If the first people would not have replied it'd be gone long ago, like it should be.

[The Night Mammoth]

Gigamantis wrote...

sargon1986 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

I've given plenty of reasons why this ending is the best in the series, but it's all ultimately my opinion.  The funny thing about you people is that most of you can't make your own points and just quote articles other people wrote.  It makes me believe none of you even understood the ending enough to form your own opinions and are just going with the crowd. 

I've been responding to people who make real points and having a somewhat amiable discussion with them.  The rest of you have just been trolling my thread by, ironically, calling me a troll and offering nothing else. 

I thought that at this point, after thousands of threads created explaining why the ending sucks, everyone would know why we  think it does. Plenty of reasons? Where? No - you just stated that the ending is the best in the series and that we shouldn't complain. You did not present any valid arguments to support your claim at all. Also your post did suggest that instead of wanting engage in a constructive debate with the community, you wish to directly attack them instead by saying they're all wrong. Therefore do not be surprised everyone calls you a troll. If you think that everyone else have a different opinion than you because they don't understand something about the ending then to me it is nothing but ignorance.

Oh I did understand the ending. I am a fan of Mass Effect since 2007, finished every game multiple times so if you want me to say why do I think the endings are bad, here you go:
1. They are inconsistent with the rest of the story.
2. They do not make any sense.
3. Decisions in the past 3 games do not matter.
4. Plotholes.
5. Lack of closure.

1. Give more detail.  The catalyst wasn't inconsistent with anything, he just didn't have proper foundation before being introduced.  

It tries to tell you that a resolved sub-plot is actually the primary one. Synthetics vs. Organics was dealt with and discarded, suddenly bringing it up again is inconsistent. 

2. Again, the catalyst is the only thing that's confusing about the ending, but ANY supplemental information about him could tie the story up pretty well.  

I'm confused about pretty much everything. Like how Synthesis solves any problems without elimating diversity, the very thing the game repeatedly tells you is good. 

3. They all mattered right up until the end and I never expected this story to have a happy ending, honestly.  

They somewhat counted towards the War Asset system, but that ended up being completely arbitrary. 

Having a 'happy' ending is perfectly fitting as one of many eventualities. 

4. Again, need more details unless you're only talking about the catalyst.

Anderson making it to the control pad before you despite entering the lift after Shepard, taking the same route, whilst not being seen once. 
The Catalyst's existence throws the need of Sovereign and the entire plot of ME1 into dubious territory. 
Your squad dying in Harbinger's attack, then teleporting aboard the Normandy. 
The Normandy's actual escape, how it is feasible.
The Normandy's crash on a planet that can't exist. 
The Relay's exploding, which apparently causes a supernova. 

5. Lingering questions aside the ending was pretty decisive.  It definitely closed off the series and did it well. 

That's............. Such a grating thing to read. It's completely ambiguous, not a single person's fate is certain except of Shepard's (unless you chose destroy),  the Final Hours app even tells us they wanted speculation, so no, they did not close of the series by any stretch of the imagination. 

[Gigamantis]

The game has no closure because you only know what happens to a hand full of people. The ones leaving the Normandy, Anderson and Shepard. The rest ... may or may not have died or surived. The ending is illogical because the starchild's reasoning is flawed. They built Reapers to prevent synthetics to wipe out organics by wiping out organics and never even providing something of a proof or reason why AIs are eventually destorying all organic life. There is nothing, just deep dark space to back up the solution or the reason for it. It breaks with lore and plot because suddenly you end up with a magic gun that can change creation itself. The crucible shoots a beam or something that somehow hits every organic and synthetic in the world and turns it into a mixture of organic and metal. Have you even seen anything anorganic that does possess a DNA or can even grow? How will you birth a cyborg? Cyborgs have always, in even any fiction I know been organics who have had their organic parts replaced with cybernetics, never have I heard such BS that someone is born a cyborg. Please, it can't get dumber from here and you think that's awesome? And why, if something of a merge between synthetics and organics would be possible, has there never been a race? They could have spared them, you know. Also, in any ending there is nothing to keep you from creating new synthetics eventually and just start over the whole mess.

Yes, I know and have addressed all of this in this very thread.  Leaving open-ended questions is just a device and a creative decision. 

As for your points about the catalyst and the effects of the crucible being different than anything we've seen in the game, all I can say is no kidding.  These elements weren't interacted with throughout the entire series and once they were in number 3 it turned out they had "new science" implications on the entire ME universe.  There's nothing wrong with that, the only problem is the lack of foundation for introducing these new elements, which isn't even a story-telling flaw.  Leaving things open for future interpretation is just a device.

Also, the prospect of new synthetics being created anyways is addressed by the catalyst in the ending so it's not an oversite. 

[spartan5127]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

spartan5127 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

The troll, why feed him?

It's hilarious that this is all the people who are against the ending seem to have in defense of their opinion.  I appreciate you; you make me feel vindicated in my own opinion. 

Or they are just tired of repeating themselves.  If you want the actual argument, it is extremely easy to find as there is a mountain of written essays and videos on the topic.

0/10 - better luck next time.

First, those essays and videos are garbage.  Even the "good" ones.  The Forbes guy is especially shortsighted and obtuse.

Second, people aren't that "tired of repeating themselves" if they're coming in here to call the OP a troll, like they've done in countless other threads.  What you mean to say is that they're tired of experiencing opposition to their viewpoint, so instead of actually defending it, they take the easy way out.

There's a difference between repeating arguments and repeating " ___ out of 10".  Perhaps I'll be more clear. People are tired or putting effort into typing out long responces that can be easily found elsewhere.

As for your first point, you need to explain a bit more because that bit of argumentation is not easily available (not the reasons some enjoy the endings, but why the analysis in the essays and videos themselves are lacking in a coherent and logical sense).  I'll need a little more than a blanket statement about the opposing arguments and mistrust of Forbes.

[AlexXIV]

Gigamantis wrote...

The game has no closure because you only know what happens to a hand full of people. The ones leaving the Normandy, Anderson and Shepard. The rest ... may or may not have died or surived. The ending is illogical because the starchild's reasoning is flawed. They built Reapers to prevent synthetics to wipe out organics by wiping out organics and never even providing something of a proof or reason why AIs are eventually destorying all organic life. There is nothing, just deep dark space to back up the solution or the reason for it. It breaks with lore and plot because suddenly you end up with a magic gun that can change creation itself. The crucible shoots a beam or something that somehow hits every organic and synthetic in the world and turns it into a mixture of organic and metal. Have you even seen anything anorganic that does possess a DNA or can even grow? How will you birth a cyborg? Cyborgs have always, in even any fiction I know been organics who have had their organic parts replaced with cybernetics, never have I heard such BS that someone is born a cyborg. Please, it can't get dumber from here and you think that's awesome? And why, if something of a merge between synthetics and organics would be possible, has there never been a race? They could have spared them, you know. Also, in any ending there is nothing to keep you from creating new synthetics eventually and just start over the whole mess.

Yes, I know and have addressed all of this in this very thread.  Leaving open-ended questions is just a device and a creative decision. 

As for your points about the catalyst and the effects of the crucible being different than anything we've seen in the game, all I can say is no kidding.  These elements weren't interacted with throughout the entire series and once they were in number 3 it turned out they had "new science" implications on the entire ME universe.  There's nothing wrong with that, the only problem is the lack of foundation for introducing these new elements, which isn't even a story-telling flaw.  Leaving things open for future interpretation is just a device.

Also, the prospect of new synthetics being created anyways is addressed by the catalyst in the ending so it's not an oversite. 

According to this they could have introduced a race of cartoon characters, Bugs Bunny, Duffy Duck, Micky Mouse, etc. who are actually controlling the reapers to have a fun party. Without ever explaining where they come from and why and how it is possible. If you don't see this as a problem then I guess I know why you don't see a problem but the majority of the people do. I don't think you know alot about writing or story telling in genral or you wouldn't say things like this. Do you think EVERYONE can write something that doesn't make sense and not even try to explain it just to declare it is subject for speculation? This kind of thing works for Family Guy, Simpsons, South Park, Drawn Together, etc, etc. maybe because they make fun of everything. For Mass Effect it is more then just unfitting, it is ridiculous. I don't doubt that they TRIED to be ambigious or whatever, leaving things open for speculation. But then you have to do better than this. Also you are dodging most of my questions. I guess I don't need to ask why?

[Gigamantis]

It tries to tell you that a resolved sub-plot is actually the primary one. Synthetics vs. Organics was dealt with and discarded, suddenly bringing it up again is inconsistent.

No it isn't. The reapers were also a conflict with synthetics and apparently that conflict was the over-arching problem. Just because one conflict with synthetics was resolved they can't ever reintroduce it? That's just silly.

I'm confused about pretty much everything. Like how Synthesis solves any problems without elimating diversity, the very thing the game repeatedly tells you is good.

It does eliminate diversity, but I think the point of the ending was that there was really no good solution.

They somewhat counted towards the War Asset system, but that ended up being completely arbitrary.

Having a 'happy' ending is perfectly fitting as one of many eventualities.

You wanted a happy ending but the writers didn't. That's your problem.

Anderson making it to the control pad before you despite entering the lift after Shepard, taking the same route, whilst not being seen once.
The Catalyst's existence throws the need of Sovereign and the entire plot of ME1 into dubious territory.
Your squad dying in Harbinger's attack, then teleporting aboard the Normandy.
The Normandy's actual escape, how it is feasible.
The Normandy's crash on a planet that can't exist.
The Relay's exploding, which apparently causes a supernova.

I didn't see Anderson enter lift after Shepard. How do you know that's what happened?
The catalyst could've had any number of reasons for creating or allowing the soveriegn situation.
I didn't see my squad die, you don't know what happened during that whole ending sequence where you didn't see them. They were probably picked up.
The normandy crashed after being hit in a dying relay. The normandy may have passed through just before it was destroyed.
How can the planet not exist?
You don't know that every time a relay is shut down it destroys everything. You're just making stuff up to invent questions.

[Gigamantis]

AlexXIV wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

The game has no closure because you only know what happens to a hand full of people. The ones leaving the Normandy, Anderson and Shepard. The rest ... may or may not have died or surived. The ending is illogical because the starchild's reasoning is flawed. They built Reapers to prevent synthetics to wipe out organics by wiping out organics and never even providing something of a proof or reason why AIs are eventually destorying all organic life. There is nothing, just deep dark space to back up the solution or the reason for it. It breaks with lore and plot because suddenly you end up with a magic gun that can change creation itself. The crucible shoots a beam or something that somehow hits every organic and synthetic in the world and turns it into a mixture of organic and metal. Have you even seen anything anorganic that does possess a DNA or can even grow? How will you birth a cyborg? Cyborgs have always, in even any fiction I know been organics who have had their organic parts replaced with cybernetics, never have I heard such BS that someone is born a cyborg. Please, it can't get dumber from here and you think that's awesome? And why, if something of a merge between synthetics and organics would be possible, has there never been a race? They could have spared them, you know. Also, in any ending there is nothing to keep you from creating new synthetics eventually and just start over the whole mess.

Yes, I know and have addressed all of this in this very thread.  Leaving open-ended questions is just a device and a creative decision. 

As for your points about the catalyst and the effects of the crucible being different than anything we've seen in the game, all I can say is no kidding.  These elements weren't interacted with throughout the entire series and once they were in number 3 it turned out they had "new science" implications on the entire ME universe.  There's nothing wrong with that, the only problem is the lack of foundation for introducing these new elements, which isn't even a story-telling flaw.  Leaving things open for future interpretation is just a device.

Also, the prospect of new synthetics being created anyways is addressed by the catalyst in the ending so it's not an oversite. 

According to this they could have introduced a race of cartoon characters, Bugs Bunny, Duffy Duck, Micky Mouse, etc. who are actually controlling the reapers to have a fun party. Without ever explaining where they come from and why and how it is possible. If you don't see this as a problem then I guess I know why you don't see a problem but the majority of the people do. I don't think you know alot about writing or story telling in genral or you wouldn't say things like this. Do you think EVERYONE can write something that doesn't make sense and not even try to explain it just to declare it is subject for speculation? This kind of thing works for Family Guy, Simpsons, South Park, Drawn Together, etc, etc. maybe because they make fun of everything. For Mass Effect it is more then just unfitting, it is ridiculous. I don't doubt that they TRIED to be ambigious or whatever, leaving things open for speculation. But then you have to do better than this. Also you are dodging most of my questions. I guess I don't need to ask why?

Open-ended talking points exist in many legitimate works of literature.  Stop pretending you know the mechanics of story writing just because you have a set idea on how a video game story is supposed to end. 

What I said addressed all of your questions and your response was that the ME universe isn't allowed to introduce anything new ever because in your mind that's not good writing.  Everything you said about the implications for synthetics and organics is just the introduction of new science into the universe.  That's what the catalyst is.  More detail about it's origin or fake scientific explanations for what it can accomplish would be interesting, but they're hardly necessary. 

[XTR3M3]

CaliGuy033 wrote...

First, those essays and videos are garbage.  Even the "good" ones.  The Forbes guy is especially shortsighted and obtuse.

ROFL! if the "forbes guy" you are talking about was either of these...
www.forbes.com/sites/michaelhumphrey/2012/04/02/with-prometheus-ridley-scott-perfects-what-mass-effect-3-missed/
www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/21/bioware-co-founder-apologizes-to-fans-for-the-mass-effect-3-ending-sort-of/
there is amazing insight into what is wrong both with EAware's response and what is wrong with the game's ending itself. shortsighted and obtuse? please...how about "dead on" or "talking from a point of honesty because they aren't getting paid to cheerlead like the ones on IGNorant sites."

[AlexXIV]

Gigamantis wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

The game has no closure because you only know what happens to a hand full of people. The ones leaving the Normandy, Anderson and Shepard. The rest ... may or may not have died or surived. The ending is illogical because the starchild's reasoning is flawed. They built Reapers to prevent synthetics to wipe out organics by wiping out organics and never even providing something of a proof or reason why AIs are eventually destorying all organic life. There is nothing, just deep dark space to back up the solution or the reason for it. It breaks with lore and plot because suddenly you end up with a magic gun that can change creation itself. The crucible shoots a beam or something that somehow hits every organic and synthetic in the world and turns it into a mixture of organic and metal. Have you even seen anything anorganic that does possess a DNA or can even grow? How will you birth a cyborg? Cyborgs have always, in even any fiction I know been organics who have had their organic parts replaced with cybernetics, never have I heard such BS that someone is born a cyborg. Please, it can't get dumber from here and you think that's awesome? And why, if something of a merge between synthetics and organics would be possible, has there never been a race? They could have spared them, you know. Also, in any ending there is nothing to keep you from creating new synthetics eventually and just start over the whole mess.

Yes, I know and have addressed all of this in this very thread.  Leaving open-ended questions is just a device and a creative decision. 

As for your points about the catalyst and the effects of the crucible being different than anything we've seen in the game, all I can say is no kidding.  These elements weren't interacted with throughout the entire series and once they were in number 3 it turned out they had "new science" implications on the entire ME universe.  There's nothing wrong with that, the only problem is the lack of foundation for introducing these new elements, which isn't even a story-telling flaw.  Leaving things open for future interpretation is just a device.

Also, the prospect of new synthetics being created anyways is addressed by the catalyst in the ending so it's not an oversite. 

According to this they could have introduced a race of cartoon characters, Bugs Bunny, Duffy Duck, Micky Mouse, etc. who are actually controlling the reapers to have a fun party. Without ever explaining where they come from and why and how it is possible. If you don't see this as a problem then I guess I know why you don't see a problem but the majority of the people do. I don't think you know alot about writing or story telling in genral or you wouldn't say things like this. Do you think EVERYONE can write something that doesn't make sense and not even try to explain it just to declare it is subject for speculation? This kind of thing works for Family Guy, Simpsons, South Park, Drawn Together, etc, etc. maybe because they make fun of everything. For Mass Effect it is more then just unfitting, it is ridiculous. I don't doubt that they TRIED to be ambigious or whatever, leaving things open for speculation. But then you have to do better than this. Also you are dodging most of my questions. I guess I don't need to ask why?

Open-ended talking points exist in many legitimate works of literature.  Stop pretending you know the mechanics of story writing just because you have a set idea on how a video game story is supposed to end. 

What I said addressed all of your questions and your response was that the ME universe isn't allowed to introduce anything new ever because in your mind that's not good writing.  Everything you said about the implications for synthetics and organics is just the introduction of new science into the universe.  That's what the catalyst is.  More detail about it's origin or fake scientific explanations for what it can accomplish would be interesting, but they're hardly necessary. 

So? Why bother explaining the mass effect or biotics then? Why bother with space suits and helmets? Why star ships? Why not make everything "new science" (which seems what you are talking about). But you can't even explain how cyborgs can be born. If Reapers could create beings that are synthesis of organic and synthetic. Why didn't they do it before? Why does it never happen in nature, in billions of years? If there is a chance and unlimited time it will happen. What is the logic behind AIs wiping out all organics? These are the questions, so answer them. I am not a writer but even I know that good writing introduces new elements BEFORE they explode in your face. If a witch 'zaps' a person into a frog then people first want know that there is magic and what magic can do.

[Gigamantis]

So? Why bother explaining the mass effect or biotics then? Why bother with space suits and helmets? Why star ships? Why not make everything "new science" (which seems what you are talking about). But you can't even explain how cyborgs can be born. If Reapers could create beings that are synthesis of organic and synthetic. Why didn't they do it before? Why does it never happen in nature, in billions of years? If there is a chance and unlimited time it will happen. What is the logic behind AIs wiping out all organics? These are the questions, so answer them. I am not a writer but even I know that good writing introduces new elements BEFORE they explode in your face. If a witch 'zaps' a person into a frog then people first want know that there is magic and what magic can do.

They didn't explain everything in detail for you so why explain anything?  That's stupid, recurring theme's in the games needed explanation, but that doesn't make it impossible to create some open-ended content at the end.  

As for your other questions, the reapers are controlled by the catalyst so them not creating a synthesis, and everything else they do, is apparently at it's discretion.  It doesn't happen in nature because it's not natural without the catalysts interference.  The catalyst and the crucible seem to be god-esque implements in this universe.  AI's turning on organics and possibly overtaking them is hinted at all throughout the series.  None of this exploded in Bioware's face, every question the catalyst introduced could have a ton of different explanations.  That's the point of creating open-ended content in a story. 

[Jadebaby]

wow, people have too much time to debate this, save yourselves some effort and use your energy for Indoc... You know it's true ; )

[The Night Mammoth]

[quote]Gigamantis wrote...

[quote]It tries to tell you that a resolved sub-plot is actually the primary one. Synthetics vs. Organics was dealt with and discarded, suddenly bringing it up again is inconsistent. [/quote]
No it isn't. The reapers were also a conflict with synthetics and apparently that conflict was the over-arching problem. Just because one conflict with synthetics was resolved they can't ever reintroduce it? That's just silly. [/quote]

That the Reapers were synthetic was never even an issue raised by anyone in the trilogy. That there was some unescapable eventuality was never even hinted at until the end. That synthetics were a problem because they were synthetic was never debated. 

[quote]
[quote]I'm confused about pretty much everything. Like how Synthesis solves any problems without elimating diversity, the very thing the game repeatedly tells you is good. [/quote]
It does eliminate diversity, but I think the point of the ending was that there was really no good solution. [/quote]

Then one of the main themes you are repeatedly beaten over the head with throughout the trilogy becomes meaningless. 

Homogenization is still morally ahorrent regardless. 


[quote][quote]They somewhat counted towards the War Asset system, but that ended up being completely arbitrary.

Having a 'happy' ending is perfectly fitting as one of many eventualities. [/quote]
You wanted a happy ending but the writers didn't. That's your problem. [/quote]

Obviously, but it seems to be a lot of other people's problem too. 

And it would fit perfectly well with the narritive, far better than what we have.

As potentially one of many endings I don't see what the problem is. 

[quote]Anderson making it to the control pad before you despite entering the lift after Shepard, taking the same route, whilst not being seen once.
The Catalyst's existence throws the need of Sovereign and the entire plot of ME1 into dubious territory.
Your squad dying in Harbinger's attack, then teleporting aboard the Normandy.
The Normandy's actual escape, how it is feasible.
The Normandy's crash on a planet that can't exist.
The Relay's exploding, which apparently causes a supernova. [/quote]
I didn't see Anderson enter lift after Shepard. How do you know that's what happened? [/quote]

He tells you. 
[quote]The catalyst could've had any number of reasons for creating or allowing the soveriegn situation. [/quote]
Could have being the operative phrase. 
[quote]I didn't see my squad die, you don't know what happened during that whole ending sequence where you didn't see them. They were probably picked up. [/quote]
Two things here. 

First, I distinctly remember you hearing people over the radio say that Hammer has been wiped out. 
Second, with the first element established, and no concrete explanation given, a plot hole arises.
[quote]The normandy crashed after being hit in a dying relay. The normandy may have passed through just before it was destroyed. [/quote]
Which means Joker would have had to start fleeing well before the Crucible did anything because Charon is a fair distance away, and he's in the middle of a battle, meaning it is against his character and a plot hole. 
[quote]How can the planet not exist?[/quote]
Situation 1 - The Normandy is actually in FTL, which means it didn't get far out of the Local Cluster. Since there aren't any other habitable planets around, it shouldn't have crashed anywhere.

Situation 2 - The Normany drops out of the Mass Effect corridor mid jump. So, it is in deep space, and has exposed itself to lethal radiation due to the extreme decelleration. That's in the codex, by the way, it begins with a 'C'. There are no planets in deep space. 
[quote]You don't know that every time a relay is shut down it destroys everything. You're just making stuff up to invent questions.

[/quote]
The codex seems to think that blowing up a Relay causes a supernova. Arrival shows you this. 

No, I'm not saying it's definite either way, just that the lack of explanation is a plot hole. 

To conclude, it's not really the plot holes which bother me, but more the complete disregard for anything that comes before the ending. Be that character, theme, narritive style, premise etc. 

All of it, is just tossed on the fire in favor of needless and out-place-ambiguity and nihilism. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 03 avril 2012 - 04:26 .

[Dustin1280]

Dustin1280 wrote...

 You are a troll so I am sure you will ignore this, but here are only SOME of the issues that we have with the ending.

The endings are the same

LOGICAL Breakdown of many of the plotholes

"Art" & Mass Effect 3

5 Reasons the fans are right

And that is only about 1/3 of the good articles out there...

Edit:
Come to think of it, I don't think i have seen ONE good article about why the ending actually works.  By all means enlighten me if you can find a few...

Edit 2:  Can't wait for him to outright ignore this post, or just dismiss it for some silly reason.

Yeah, good plan, ignore anything you cannot deal with.  trolling 101

[AlexXIV]

Gigamantis wrote...

So? Why bother explaining the mass effect or biotics then? Why bother with space suits and helmets? Why star ships? Why not make everything "new science" (which seems what you are talking about). But you can't even explain how cyborgs can be born. If Reapers could create beings that are synthesis of organic and synthetic. Why didn't they do it before? Why does it never happen in nature, in billions of years? If there is a chance and unlimited time it will happen. What is the logic behind AIs wiping out all organics? These are the questions, so answer them. I am not a writer but even I know that good writing introduces new elements BEFORE they explode in your face. If a witch 'zaps' a person into a frog then people first want know that there is magic and what magic can do.

They didn't explain everything in detail for you so why explain anything?  That's stupid, recurring theme's in the games needed explanation, but that doesn't make it impossible to create some open-ended content at the end.  

As for your other questions, the reapers are controlled by the catalyst so them not creating a synthesis, and everything else they do, is apparently at it's discretion.  It doesn't happen in nature because it's not natural without the catalysts interference.  The catalyst and the crucible seem to be god-esque implements in this universe.  AI's turning on organics and possibly overtaking them is hinted at all throughout the series.  None of this exploded in Bioware's face, every question the catalyst introduced could have a ton of different explanations.  That's the point of creating open-ended content in a story. 

Right the catalyst is god. So it came up with the "yo dawg" solution to a problem that isn't explained. You still didn't answer why AI eventually wipes out all organics. Well actually you didn't answer anything. You just say "stories can have open ends". An open end is not the same as changing everything in the end. Endings are almost always open because they cannot possibly explain every simple thing that will happen up to eternity. But they made an ending that could be for any story. But since you are not answering anything I guess I don't need to ask you why the Catalyst lets Shepard make the decision abou the future? I mean the catalyst is as you said a god-like being. He had a solution (ignring how stupid it is) and it didn't work. So we need a new solution, but since the starchild got tired of thinking we just give Shepard 3 choices that don't make sense. Why does the starchild not create a new solution? Because Shepard is smarter? Is it that? Let me guess. Your answer is we don't know and we don't need to know. Right? You are working for Bioware, just admit it. Because that's probably what they thought when they made this ending. Seriously. That's the dumbest POS I have ever read.

And another reason why it is obvious the ending was rushed is simply missing cutscenes. There could have been like half an hour cutscenes showing how all other squadmates and other people are doing. Be it them being blown up by Reapers or taking down Reapers. Alliance, Krogan, Quarian, Asari, etc. Normandy. All the people, squadmates, etc. You just get the most basic ending they could do. Showing only Shepard and Anderson as if nobody else mattered. We know from a leak that the 2 squadmates were supposed to get with you into the Citadel or be blown up, depending on your choices. Where is that? Right, it was cut. You are just excusing a lame rush job of an ending, that's all you do. And the only thing you can say is "open ending". That's why you're a troll and that's why I should never have responded to you other than calling you troll.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 03 avril 2012 - 04:31 .

[webhead921]

Hey guys, just want to say that OP does not represent us pro-enders. He is making us look bad.

[Dustin1280]

webhead921 wrote...

Hey guys, just want to say that OP does not represent us pro-enders. He is making us look bad.

As a pro-ender who is NOT a troll...

Could you please explain why some of the things I posted don't bother you at all with the ending?

Edit:  You don't even have to go into detail, just why exactly you aren't bothered by any of those things?

Modifié par Dustin1280, 03 avril 2012 - 04:33 .

[Gerudan]

Gigamantis wrote...

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion.  

No 

[Gmandam]

Nice that you liked it O.P I can't say that I did and that's why I'm protesting

[webhead921]

Dustin1280 wrote...

webhead921 wrote...

Hey guys, just want to say that OP does not represent us pro-enders. He is making us look bad.

As a pro-ender who is NOT a troll...

Could you please explain why some of the things I posted don't bother you at all with the ending?

Edit:  You don't even have to go into detail, just why exactly you aren't bothered by any of those things?

Sure thing.  I'm going to work on a response when I'm off of work.  Also, I just want to point out that even though I am overall satisfied with the ending, I acknowledge a lot of the flaws and plot holes.  I think the ending is imperfect and flawed, but my likes outweigh my dislikes.