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[Zardoc]

No it isn't.


/thread

[FJVP]

Ok, may I know the logic behind your "hope they don't change the ending" argument, because I don't really get it. IF they do change it, it will obviously have to be in the form of DLC and last I heard you were never forced to download any DLC (aside from patches) to play a game, nor it will override the one you got originally.

Seriously enlighten me please, because I don't get the pro-enders that are against even tampering with it. And please don't use that "artistic integrity" argument, even if it's considered as such it does not consecutively give it immunity against errors or failure.

[garf]

gekko513 wrote...

nexworks wrote...

gekko513 wrote...

The ending is consistent with the rest of the series. There are clear parallels and explanations throughout. The most obvious is the Geth/Quarian conflict, which mirrors the Reaper/Organics conflict almost perfectly in miniature.

Uh, what?

Geth/Quarian Conflict
Quarians create geth as general assistance VI programs. They evolve into an AI. The Quarians panic and try to shut them down. The Geth defend themselves and drive the Quarians away. They remain isolated for a long time, until provocation from the Quarians caused some to ally with the Reapers.

Reaper/Organic Conflict
Organics evolve and exist. Reapers come along every 50,000 years and kill all of them, occassionally uplifting a compatable species into Reaper form, because one day the organics might create synthetics that will kill all of them forever. Synthetics like the Geth who only wanted to be left alone and only attacked organics again because they had Reaper help.

Yeah, I'm really not seeing the parallels. 

Why do you think the Reapers come along every 50000 years? If you think about it, the Geth situation would explain that perfectly. It all points to the Reapers starting out exactly like the Geth. They were created, then attacked, and then repeatedly attacked by organics, like the Geth have been now twice.

The Reapers have even chosen exile, just like the Geth. And just like the Geth, the reapers only come out and fight just as the organics are approaching at the stages in organic civilization where they are starting to become advanced enough to pose a threat to them.

The Reapers, just like the Geth, want peace, synthesis, but they don't know how to obtain it, and reach out to the organics to find that understanding.

Interesting and viable headcannon. but unproven.

I'm more inclined to believe some writer in isolation said "This would be cool, and Angsty and hip" and had no one to gainsay him.

[Disciple888]

Gigamantis wrote...

I'm not complaining about complaining.  Like the rest of you I'm sharing my opinions about the ending of the game.  My opinion is it was the best ending so far and you people are overreacting to ultimately trivial things. 

What's great about this is that I'm not angry but all of you are.  I didn't send my money to a random "change the ending" movement not knowing how it would be used.  I didn't waste hours of my life organizing petitions and attacking the developers of a fantastic game.  I'm not so distraught I can't play the game ever again.  I'm feeling pretty good.

I just kinda feel bad for the rest of you.  I think some positivity will be good for you.  

u mad

[xMellowhype]

garf wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

I'm glad the ending (singular) was the one you wanted. Why are you campaigning to stop them from adding a few so I get the one or five that I want?

what is the purpose of your post?

Trolling and acting superior despite not understanding a lot of words in the English language. Also latin phrases apparently.

Modifié par xMellowhype, 03 avril 2012 - 02:25 .

[Gigamantis]

xMellowhype wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

xMellowhype wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

How dare you voice an opinion on a public forum!

An opinion that sues ad hominems, straw mans and appeal to authorities as their main arguments shouldn't be taken seirously. Such as an idiotic post as yours.

Ugh, I hate people who cite fallacies yet have no idea what they mean.  Quit inventing purposes for my comments and go back to letting the last 5 minutes of a video game ruin your life. 

Really your first sentence here is a straw man. The latter is implying I don't have a life is an ad hominem. I hate people who think they know stuff too but in this case you're in the wrong. (as usual)

My first sentence is a straw man to what?  There has to be an established debate for me to create a straw man.  I was just addressing several assumed reactions pre-emptively.  Also, the ad hominem fallacy also assumes an active debate.  I was just stating my opinions of the ending and general reactions to it.  

Again, you can cite fallacies fine but you don't know how to place them in the proper context. 

[Gigamantis]

Disciple888 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

I'm not complaining about complaining.  Like the rest of you I'm sharing my opinions about the ending of the game.  My opinion is it was the best ending so far and you people are overreacting to ultimately trivial things. 

What's great about this is that I'm not angry but all of you are.  I didn't send my money to a random "change the ending" movement not knowing how it would be used.  I didn't waste hours of my life organizing petitions and attacking the developers of a fantastic game.  I'm not so distraught I can't play the game ever again.  I'm feeling pretty good.

I just kinda feel bad for the rest of you.  I think some positivity will be good for you.  

u mad

Nope, u? 

[Aweus]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Someone that is ether a troll or some "fan" that does not care about the plot holes and inconsistencies in the last 5 min of the game.

He has a different opinion than me?!?

TROLL, NOT A REAL FAN!!!!1

Opinions are fine...Iam just stating a fact.

You really need to learn the difference between fact and opinion.

As a matter of fact I see both sides to have opinions. Hell, the OP himself states a "fact" with his thread name. What still disturbs me is while Retake movement tries to turn those opinions into something positive (ie. adding more ending options that would really hurt nobody) I do not really see the agenda of people who want nothing to be done. I mean, if you are fine with the endings thats great. What else there is to gain? If you want to deny others the chance to be happy with the Mass Effect ending (which would not hurt your personal experience) that is way more selfish than asking Bioware to revisit the ending. I must put a stress on "asking". Asking is different from demanding. Demanding more or less means to order someone to do something. I am not ordering anything. I dont have a power to do so. All I can do is ask and see how they react. My further dealings with Bioware will be based on their reactions to my plea. My negative reaction (if it ends that way) would not be drived by retaliation but by disappointment.

Modifié par Aweus, 03 avril 2012 - 02:31 .

[jds1bio]

This thread has moved from an "endings" thread to a "I'm cool / you're silly" thread by the OP. It's no longer ME3-related.

[Serp86]

Gigamantis wrote...

Serp86 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Serp86 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

Someone that is ether a troll or some "fan" that does not care about the plot holes and inconsistencies in the last 5 min of the game.

Again, some plot-holes aren't the end of the world in what was an otherwise moving and intense ending.  It's about being a fan without being a psychotic about it.  It makes everything much more enjoyable. 

How do you justify an ending to a triology that won't be continued that leaves so many open question ? The worst part about it that these question only come up because the ending was so flawed. Up until the ending everything was fine for the most part. Then it was hmm what the hell just happened ?

Most questions of the ME series get answered up until the endings basically just leaves you with a bunch of new ones and gives you zero information. 

In a game that was guaranteed to have DLC I don't mind that at all.  The game we have is coming and supplemental content is on the way for those who want more.  It's not over yet, skippy. 

DLC's are supposed to provide bonus content and not complete a game....  Thats just shady buisness. Releasing content that should've been in the game to begin with to grab some more money out of peoples pockets is just low.

The game was completed; which is why any new content will be supplemental.   There's no necessity to wrap up everything in a story, especially when supplemental content is assumed.  There are even books out there that leave open-ended talking points purposely. 

Whatever the explanations are you'll get them without buying the DLC anyways; they'll be on the internet within minutes.  You just choose whether or not to experience this additional supplement.  It's all perfectly reasonable, especially when the original game itself is well worth it's retail price, which ME3 was.

The game does not feel complete right now. There are at least 3-5 major bugs that you can see after beeing hit by the beam that def should be fixed for example. Not to mention the Normandy sequence that doesn't make any sense at all . If a company wants to skim the most money of their loyal fanbase they can do that if they like but they shouldn't expect people to keep their mouth shut and buy all the crap they release.  Pissing off a fanbase will hurt in the long run.

[Gigamantis]

FJVP wrote...

Ok, may I know the logic behind your "hope they don't change the ending" argument, because I don't really get it. IF they do change it, it will obviously have to be in the form of DLC and last I heard you were never forced to download any DLC (aside from patches) to play a game, nor it will override the one you got originally.

Seriously enlighten me please, because I don't get the pro-enders that are against even tampering with it. And please don't use that "artistic integrity" argument, even if it's considered as such it does not consecutively give it immunity against errors or failure.

Adding to the ending is fine; you can go into more detail about something without changing it.  Whether you want to admit it or not, though, many people are equally upset about the ending not being a happy one.  If they CHANGE the ending in any way to quiet the crying it will be unforgivable. 

[garf]

xMellowhype wrote...

garf wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

I'm glad the ending (singular) was the one you wanted. Why are you campaigning to stop them from adding a few so I get the one or five that I want?

what is the purpose of your post?

Trolling and acting superior despite not understanding a lot of words in the English language. Also latin phrases apparently.

Judging from follow up posts I'm affraid I have to agree.

[xMellowhype]

Gigamantis wrote...

xMellowhype wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

xMellowhype wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

How dare you voice an opinion on a public forum!

An opinion that sues ad hominems, straw mans and appeal to authorities as their main arguments shouldn't be taken seirously. Such as an idiotic post as yours.

Ugh, I hate people who cite fallacies yet have no idea what they mean.  Quit inventing purposes for my comments and go back to letting the last 5 minutes of a video game ruin your life. 

Really your first sentence here is a straw man. The latter is implying I don't have a life is an ad hominem. I hate people who think they know stuff too but in this case you're in the wrong. (as usual)

My first sentence is a straw man to what?  There has to be an established debate for me to create a straw man.  I was just addressing several assumed reactions pre-emptively.  Also, the ad hominem fallacy also assumes an active debate.  I was just stating my opinions of the ending and general reactions to it.  

Again, you can cite fallacies fine but you don't know how to place them in the proper context. 

To what? Oh this is some really good trolling. Your OP is the argument don't give me that it's not a formal argument or some BS. You're arguing that we need a new outlook on life or that we are too simple or whatever condescending insult you think is witty. 

"Ugh I dislike people that think they know what fallacies are..."

Oh yes that's a very valid logical, rational debate point right there. Apologies for insulting your clearly infalliable logic there.

Your counter argument being based that it's not an actual argument is hilarious. Never once did you stop to actually debate points of why people disliked the ending all the psots ended with somehting about life which isn't ana ctual argument.

Neither is you massive appeal to authority on BioWare.

Modifié par xMellowhype, 03 avril 2012 - 02:32 .

[garf]

Aweus wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Someone that is ether a troll or some "fan" that does not care about the plot holes and inconsistencies in the last 5 min of the game.

He has a different opinion than me?!?

TROLL, NOT A REAL FAN!!!!1

Opinions are fine...Iam just stating a fact.

You really need to learn the difference between fact and opinion.

As a matter of fact I see both sides to have opinions. Hell, the OP himself states a "fact" with his thread name. What still disturbs me is while Retake movement tries to turn those opinions into something positive (ie. adding more ending options that would really hurt nobody) I do not really see the agenda of people who want nothing to be done. I mean, if you are fine with the endings thats great. What else there is to gain? If you want to deny others the chance to be happy with the Mass Effect ending (which would not hurt your personal experience) that is way more selfish than asking Bioware to revisit the ending. I must put a stress on "asking". Asking is different from demanding. Demanding more or less means to order someone to do something. I am not ordering anything. I dont have a power to do so. All I can do is ask and see how they react. My further dealings with Bioware will be based on their reactions to my plea. My negative reaction (if it ends that way) would not be drived by retaliation but by disappointment.

In the end you  can only vote with your wallet.

[Gigamantis]

Serp86 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Serp86 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Serp86 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

Someone that is ether a troll or some "fan" that does not care about the plot holes and inconsistencies in the last 5 min of the game.

Again, some plot-holes aren't the end of the world in what was an otherwise moving and intense ending.  It's about being a fan without being a psychotic about it.  It makes everything much more enjoyable. 

How do you justify an ending to a triology that won't be continued that leaves so many open question ? The worst part about it that these question only come up because the ending was so flawed. Up until the ending everything was fine for the most part. Then it was hmm what the hell just happened ?

Most questions of the ME series get answered up until the endings basically just leaves you with a bunch of new ones and gives you zero information. 

In a game that was guaranteed to have DLC I don't mind that at all.  The game we have is coming and supplemental content is on the way for those who want more.  It's not over yet, skippy. 

DLC's are supposed to provide bonus content and not complete a game....  Thats just shady buisness. Releasing content that should've been in the game to begin with to grab some more money out of peoples pockets is just low.

The game was completed; which is why any new content will be supplemental.   There's no necessity to wrap up everything in a story, especially when supplemental content is assumed.  There are even books out there that leave open-ended talking points purposely. 

Whatever the explanations are you'll get them without buying the DLC anyways; they'll be on the internet within minutes.  You just choose whether or not to experience this additional supplement.  It's all perfectly reasonable, especially when the original game itself is well worth it's retail price, which ME3 was.

The game does not feel complete right now. There are at least 3-5 major bugs that you can see after beeing hit by the beam that def should be fixed for example. Not to mention the Normandy sequence that doesn't make any sense at all . If a company wants to skim the most money of their loyal fanbase they can do that if they like but they shouldn't expect people to keep their mouth shut and buy all the crap they release.  Pissing off a fanbase will hurt in the long run.

I have no problem with you voicing your opinion, it's just being taken too far.  It's a rather embarrassing time to be part of this community. 

You should really all just admit the game was fantastic and talk rationally about ways to improve the ending.  It would make you look like people with real perspective who's opinions should be valued.  Most of you are just being irrational. 

[Gigamantis]

xMellowhype wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

xMellowhype wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

xMellowhype wrote...

Lookout1390 wrote...

How dare you voice an opinion on a public forum!

An opinion that sues ad hominems, straw mans and appeal to authorities as their main arguments shouldn't be taken seirously. Such as an idiotic post as yours.

Ugh, I hate people who cite fallacies yet have no idea what they mean.  Quit inventing purposes for my comments and go back to letting the last 5 minutes of a video game ruin your life. 

Really your first sentence here is a straw man. The latter is implying I don't have a life is an ad hominem. I hate people who think they know stuff too but in this case you're in the wrong. (as usual)

My first sentence is a straw man to what?  There has to be an established debate for me to create a straw man.  I was just addressing several assumed reactions pre-emptively.  Also, the ad hominem fallacy also assumes an active debate.  I was just stating my opinions of the ending and general reactions to it.  

Again, you can cite fallacies fine but you don't know how to place them in the proper context. 

To what? Oh this is some really good trolling. Your OP is the argument don't give me that it's not a formal argument or some BS. You're arguing that we need a new outlook on life or that we are too simple or whatever condescending insult you think is witty. 

"Ugh I dislike people that think they know what fallacies are..."

Oh yes that's a very valid logical, rational debate point right there. Apologies for insulting your clearly infalliable logic there.

Your counter argument being based that it's not an actual argument is hilarious. Never once did you stop to actually debate points of why people disliked the ending all the psots ended with somehting about life which isn't ana ctual argument.

Neither is you massive appeal to authority on BioWare.

This isn't a debate, so any debate specific fallacies are irrelevant.  If you want to honestly debate whether my opinions are what they are with me I don't like your odds of winning. 

Since you're confused let's start the debate over.  I like the ending and I think most of the people here are overreacting.  Your rebuttal?  

Modifié par Gigamantis, 03 avril 2012 - 02:38 .

[redbaron76]

@ Op your opinion is irrelevant, you only played the last game and did not play any other in the serires, if you did you would know why people are upset with the endings. It is ok that you liked the endings but to not try to impress your opinions or your insults to the people that have actually played more game time in the mass effect universe than you have. Play both ME 1 and ME 2 and then you will understand why the people are upset till then do not state your opinion based on one game.

[ericjdev]

ending was god awful

[ticklefist]

Obvious troll post.

[cutegigi]

Gigamantis wrote...
I have no problem with you voicing your opinion, it's just being taken too far.  It's a rather embarrassing time to be part of this community. 

-snip-

you can always leave.
dont let the door slam your face.

[FJVP]

Gigamantis wrote...

FJVP wrote...

Ok, may I know the logic behind your "hope they don't change the ending" argument, because I don't really get it. IF they do change it, it will obviously have to be in the form of DLC and last I heard you were never forced to download any DLC (aside from patches) to play a game, nor it will override the one you got originally.

Seriously enlighten me please, because I don't get the pro-enders that are against even tampering with it. And please don't use that "artistic integrity" argument, even if it's considered as such it does not consecutively give it immunity against errors or failure.

Adding to the ending is fine; you can go into more detail about something without changing it.  Whether you want to admit it or not, though, many people are equally upset about the ending not being a happy one.  If they CHANGE the ending in any way to quiet the crying it will be unforgivable. 

Why will it be unforgivable? And who won't forgive them? You? That's what I want to know. And I personally don't like the ending because it destroys the Mass Effect universe by getting rid of the mass relays, I don't really care about never being able to see my squadmates again or Shep dying.

[KevShep]

Aweus wrote...


As a matter of fact I see both sides to have opinions. Hell, the OP himself states a "fact" with his thread name.

That...is an opinion, not a fact!

[ssyyllaarr]

LOL the op had no reason for this thread other than to get a rise out of people. Hes trolling while trying to prove his superior intelligence and defending the fact hes "not trolling". Sir your opinion has been noted and rejected because your opinion is wrong. Its not a big deal, theres a few of you out there with the same false opinions. To this thread ......

[Gigamantis]

redbaron76 wrote...

@ Op your opinion is irrelevant, you only played the last game and did not play any other in the serires, if you did you would know why people are upset with the endings. It is ok that you liked the endings but to not try to impress your opinions or your insults to the people that have actually played more game time in the mass effect universe than you have. Play both ME 1 and ME 2 and then you will understand why the people are upset till then do not state your opinion based on one game.

Actually, I played all 3 and I liked the ending to the third one the best.  Does that make you angry?  

[Ender99]

cutegigi wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...
I have no problem with you voicing your opinion, it's just being taken too far.  It's a rather embarrassing time to be part of this community. 

-snip-

you can always leave.
dont let the door slam your face.

Beat me to it.

Except I would have left off the last part.