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[Can0fCorn]

This thread = still better ending than ME3

[gnaag]

Yeah I hope they change the ending that would be awesome.

[Serp86]

Gigamantis wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

Fine. You like the ending. We don't. Why do you have a problem with them changing/adding to it via DLC? Just don't download it!

Unless they had always intended to give multiple endings in DLC that would be the worst kind of selling out.  The second they alter their story JUST because some people cried is the day you can't trust the integrity of anything they release.  

If Bioware is that easily displaced from it's integrity then I personally have no reason to trust that anything they release isn't tainted.  Just my opinion, but if they change the ending I'm done. 

Trust me its not just some people its at least 2/3 of peole that saw the ending.  I've never been to the BSN before the ME3 ending.  Hell i've never even complained about an ending or a game in general that much.  But this one is different for some reason.  The ending is just so out of place and to be perfectly honest utter garbage that i just don't accept this to be an intented ending by a writer with even half a braincell.  And most people i talked to if reallife or internet agree with this.  You don't and thats good for you .

And btw artistic integrity is a bunch of balony . Bioware wants to sell a product to their customers. If they ****** of those people they won't do that in the future simple as that.

[Ender99]

Gigamantis wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

Fine. You like the ending. We don't. Why do you have a problem with them changing/adding to it via DLC? Just don't download it!

Unless they had always intended to give multiple endings in DLC that would be the worst kind of selling out.  The second they alter their story JUST because some people cried is the day you can't trust the integrity of anything they release.  

If Bioware is that easily displaced from it's integrity then I personally have no reason to trust that anything they release isn't tainted.  Just my opinion, but if they change the ending I'm done. 

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director) 1/10/12
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer:
[Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”

Hudson:
“Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build
the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually
tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end
with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At
this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made
as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way
like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings
there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a
lot more sophistication and variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.”


As far as I'm concerned Bioware lost it's integrity when they lied to us. I want them to uphold their statements. If they don't, then I'm done.

[Gigamantis]

FJVP wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

Fine. You like the ending. We don't. Why do you have a problem with them changing/adding to it via DLC? Just don't download it!

Unless they had always intended to give multiple endings in DLC that would be the worst kind of selling out.  The second they alter their story JUST because some people cried is the day you can't trust the integrity of anything they release.  

If Bioware is that easily displaced from it's integrity then I personally have no reason to trust that anything they release isn't tainted.  Just my opinion, but if they change the ending I'm done. 

Explain please What makes you think it will be the holocaust for BW if they change the ending?

It's just proof that the company is willing to differ it's creative decisions to the fans, and the fans aren't who I want writing for Bioware.  I don't like the idea of your influence tainting their work so if they open those flood-gates I want no part of them.  Not exactly the holocaust, I'll just be playing other games. 

Integrity matters. 

[StarcloudSWG]

http://social.biowar...7821/1#10487821

Read and view these, and you'll understand why an estimated nine out of ten players are dissatisfied with the ending.

It's nowhere near as simple as "It wasn't a happy ending."

[MrFob]

Sorry mate, 1st of April was on Sunday.

[ssyyllaarr]

ahh i was wondering what was going to provide my entertainment for the evening. This thread solved that issue. I got extra popcorn for those who wanna join me in watching Spartacus BSN thread style. Just saying

[Gigamantis]

Ender99 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

Fine. You like the ending. We don't. Why do you have a problem with them changing/adding to it via DLC? Just don't download it!

Unless they had always intended to give multiple endings in DLC that would be the worst kind of selling out.  The second they alter their story JUST because some people cried is the day you can't trust the integrity of anything they release.  

If Bioware is that easily displaced from it's integrity then I personally have no reason to trust that anything they release isn't tainted.  Just my opinion, but if they change the ending I'm done. 

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director) 1/10/12
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer:
[Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”

Hudson:
“Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build
the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually
tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end
with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At
this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made
as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way
like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings
there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a
lot more sophistication and variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.”


As far as I'm concerned Bioware lost it's integrity when they lied to us. I want them to uphold their statements. If they don't, then I'm done.

Over-selling the variation in endings isn't lying; it's called hype.  If hype bothered me I wouldn't be able to support any company that's ever advertised anything.  Nature of the beast; most people are smart enough to take advertising with a grain of salt. 

[Serp86]

Gigamantis wrote...

FJVP wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

Fine. You like the ending. We don't. Why do you have a problem with them changing/adding to it via DLC? Just don't download it!

Unless they had always intended to give multiple endings in DLC that would be the worst kind of selling out.  The second they alter their story JUST because some people cried is the day you can't trust the integrity of anything they release.  

If Bioware is that easily displaced from it's integrity then I personally have no reason to trust that anything they release isn't tainted.  Just my opinion, but if they change the ending I'm done. 

Explain please What makes you think it will be the holocaust for BW if they change the ending?

It's just proof that the company is willing to differ it's creative decisions to the fans, and the fans aren't who I want writing for Bioware.  I don't like the idea of your influence tainting their work so if they open those flood-gates I want no part of them.  Not exactly the holocaust, I'll just be playing other games. 

Integrity matters. 

But not if you go broke because you were to blind to see and admit your own mistakes. 

[Devil Mingy]

Gigamantis wrote...

Ender99 wrote...

Interview with Casey Hudson (Director) 1/10/12
http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2

Interviewer:
[Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that
same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?”

Hudson:
“Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build
the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually
tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end
with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At
this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made
as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way
like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings
there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a
lot more sophistication and variety in them.”

“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.”


As far as I'm concerned Bioware lost it's integrity when they lied to us. I want them to uphold their statements. If they don't, then I'm done.

Over-selling the variation in endings isn't lying; it's called hype.  If hype bothered me I wouldn't be able to support any company that's ever advertised anything.  Nature of the beast; most people are smart enough to take advertising with a grain of salt. 

Lmao. Over-selling? It's a flat out lie. The ending is exactly what he promised it wouldn't be. Spin it all you want, but the words are right there.

I would've even been willing to give the quote the benefit of the doubt (and say they intended to make it like that but messed up) if not for two things:

1. This is the same ending as in the leaked script, so I doubt it was a rush job.

2. This quote was less than 2 months before the release of the game.

Modifié par Devil Mingy, 03 avril 2012 - 03:10 .

[DJBare]

Gigamantis wrote...
It's just proof that the company is willing to differ it's creative decisions to the fans, and the fans aren't who I want writing for Bioware.  I don't like the idea of your influence tainting their work so if they open those flood-gates I want no part of them.  Not exactly the holocaust, I'll just be playing other games. 

Integrity matters. 

Odd that Bethesda did not have that problem, but more to the point, 80% of the fan base are disappointed, so that makes you part of the 20%, when making a financial decision on the outcome I wonder which Bioware are going to choose, tough call.

[FJVP]

Gigamantis wrote...

It's just proof that the company is willing to differ it's creative decisions to the fans, and the fans aren't who I want writing for Bioware.  I don't like the idea of your influence tainting their work so if they open those flood-gates I want no part of them.  Not exactly the holocaust, I'll just be playing other games. 

Integrity matters. 

No it isn't, I don't know where you're getting that idea from. There comes a point where when if there's so much negativity about you work, it may be you the one who screwed up not your fans simply whining that they didn't get what they asked for. Right now you're acting like a child that just got a new toy and doesn't want to share it with anyone for fear they might break it.

[redbaron76]

@ op it does not make me angry at all. You see I am ok with the endings, what I do not like about enings is the all the mepty spots they have left unexplained, like why is Normandy away from earth, how did ash and liara end up on normandy when they were with my shepard at the citadel beam. And there is also very important fact that relays blew up. We all know that in arrivsal when shepard blew up relay batarian colony died. So when the relays blew up no planet should be able to survive, or how does bioware explain that scenario. And also the endings as they stand do not fit into the mass effect story line.

[Joccaren]

Gigamantis wrote...

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

Uhhh.... Troll or what?
Seriously, you've put up an extremely polar opinion with no explanation for it - that screams troll to me. Not a troll? Explain it.
It was not well produced. The entire ending was a rush of mis-mashed horde mode, a short conversation with an interrupt, and a simple three door choice system, with a photoshop colour changed ending. There was no epilogue, and the final words of the Mass Effect Franchise were quite literally 'Downloadable Content'. Add to that the numerous plot holes, character inconsistencies, space magic logic jumps, diabolous ex machina - it is possibly the WORST produced ending in the series.
Moving? Not in the slightest. The only emotion I felt at the end - and thousands if not millions like me - was confusion. WTF just happened. I actually believed that a proper ending would be coming in a day 3 patch or something. Nope. The only thing this ending has moved is Mass Effect out of my playlist. The series is now defunct and pointless thanks to the ending.
Fitting conclusion? In what way? It throws all the themes and everything that Mass Effect stood for out the window, and gave you a completely linear shootfest instead. It didn't honour your choices, it didn't give you choice, and it forced Shepard to give in to and complete the Reapers' goals without any fight.

This ending is the worst ending in the series, and possibly the worst end to a videogame I've ever seen. Its not simply a 'WTF' ending, its not simply an ending with no closure, its not simply an ending that retcons half the series - its all of the above combined into one big giant turd. There is no redeeming feature to the conclusion, except the conversation with Anderson - and there is even a better cut of that on Youtube. When fans can come up with better endings than Bioware could - there is seriously something wrong.

[KevShep]

Gigamantis wrote...

It's just proof that the company is willing to differ it's creative decisions to the fans, and the fans aren't who I want writing for Bioware.  I don't like the idea of your influence tainting their work so if they open those flood-gates I want no part of them.  Not exactly the holocaust, I'll just be playing other games. 

Integrity matters. 

You mean like the integrity they gave us for an ending?

I dont know about you but Ive heard some REALLY good stories about how ME serise will end (before ME3 launch) from the fans themselves and they were a million times better then what the Bioware writers did!

Also I am pretty convinced you have been trolling this whole time anyway.

[Gigamantis]

DJBare wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...
It's just proof that the company is willing to differ it's creative decisions to the fans, and the fans aren't who I want writing for Bioware.  I don't like the idea of your influence tainting their work so if they open those flood-gates I want no part of them.  Not exactly the holocaust, I'll just be playing other games. 

Integrity matters. 

Odd that Bethesda did not have that problem, but more to the point, 80% of the fan base are disappointed, so that makes you part of the 20%, when making a financial decision on the outcome I wonder which Bioware are going to choose, tough call.

80% of the fans are disappointed, huh?  That's an oddly specific statistic considering that I doubt that most of the 5 million (estimated) who bought the game were polled. 

If by Bethesda you're talking about letting people continue playing after the ending in FO3, that's obviously different.  That's not changing the story, it's allowing people to continue playing the same story. 

Don't underestimate how fast turning over creative control to uncreative fans can mess with the quality of what a company creates.  I never said it would be the end of Bioware, though, many uncreative companies release crappy products that do very well.  I'm just saying I would be done with Bioware.  

[Keldaurz]

vivaladricas wrote...

http://www.cinemable...izon-40885.html

Guys, again.

[Gigamantis]

KevShep wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

It's just proof that the company is willing to differ it's creative decisions to the fans, and the fans aren't who I want writing for Bioware.  I don't like the idea of your influence tainting their work so if they open those flood-gates I want no part of them.  Not exactly the holocaust, I'll just be playing other games. 

Integrity matters. 

You mean like the integrity they gave us for an ending?

I dont know about you but Ive heard some REALLY good stories about how ME serise will end (before ME3 launch) from the fans themselves and they were a million times better then what the Bioware writers did!

Also I am pretty convinced you have been trolling this whole time anyway.

I've heard some fan ideas myself and they were abhorrently bad.  If you like your ideas and the ideas of your peers please do create your own game, just don't subject me to them by tainting Bioware. 

[thefallen2far]

to the OP..... I'm glad you liked the ending. I hope you like a new ending if it's ever generated. You'll be forever thought of as "that guy". You know, "that guy" who said Phantom Menace was the best Star Wars movie of the franchise. Or "that guy" that liked the ending of Lost. Or "that guy" that think The Black Eyed Peas is defining our generation. Or "that guy" that said that Skyrim didn't live up to expectations. Or "that guy" that thought Sienfeld sucked. You know.... that guy.

[Joccaren]

Gigamantis wrote...

It's just proof that the company is willing to differ it's creative decisions to the fans, and the fans aren't who I want writing for Bioware.  I don't like the idea of your influence tainting their work so if they open those flood-gates I want no part of them.  Not exactly the holocaust, I'll just be playing other games. 

Integrity matters. 

I'm sorry, but do you even know what artistic integrity is?
Its not 'Once its finished it can never be changed', in fact the best quote relating to finished art is this: "Art is never finished, it is only abandoned".
No, artistic integrity says that the final decision lies with the artist as to what happens with their work. They decide to change the endings, their artistic integrity is 100% intact because THEY decided to change them. It doesn't matter their reasons, THEY decided to change the turd they released, and hopefully improve it.
You are just as infringing upon their integrity by claiming they shouldn't change the endings as the fans who are claiming they should are. You are putting your wants before the wants of the artists. Worse, you are assuming you know the wants of the artists. You aren't defending their artistic integrity. There is no way anyone can defend it except saying 'Let them make the decision'.
And if you would be that upset about them doing things based off fan input, I suggest you leave now. You know the Tali and Garrus Romances? Fan input. We wanted those romances, we got them. Apparently Bioware's integrity is now ruined forever, and you should go play other games.

The best part is, any ending DLC wouldn't be forced on players either. People who like the original endings could keep them. People who don't could pay more for a different set. A new set of endings will not destroy anything. The only place it could do such a thing is in your own mind.

[Udalango]

The "If they change things the game integrity will be ruined" is so dumb
It has happened already with Fallout
It HAS happened with Mass Effect already too. Tali wasnt supposed to be a squadmate. Garrus wasnt supposed to be a LI in the second one.
SO argument is now nonsensical

[AkeasharK]

Joccaren wrote...


This ending is the worst ending in the series, and possibly the worst end to a videogame I've ever seen. *snip*

This is where I stop reading. There are far worse endings to video games. Go watch the ending to Clive Barker's Jericho on youtube as one incrediably painful example.

[DJBare]

Gigamantis wrote...
80% of the fans are disappointed, huh?  That's an oddly specific statistic considering that I doubt that most of the 5 million (estimated) who bought the game were polled. 

Perhaps a little too specific, I'll let you decide.
Since we're getting paid DLC, is it enough for Bioware to just "clarify"?
Poll About Your reaction on Dr. Ray Muzyka's statement on 21st March 2012
Poll About The Ending
'Official' Poll For Mass Effect 3 Ending DLC


And I'll throw in the retake movement because I'm generous like that.
Retake Mass Effect on Facebook

[clone002]

looks like some ones taking in the rear from star child