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[Joccaren]

AkeasharK wrote...

Joccaren wrote...


This ending is the worst ending in the series, and possibly the worst end to a videogame I've ever seen. *snip*

This is where I stop reading. There are far worse endings to video games. Go watch the ending to Clive Barker's Jericho on youtube as one incrediably painful example.

Did that ending crap on what had been established by over 100 hours of previous games?
I didn't think so.

Taken at raw face value, the ending isn't 100% terribad. Taken in comparisson for what it is and how it affects the series, it is possibly the worst ending I have seen. Jericho on the whole was bad. Mass Effect had been good, but the ending took everything that was good and threw it out the window to give us Lost.

[ssyyllaarr]

AkeasharK wrote...

Joccaren wrote...


This ending is the worst ending in the series, and possibly the worst end to a videogame I've ever seen. *snip*

This is where I stop reading. There are far worse endings to video games. Go watch the ending to Clive Barker's Jericho on youtube as one incrediably painful example.

i enjoyed jericho.....

[Pissed0ff]

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

We appreciate your feedback!  I'm gonna take this moment to steal your thread though
 social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10926340

[The Night Mammoth]

Gigamantis wrote...

Integrity matters. 

Yes. 


Yes it does. 

Good thing they're upholding their integrity by doing something about this **** **** of an ending then.

[Gigamantis]

Joccaren wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

It's just proof that the company is willing to differ it's creative decisions to the fans, and the fans aren't who I want writing for Bioware.  I don't like the idea of your influence tainting their work so if they open those flood-gates I want no part of them.  Not exactly the holocaust, I'll just be playing other games. 

Integrity matters. 

I'm sorry, but do you even know what artistic integrity is?
Its not 'Once its finished it can never be changed', in fact the best quote relating to finished art is this: "Art is never finished, it is only abandoned".
No, artistic integrity says that the final decision lies with the artist as to what happens with their work. They decide to change the endings, their artistic integrity is 100% intact because THEY decided to change them. It doesn't matter their reasons, THEY decided to change the turd they released, and hopefully improve it.
You are just as infringing upon their integrity by claiming they shouldn't change the endings as the fans who are claiming they should are. You are putting your wants before the wants of the artists. Worse, you are assuming you know the wants of the artists. You aren't defending their artistic integrity. There is no way anyone can defend it except saying 'Let them make the decision'.
And if you would be that upset about them doing things based off fan input, I suggest you leave now. You know the Tali and Garrus Romances? Fan input. We wanted those romances, we got them. Apparently Bioware's integrity is now ruined forever, and you should go play other games.

The best part is, any ending DLC wouldn't be forced on players either. People who like the original endings could keep them. People who don't could pay more for a different set. A new set of endings will not destroy anything. The only place it could do such a thing is in your own mind.

Artistic integrity is sticking with your artistic vision, period.  If I'm inspired to write a great novel and a bunch of children yell at me because they want a picture book I have a decision to make as an artist.  I can either see through my inspiration or just half-heartedly create the picture book to stop the crying.  The picture book will be crap because my hearts not in it, but I could sacrifice my integrity to stop the crying.  

[Silmane]

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

You must've forgot the Battle of the Citadel. 

Vigil
Driving Mako through a mass relay
Chasing saren
space walking on the citadel with soveriegn in the background
all those great cutscenes in real time engine, looking better than ingame 2012 ME3
the music in all those scenes
being able to talk Saren down or fight him
that suspense of Shepard almost being killed from a piece of sovereign

that climatic, intense and overwhelming end to one of the greats in video games. 

guess you'd rather get cut corners, lousy level design, some pianos and incoherent plot devices worse than Ultimecia. 

you trollin and you know it.

[clone002]

Gigamantis wrote...

Joccaren wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

It's just proof that the company is willing to differ it's creative decisions to the fans, and the fans aren't who I want writing for Bioware.  I don't like the idea of your influence tainting their work so if they open those flood-gates I want no part of them.  Not exactly the holocaust, I'll just be playing other games. 

Integrity matters. 

I'm sorry, but do you even know what artistic integrity is?
Its not 'Once its finished it can never be changed', in fact the best quote relating to finished art is this: "Art is never finished, it is only abandoned".
No, artistic integrity says that the final decision lies with the artist as to what happens with their work. They decide to change the endings, their artistic integrity is 100% intact because THEY decided to change them. It doesn't matter their reasons, THEY decided to change the turd they released, and hopefully improve it.
You are just as infringing upon their integrity by claiming they shouldn't change the endings as the fans who are claiming they should are. You are putting your wants before the wants of the artists. Worse, you are assuming you know the wants of the artists. You aren't defending their artistic integrity. There is no way anyone can defend it except saying 'Let them make the decision'.
And if you would be that upset about them doing things based off fan input, I suggest you leave now. You know the Tali and Garrus Romances? Fan input. We wanted those romances, we got them. Apparently Bioware's integrity is now ruined forever, and you should go play other games.

The best part is, any ending DLC wouldn't be forced on players either. People who like the original endings could keep them. People who don't could pay more for a different set. A new set of endings will not destroy anything. The only place it could do such a thing is in your own mind.

Artistic integrity is sticking with your artistic vision, period.  If I'm inspired to write a great novel and a bunch of children yell at me because they want a picture book I have a decision to make as an artist.  I can either see through my inspiration or just half-heartedly create the picture book to stop the crying.  The picture book will be crap because my hearts not in it, but I could sacrifice my integrity to stop the crying.  

not all of us want to take it in the rear from starchild

[TheLostGenius]

actually. despite each game being excellent, the actual endings in all three games were really just servicable. 3 carried on the tradition. The experience is in playing and making the choices, and forcing the developers into decision calculus programming so the 360 version would have like 10 discs and the game would be delayed for 6 years.

[Gigamantis]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Integrity matters. 

Yes. 


Yes it does. 

Good thing they're upholding their integrity by doing something about this **** **** of an ending then.

If they supplement the ending with more information on how it all came to be I won't be bothered.  If they do any of the horrible ideas you people came up with on these forums I won't be able to stomach future Bioware work, since I'll know the untalent on these forums will be behind it. 

[xxskyshadowxx]

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

It's a carbon copy of the original Deus Ex ending, right down to the same colors....linked to the ME series with a steaming pile of plot holes. They should at least create an original ending, if nothing else. I am glad that you enjoyed the ending, but ugh....ripping someone else's ending as the cap of an epic trilogy is well beneath Bioware. It's nor at all beneath EA...but Bioware? No....they are better than that.

[clone002]

Gigamantis wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Integrity matters. 

Yes. 


Yes it does. 

Good thing they're upholding their integrity by doing something about this **** **** of an ending then.

If they supplement the ending with more information on how it all came to be I won't be bothered.  If they do any of the horrible ideas you people came up with on these forums I won't be able to stomach future Bioware work, since I'll know the untalent on these forums will be behind it. 

star child really likes your decision, now bend over like sheperd.

[Gigamantis]

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

It's a carbon copy of the original Deus Ex ending, right down to the same colors....linked to the ME series with a steaming pile of plot holes. They should at least create an original ending, if nothing else. I am glad that you enjoyed the ending, but ugh....ripping someone else's ending as the cap of an epic trilogy is well beneath Bioware. It's nor at all beneath EA...but Bioware? No....they are better than that.

Didn't play Deus Ex so can't really qualify whether you're exaggerating, lying or whatever.  Regardless, the ending in ME3 was a moving and intense experience.

[The Night Mammoth]

Gigamantis wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Integrity matters. 

Yes. 


Yes it does. 

Good thing they're upholding their integrity by doing something about this **** **** of an ending then.

If they supplement the ending with more information on how it all came to be I won't be bothered.  If they do any of the horrible ideas you people came up with on these forums I won't be able to stomach future Bioware work, since I'll know the untalent on these forums will be behind it. 

I'd take the so called 'untalent' on this forum over whoever thought this ending was a good idea. 

At least some of the ideas I've seen make sense, are consistent with the themes and premise, run logically with the plot, and don't have a heep of holes. 

Some of the more elaborate ones aren't so good, but any monkey can think up a better way to conlude the series than this. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 03 avril 2012 - 03:41 .

[ssyyllaarr]

Gigamantis wrote...

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

It's a carbon copy of the original Deus Ex ending, right down to the same colors....linked to the ME series with a steaming pile of plot holes. They should at least create an original ending, if nothing else. I am glad that you enjoyed the ending, but ugh....ripping someone else's ending as the cap of an epic trilogy is well beneath Bioware. It's nor at all beneath EA...but Bioware? No....they are better than that.

Didn't play Deus Ex so can't really qualify whether you're exaggerating, lying or whatever.  Regardless, the ending in ME3 was a moving and intense experience.

look up the Deus Ex ending yourself 

[Gigamantis]

clone002 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Integrity matters. 

Yes. 


Yes it does. 

Good thing they're upholding their integrity by doing something about this **** **** of an ending then.

If they supplement the ending with more information on how it all came to be I won't be bothered.  If they do any of the horrible ideas you people came up with on these forums I won't be able to stomach future Bioware work, since I'll know the untalent on these forums will be behind it. 

star child really likes your decision, now bend over like sheperd.

Right, Shepard should've kicked his ass then flipped off the reapers, delivered a sexy die hard one-liner, then pushed a big red button that tore those reapers apart.  Then Anderson should run up and the credits should roll on a freeze frame of them high-fiving. 

I totally want the BSN community to write the next big Bioware game. 

Modifié par Gigamantis, 03 avril 2012 - 03:43 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Gigamantis wrote...

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

It's a carbon copy of the original Deus Ex ending, right down to the same colors....linked to the ME series with a steaming pile of plot holes. They should at least create an original ending, if nothing else. I am glad that you enjoyed the ending, but ugh....ripping someone else's ending as the cap of an epic trilogy is well beneath Bioware. It's nor at all beneath EA...but Bioware? No....they are better than that.

Didn't play Deus Ex so can't really qualify whether you're exaggerating, lying or whatever.  Regardless, the ending in ME3 was a moving and intense experience.

Deus Ex askes you to pick between literally the same three choices at the end, color coded in the exact same way, chosen throught pretty much the same mechanism. 

But hey, at least the plot fit with that. 

Mass Effect? No, not at all. 

[QuarkZ26]

ME's law: If you create a topic with the subject "I loved the ending" the chance that people will actually answer and the thread will be 50 pages long is 100%

[Gigamantis]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Integrity matters. 

Yes. 


Yes it does. 

Good thing they're upholding their integrity by doing something about this **** **** of an ending then.

If they supplement the ending with more information on how it all came to be I won't be bothered.  If they do any of the horrible ideas you people came up with on these forums I won't be able to stomach future Bioware work, since I'll know the untalent on these forums will be behind it. 

I'd take the so called 'untalent' on this forum over whoever thought this ending was a good idea. 

At least some of the ideas I've seen make sense, are consistent with the themes and premise, run logically with the plot, and don't have a heep of holes. 

Some of the more elaborate ones aren't so good, but any monkey can think up a better way to conlude the series than this. 

Most of the ideas I've seen on the forums are so bland and unbearable I actually felt older after reading them, and yes the convoluted ones from the fans were horrible.  I'll take a couple plot-holes over the drivel I've seen here any day. 

[clone002]

Gigamantis wrote...

clone002 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Integrity matters. 

Yes. 


Yes it does. 

Good thing they're upholding their integrity by doing something about this **** **** of an ending then.

If they supplement the ending with more information on how it all came to be I won't be bothered.  If they do any of the horrible ideas you people came up with on these forums I won't be able to stomach future Bioware work, since I'll know the untalent on these forums will be behind it. 

star child really likes your decision, now bend over like sheperd.

Right, Shepard should've kicked his ass then flipped off the reapers, delivered a sexy die hard one-liner, then pushed a big red button that tore those reapers apart.  Then Anderson should run up and the credits should roll on a freeze frame of them high-fiving. 

I totally want the BSN community to write the next big Bioware game. 

no one wrote that???? and if they did im positive they were joking, but even that would be better

[The Night Mammoth]

Gigamantis wrote...

Right, Shepard should've kicked his ass then flipped off the reapers, delivered a sexy die hard one-liner, then pushed a big red button that tore those reapers apart.  Then Anderson should run up and the credits should roll on a freeze frame of them high-fiving. 

I totally want the BSN community to write the next big Bioware game. 

So do I, that sounds infintiely more fitting than what what we got. 

[Well]

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

www.youtube.com/watch

[Alamar2078]

I'm glad you enjoy the endings.

For me I can't really look past the Genocide of synthetics in the "destroy" ending.

The Ethnocide is the synthesis ending is actually worse than genocide and the message here seems to be that it's OK to destroy diversity in order to solve your problems.

At least the Control ending only involved suicide -- kinda bad when that's the high point.

[The Night Mammoth]

Gigamantis wrote...

Most of the ideas I've seen on the forums are so bland and unbearable I actually felt older after reading them, and yes the convoluted ones from the fans were horrible.  I'll take a couple plot-holes over the drivel I've seen here any day. 

I'd take the supposed drivel over the fecal matter I witnessed after 36 hours of playing the game. 

[Gigamantis]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Right, Shepard should've kicked his ass then flipped off the reapers, delivered a sexy die hard one-liner, then pushed a big red button that tore those reapers apart.  Then Anderson should run up and the credits should roll on a freeze frame of them high-fiving. 

I totally want the BSN community to write the next big Bioware game. 

So do I, that sounds infintiely more fitting than what what we got. 

Yep, and this is exactly why I'm done with Bioware if they start giving the "fans" creative control.  I'm glad you liked that inane ending I cooked up, I really am. 

[gnaag]

Theres no point in arguing about the game/ending with people so intrenched in their personal beliefs. The fact is the majority of people are unhappy with how the game ended (i'm one of those), if you don't think its a majority please seriously learn statistics.

If bioware changes the ending they will surely upset some like the op who thinks it will ruin their game (they are taking ownership over bioware product) and say they will no longer buy from bioware. If bioware only adds clarification and the people who dislike the ending say the game for them is still ruined (those of us who dislike the ending also take ownership of the game) and they will no longer be customers of bioware. Its up to bioware one what they do, I personally want a new ending(s) and frankly wouldn't mind one being happy (in the midst of genocide occuring, I'd really hate to see what a "bad" ending is).

As for the topic of art ................ it BS why because art is subjective. I like the quote "I don't know what art is but I know what I like" because thats what it comes down to. If you use paintings as an example I like the dutch masters and would call it art but find picasso utter crap and don't think of it as art; its up to the individual.

The OP admits to there being plot holes or things that need more clarification in the current endings but overall he/she is happy with it...fine thats your opinion and your welcome to it. But for me it made no sense and was poor writing. Does the OP opinion have more weight than my opinion no and vice versa.

The argument for those who dislike the ending is that bioware promised things that would be in the game (namely the ending choices whould not be A,B,C) this is not hype its false advertising. If that were not the case why would a company like amazon offer full refunds and stop selling ME3 (not sure if that was true) if they did not believe what bioware said was hype and not false advertising.
If bioware has integrity then they should live up to the promises they made, the OP may not agree with that but too bad, thats a reality of business.

I have as much right to complain that the product I got was not what was promised as you have to say the product was great. It personal opinion. You don't have to like people protesting and calling for a change in the ending but that is their right to do so as it is also your right to like the ending and say so and disagree with them.

I hope they change the endings. (hate, dislike or disagree with me all you like because I don't care and I don't have time for hate).