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[Gigamantis]

Theres no point in arguing about the game/ending with people so intrenched in their personal beliefs. The fact is the majority of people are unhappy with how the game ended (i'm one of those), if you don't think its a majority please seriously learn statistics.

If you think a few polls on the "complain here" forums are statistically sufficient to claim a majority of MILLIONS of people, then you should probably learn statistics.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Gigamantis wrote...

Right, Shepard should've kicked his ass then flipped off the reapers, delivered a sexy die hard one-liner, then pushed a big red button that tore those reapers apart.  Then Anderson should run up and the credits should roll on a freeze frame of them high-fiving. 

I totally want the BSN community to write the next big Bioware game. 

Damn, in less than a minute you managed to come up with a substantially better ending than the crap we got. Bioware should hire this guy.

[Fallen SeeD]

Gigamantis wrote...

Joccaren wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

It's just proof that the company is willing to differ it's creative decisions to the fans, and the fans aren't who I want writing for Bioware.  I don't like the idea of your influence tainting their work so if they open those flood-gates I want no part of them.  Not exactly the holocaust, I'll just be playing other games. 

Integrity matters. 

I'm sorry, but do you even know what artistic integrity is?
Its not 'Once its finished it can never be changed', in fact the best quote relating to finished art is this: "Art is never finished, it is only abandoned".
No, artistic integrity says that the final decision lies with the artist as to what happens with their work. They decide to change the endings, their artistic integrity is 100% intact because THEY decided to change them. It doesn't matter their reasons, THEY decided to change the turd they released, and hopefully improve it.
You are just as infringing upon their integrity by claiming they shouldn't change the endings as the fans who are claiming they should are. You are putting your wants before the wants of the artists. Worse, you are assuming you know the wants of the artists. You aren't defending their artistic integrity. There is no way anyone can defend it except saying 'Let them make the decision'.
And if you would be that upset about them doing things based off fan input, I suggest you leave now. You know the Tali and Garrus Romances? Fan input. We wanted those romances, we got them. Apparently Bioware's integrity is now ruined forever, and you should go play other games.

The best part is, any ending DLC wouldn't be forced on players either. People who like the original endings could keep them. People who don't could pay more for a different set. A new set of endings will not destroy anything. The only place it could do such a thing is in your own mind.

Artistic integrity is sticking with your artistic vision, period.  If I'm inspired to write a great novel and a bunch of children yell at me because they want a picture book I have a decision to make as an artist.  I can either see through my inspiration or just half-heartedly create the picture book to stop the crying.  The picture book will be crap because my hearts not in it, but I could sacrifice my integrity to stop the crying.  

There was no "artistic integrity", that was throw out when they decided to throw out whats his face ( Drew ) storyboard of what the game setting was and should be. Now thats all fine with what they did for ME2, but yes there is no artistic integrity in somthing they slapped together all to make it in time for the quarterly profits.

Modifié par Fallen SeeD, 03 avril 2012 - 03:54 .

[The Night Mammoth]

Gigamantis wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Right, Shepard should've kicked his ass then flipped off the reapers, delivered a sexy die hard one-liner, then pushed a big red button that tore those reapers apart.  Then Anderson should run up and the credits should roll on a freeze frame of them high-fiving. 

I totally want the BSN community to write the next big Bioware game. 

So do I, that sounds infintiely more fitting than what what we got. 

Yep, and this is exactly why I'm done with Bioware if they start giving the "fans" creative control.  I'm glad you liked that inane ending I cooked up, I really am. 

Evidently they could do with a bit of creative control, it'll stop them churning out piles of dung like ME3's ending and DA2. 

[clone002]

Gigamantis wrote...

Theres no point in arguing about the game/ending with people so intrenched in their personal beliefs. The fact is the majority of people are unhappy with how the game ended (i'm one of those), if you don't think its a majority please seriously learn statistics.

If you think a few polls on the "complain here" forums are statistically sufficient to claim a majority of MILLIONS of people, then you should probably learn statistics.

then be done with bioware, your not needed

[Gigamantis]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Right, Shepard should've kicked his ass then flipped off the reapers, delivered a sexy die hard one-liner, then pushed a big red button that tore those reapers apart.  Then Anderson should run up and the credits should roll on a freeze frame of them high-fiving. 

I totally want the BSN community to write the next big Bioware game. 

Damn, in less than a minute you managed to come up with a substantially better ending than the crap we got. Bioware should hire this guy.

LOL!  I love how you guys insist on proving my point.  I purposely came up with the most horrendous, uncreative, cliched way to possibly end this game and you all insist on praising it.  This is why you all shouldn't have any control over the creative end of anything.  THIS is why I'm done with Bioware the second they hand you people control. 

then be done with bioware, your not needed

Hold up there, champ.  They didn't let you write the ending yet.  The second I see one of your horrible ideas on a DLC is when I'll be done.  

Fortunately I think Bioware is just going to expand on THEIR ending, which is fine.  

Modifié par Gigamantis, 03 avril 2012 - 03:56 .

[Admiral H. Cain]

QUICK! KILL IT WITH FIRE!

[ssyyllaarr]

lol epicness om nom nom my popcorn

[xxskyshadowxx]

Gigamantis wrote...

xxskyshadowxx wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

It's a carbon copy of the original Deus Ex ending, right down to the same colors....linked to the ME series with a steaming pile of plot holes. They should at least create an original ending, if nothing else. I am glad that you enjoyed the ending, but ugh....ripping someone else's ending as the cap of an epic trilogy is well beneath Bioware. It's nor at all beneath EA...but Bioware? No....they are better than that.

Didn't play Deus Ex so can't really qualify whether you're exaggerating, lying or whatever.  Regardless, the ending in ME3 was a moving and intense experience.

I wouldn't lie about it. Even if I didn't love Bioware, I wouldn't accuse them of ripping from another game if it wasn't painfully clear that they had.

Deus Ex (the older one) ends with three player choices. There is the blue control choice, the green join choice (Bioware changed it to Synthesis) and the red destroy choice....

Actually the more recent Deus Ex has three similar endings....but the original parallels with the ME3 ending much more closely.

All that aside...regardless of what choice you make, Shepard kills everyone in the galaxy. It might take a few hours for the fallout to hit earth, or even the Gilligan's planet your crew runs to, but everyone dies. And considering the fact that the Reapers were going to leave the lesser developed races alone....that effectively relegates Shepard into a role that is far worse than the role the Reapers (who turned out to be not-so-scary pawns after all) were initially playing. Garrus is Space Batman and Shepard is Space Hitler. Woot.

The only good thing is the cycle -possibly- ended and so the next cycle -might- not have to deal with the Reapers. There's no guarantee at all in any of the endings that Star kid won't simply decide to recreate the Reapers if he doesn't like how things are playing out in the next cycle tho'.

Again....nothing wrong with you liking the ending....but there is also nothing wrong with me NOT liking it.

[The Night Mammoth]

Gigamantis wrote...

Theres no point in arguing about the game/ending with people so intrenched in their personal beliefs. The fact is the majority of people are unhappy with how the game ended (i'm one of those), if you don't think its a majority please seriously learn statistics.

If you think a few polls on the "complain here" forums are statistically sufficient to claim a majority of MILLIONS of people, then you should probably learn statistics.

If you think a poll on relatively impartial ground like IGN consisting of tens of thousands of people isn't sufficient I think it's probably you who has the problem. 

[gnaag]

I know statistics, and if you've seen elections they use polls of sample groups of 1000 people (in NZ they do) and they a fairly accurate. Check the german poll of 25k people and 71% said they disliked the ending. So yeah its a majority. Yawn

You are required to do nothing, least of all believe. Shut one's eyes tight or open one's arms wide, either way, one's a fool

[ahandsomeshark]

how is this thread still going

[The Night Mammoth]

Gigamantis wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Right, Shepard should've kicked his ass then flipped off the reapers, delivered a sexy die hard one-liner, then pushed a big red button that tore those reapers apart.  Then Anderson should run up and the credits should roll on a freeze frame of them high-fiving. 

I totally want the BSN community to write the next big Bioware game. 

Damn, in less than a minute you managed to come up with a substantially better ending than the crap we got. Bioware should hire this guy.

LOL!  I love how you guys insist on proving my point.  I purposely came up with the most horrendous, uncreative, cliched way to possibly end this game and you all insist on praising it.  This is why you all shouldn't have any control over the creative end of anything.  THIS is why I'm done with Bioware the second they hand you people control. 

Oh wow, you really got us there. 








Still better than ME3's ending. 

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Gigamantis wrote...

LOL!  I love how you guys insist on proving my point.  I purposely came up with the most horrendous, uncreative, cliched way to possibly end this game and you all insist on praising it.  This is why you all shouldn't have any control over the creative end of anything.  THIS is why I'm done with Bioware the second they hand you people control. 

No, thank you for proving my point. You came up with the most horrendous, uncreative, cliched way to possibly end the game and still managed to do a better job than the developers in charge of this five year series. It's not really a compliment, to you or to them. Your ending sucks. It's just that Bioware's sucks substantially more, which is itself an indication of the ending's lack of quality. If a fan can pull out a better idea from his butt with barely a minute's worth of thought, that says alot about what the devs accomplished.

Modifié par BaladasDemnevanni, 03 avril 2012 - 03:58 .

[ahandsomeshark]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Theres no point in arguing about the game/ending with people so intrenched in their personal beliefs. The fact is the majority of people are unhappy with how the game ended (i'm one of those), if you don't think its a majority please seriously learn statistics.

If you think a few polls on the "complain here" forums are statistically sufficient to claim a majority of MILLIONS of people, then you should probably learn statistics.

If you think a poll on relatively impartial ground like IGN consisting of tens of thousands of people isn't sufficient I think it's probably you who has the problem. 

more importantly why would bioware have even responded, or why would any of these sites be covering it if it was only a select few nerd raging?

[Admiral H. Cain]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

how is this thread still going

QFT.

I suggested fire.

[dkear1]

Gigamantis wrote...

Theres no point in arguing about the game/ending with people so intrenched in their personal beliefs. The fact is the majority of people are unhappy with how the game ended (i'm one of those), if you don't think its a majority please seriously learn statistics.

If you think a few polls on the "complain here" forums are statistically sufficient to claim a majority of MILLIONS of people, then you should probably learn statistics.

Sorry, you seem to be exhibiting a complete lack of understanding on sample sizes and how they work.  Most polls only collect sample sizes of 2 or 3 thousand and only have errors of 3-5%.

If people are so happy why are the amazon ratings so low?  Unlike Metacritic, you actually have to have purchased the game to rate/review it.  Regardless of which version (PC, 360 or PS3) it has consistently been a 2 or at the most a 3 out of 5 from the users. 

[ssyyllaarr]

Gigamantis wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Right, Shepard should've kicked his ass then flipped off the reapers, delivered a sexy die hard one-liner, then pushed a big red button that tore those reapers apart.  Then Anderson should run up and the credits should roll on a freeze frame of them high-fiving. 

I totally want the BSN community to write the next big Bioware game. 

Damn, in less than a minute you managed to come up with a substantially better ending than the crap we got. Bioware should hire this guy.

LOL!  I love how you guys insist on proving my point.  I purposely came up with the most horrendous, uncreative, cliched way to possibly end this game and you all insist on praising it.  This is why you all shouldn't have any control over the creative end of anything.  THIS is why I'm done with Bioware the second they hand you people control. 

then be done with bioware, your not needed

Hold up there, champ.  They didn't let you write the ending yet.  The second I see one of your horrible ideas on a DLC is when I'll be done.  

Fortunately I think Bioware is just going to expand on THEIR ending, which is fine.  

lol this guys getting trolled and taking it seriously hahahaha i need to make more popcorn 

[Dragonfable of Dain]

I wouldn't mind as much if there wasn't evidence that the creators just didn't give two sh)%^. First of there is that glitch in the flashback sequence that defults your LI image to Liara if you romanced a character in ME2 and Tali walked out of the Normandy in the ending when she was with me on Earth!!! If Bioware actually took the ending seriously I wouldn't be here complaining, however they just didn't care.

[adam32867]

Gigamantis wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

Someone that is ether a troll or some "fan" that does not care about the plot holes and inconsistencies in the last 5 min of the game.

Again, some plot-holes aren't the end of the world in what was an otherwise moving and intense ending.  It's about being a fan without being a psychotic about it.  It makes everything much more enjoyable. 

yeah other stuff has plot holes as well, but few have holes you could drive an 18 wheeler through. the game was amazing till things got ridiculous

[dkear1]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

LOL!  I love how you guys insist on proving my point.  I purposely came up with the most horrendous, uncreative, cliched way to possibly end this game and you all insist on praising it.  This is why you all shouldn't have any control over the creative end of anything.  THIS is why I'm done with Bioware the second they hand you people control. 

No, thank you for proving my point. You came up with the most horrendous, uncreative, cliched way to possibly end the game and still managed to do a better job than the developers in charge of this five year series. It's not really a compliment, to you or to them. Your ending sucks. It's just that Bioware's sucks substantially more, which is itself an indication of the ending's lack of quality. If a fan can pull out a better idea from his butt with barely a minute's worth of thought, that says alot about what the devs accomplished.

ROFL!!!  This is sad....and even worse....it is true.   Bioware blew the ending so badly it would be hard to make one worse.

[wantedman dan]

Gigamantis wrote...

Theres no point in arguing about the game/ending with people so intrenched in their personal beliefs. The fact is the majority of people are unhappy with how the game ended (i'm one of those), if you don't think its a majority please seriously learn statistics.

If you think a few polls on the "complain here" forums are statistically sufficient to claim a majority of MILLIONS of people, then you should probably learn statistics.

Stats 101: polls of convenience are going to produce polarizing results, however it is statistically important that the polarizing results are very, very lopsided.

Everyone thinks they know a little bit, but the more you learn, you realize you really don't know much.

[Gigamantis]

gnaag wrote...

I know statistics, and if you've seen elections they use polls of sample groups of 1000 people (in NZ they do) and they a fairly accurate. Check the german poll of 25k people and 71% said they disliked the ending. So yeah its a majority. Yawn

You are required to do nothing, least of all believe. Shut one's eyes tight or open one's arms wide, either way, one's a fool

Again, we're talking about MILLIONS of people, so just stop.  I didn't say there weren't enough angry people to flood a forum, jack up a poll or review bomb a random website.  Forum polls are inherently biased towards unhappy people for OBVIOUS reasons.  People only show up on forums to complain.  

These aren't scientifically conducted polls so they're statistically useless.  That's all I'm saying.  It may very well be the majority who's unhappy, but there's no proof either way. 

[Navywife64]

OP that is cool that you liked it. I really did not, I felt it didn't follow the story line and felt out of place. I do agree it was produced very well but it felt like it belonged in a different story. Have fun, be kind and hugs.

[Dragonfable of Dain]

adam32867 wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Yes, I know.  Blah blah need more explanation.  Blah blah I'm sad because everyone died and my choices didn't change the ending enough to make me less sad in future playthroughs.  

The ending was the most well produced and moving one in the entire series.  Definitely a fitting conclusion. 

I'm all for lobbying to fill in a few of the plotholes with explanations, maybe in future DLC, but man can you people overreact like no one else on the planet.  They had better not change the ending.  The game was fantastic. 

Someone that is ether a troll or some "fan" that does not care about the plot holes and inconsistencies in the last 5 min of the game.

Again, some plot-holes aren't the end of the world in what was an otherwise moving and intense ending.  It's about being a fan without being a psychotic about it.  It makes everything much more enjoyable. 

yeah other stuff has plot holes as well, but few have holes you could drive an 18 wheeler through. the game was amazing till things got ridiculous

The fact that Bioware didn't fix the flashback issue for your LI in ME2 and the fact that characters that were with you on Earth can exit the Normandy in the end show that there was absolutely no Fu($ given.