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[Ponce de Leon]

Seriously? Hahaha! Than that kiddo templar wasn't wrong after all...

[kevinwastaken]

That hypocrite!

[Twenynge]

Who is Irving Hinkton?

[Cuiva]

Irving = First Enchanter.



I did that too, btw. It was really funny. Too bad it has no consequences.. ^^

[Roxlimn]

Cullen was right! You should have just killed them all!

[Silensfurtim]

oh teh hypocrite!



but then again, hes the 1st enchanter. he has mastered the fade already.

[Dreogan]

It's also fun to make Wynne a blood mage.

[TastyLaksa]

I was quite disappointed by the game's lack of reaction of me becoming a blood mage. Sad really. It's like they didn;t even notice

[Roxlimn]

Maybe the game is making a point - all the Circle Mages ARE blood mages - it's just that the savvy ones are better at hiding it from the Templars!

[Varenus Luckmann]

TastyLaksa wrote...

I was quite disappointed by the game's lack of reaction of me becoming a blood mage. Sad really. It's like they didn;t even notice

No-one notices any of your specialization choices. And yes, that is sad.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

TastyLaksa wrote...

I was quite disappointed by the game's lack of reaction of me becoming a blood mage. Sad really. It's like they didn;t even notice

I've read that there is a point I think at the end of the Circle Tower quest, Irving or Gregoir questions you if you are a blood mage and if you say you are, then the mage/templars won't help you and if you have wynne in the party she goes nuts. Though from what I've read of it, it is kind of in the hands of the player to confirm if they are or not.

Does seem like they dropped the ball in this instance considering they made a big thing about actions having consequences. Whilst it kind of shows that the Templars didn't have as strong a grip on the mages as they thought, considering how they were pretty much prisoners in the tower, it does seem a bit of a lapse in attention. Also I could have sworn when the game was still in development they said that certain party members would refuse to let you make them into certain specialisations. Wynne and I suppose in some respects Alastair for the BM and Reaver specs.

As for Irving, as others have said, he was kinda like the 'Master' of the mages and if you remember in the Origin it is hinted that he had taken books regarding blood magic away from the others. The thing I found funny about the connor fade sequence is that when I took Morrigan in there, I didn't seem to get a chance to take the blood mage option as Morrigan was all "This ends now Demon!" iirc and so I ended up just fighting it in that instance but on 2nd playthrough when I had a mage myself, took them in and got the option.

Some people say Morrigan would be more acceptable to taking Blood mage, but considering her overall grand scheme that her and her mother cooked up, am really not sure and can actually understand why she wouldn't take it either (even if the player once again can have her go that route).

I suppose the issue lies in that if both her and Wynne couldn't take Blood magic, that would leave it to just the player and would limit the npc party members to 3 classes, 1 of which they each already have, leaving them with just Arcane Warrior/Shapeshifter for Wynne and Arcane Warrior/Spirit Healer for Morrigan, hmm... can you imagine the conversations between the two if they tried to teach the other to do their speciality? lol

I think they should have actually handled the specialisations of the NPCs in a more conversational way. That way lines could be put in where they accept/refuse to learn the specialisations. I suppose it is another situation whereby the resources were dried up.

[Maldras]

Roxlimn wrote...

Maybe the game is making a point - all the Circle Mages ARE blood mages - it's just that the savvy ones are better at hiding it from the Templars!

Methinks this has some merit.

[Varenus Luckmann]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

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I think they should have actually handled the specialisations of the NPCs in a more conversational way. That way lines could be put in where they accept/refuse to learn the specialisations. I suppose it is another situation whereby the resources were dried up.

I completely agree. I personally think that specializations overall should've been handled in a RP manner instead of a character stats manner, wheter it's you or your companions.

I furthermore think that there should've been major roleplaying involved for each, in the same manner Blood Mage, Champion and Reaver are handled. The book system feels like a cheap slap-on.

[who_is_daniel]

The game is created around making most players happy; for the stronger RPG's like yourselves there you have to convince people to unlock the specializations for you initualy. I do understand what you meen about the picking npc specializations just like in Some of NWN games, I also enjoyed that, and it would have been nice if hat was in this game as well, I am pleased that we can make the choices that we xan at least. The Specialization books are perfect for the more casual player who dose not want to deal with the RP and only wants the action (why a non RPG'er would buy the game is beyond me) or whatever the reson. It all boils down to profit, just like almost everything else (eventualy) in this world.



Note: typin this out on my iPhone and sometimes i mis it when it sugests the wrong word and changes it when I am in a hurry...I can't believe that I spent this long typing this!

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Yeah the books for some of them seem real lame, apart from in some respects the mage ones. It is known there are grimoires in the game, so makes some degree of sense for their to be ones for spirit healer, but even also blood mage, specially as during the mage origin you can find out that some of the books are missing from that room with all the books in it.



But the Arcane Warrior one really sticks out from a Mage perspective as an awesome way to gain that specialisation with the spirit planting the knowledge in your head.



Whilst I like the way Blood mage is handled as well, I actually think Champion and Reaver just seem tacked on more as titles than the people teaching the character.



Blood Mage in my opinion could have come from a Grimoire but I guess they wanted to go the 'evil' route of it only being available by getting the demon to teach it. From what I gather Jowan found out about it from reading the books that Irving later confiscated after finding out people had been reading them a lot (thanks to Uldred pointing this out and helping to identify the ones).



Anyone know if there is any 'Rangers' in the game? I don't think I've come across any which seems a bit strange how the specialisation is in there, sure I'll admit it is one of my favourite kind of rogue/scout style classes to play but from an RP PoV it would've been nice for some NPC rangers to be in the game. Specially in the Dalish section which is the most obvious area for them to be in. Maybe in a DLC? It is the only rogue specialisation that actually doesn't have an NPC that teaches it and yet there is the ability for there to be one.



In fact now I think of it, it is the only specialisation that doesn't have any RP attempt at all. What gives with that Bioware?

[Damar Stiehl]

I made Wynne a blood mage, and myself as well. I figured that grandma is probably the only one of us with enough sense of responsibility to handle the power... plus, given her fragile state, she's the least likely to abuse it.

And me, I'm on death clock anyway. Plus, after learning the Power of Blood spells at the Soldier's Peak, "true" blood magic is only a natural extension of my talents.

[Dark83]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

As for Irving, as others have said, he was kinda like the 'Master' of the mages and if you remember in the Origin it is hinted that he had taken books regarding blood magic away from the others.

Hinted? He did. They're piled up on his desk. You can ask him about it.

[Jacks-Up]

Varenus Luckmann wrote...

TastyLaksa wrote...

I was quite disappointed by the game's lack of reaction of me becoming a blood mage. Sad really. It's like they didn;t even notice

No-one notices any of your specialization choices. And yes, that is sad.

This.