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[SkaldFish]

Gigamantis wrote...
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You're way to self-important to be constructive.  

^Intense irony.

You just can't make this stuff up. [closes door, walks away]

[DOsquareZER]

Bioware took stock images and edited them to meet their own needs (hell one of them has been my desktop image for the past 3 years on and off), why wouldn't they take some of the fanbase theories and ''adopt'' them as their own. Seems to match the amount of quality that went into a majority of the rest of the third installment (rushed editing and too many CGI dependant patch jobs...yaaaay, great immersive storytelling I say /sarcasm). To be honest only 30% give or take of mass effect 3 was really worth playing the rest was crap in comparison to 1 and 2 (and 2 wasn't even that great IMO)
DLC won't fix the problems with this ''conclusion''. But if they try, i won't stop them. Folks need closure, they want choice to matter. Spending 4 years creating and editing YOUR protaganist (BW gave you pencil crayons and a basiic outline (which kinda shifted a couple times somewhere between 1,2, AND 3), you choose to colour and shade) only to have it taken away in the final 10-15 minutes (the part where bioware comes in and splashes a can of red,green,or blue all over the canvas you paid for 60$) You watch as all your time and efforts dribble away into a mess on both canvas and floor. And then sit there as the gaming company claims artistic integrity, it's their work, you can't get mad!

Modifié par doozer12, 03 avril 2012 - 03:42 .

[Craven1138]

Still no response from BW, EA? No dementi? I'm starting to get worried about PAX, people will get furious... After all this is currently regarded as worst-case scenario - BioWare continues with lies - first they promised no A, B, C endings, then they promised that they were listening...

And they stick to their ending.

[Beti88]

And here it is... The last BioWare game I've EVER bought.

[Mcfly616]

@Gigamantis

P.s...

You're an idiot lol

Stfu and get off the forums....oh and I "re-joined" after you joined...but let's not make a big deal about it.....you are single handedly the biggest troll I've seen on these forums in the last month....easily.

And still nothing has been announced. Maybe people should wait before raging.....and then, if you don't like what Bioware has to say then Rage On....but seriously everybody needs to chill until then....

Don't listen to trolls like Gigamantis....don't listen to Mexican newspapers using some Mexican EA employee as a source(Twitter even said it was speculation), don't listen to IGN or any other game site.....Just WAIT for Bioware to announce whatever it is....

[weltraumhamster89]

doozer12 wrote...

Bioware took stock images and edited them to meet their own needs (hell one of them has been my desktop image for the past 3 years on and off), why wouldn't they take some of the fanbase theories and ''adopt'' them as their own. Seems to match the amount of quality that went into a majority of the rest of the third installment (rushed editing and too many CGI dependant patch jobs...yaaaay, great immersive storytelling I say /sarcasm). To be honest only 30% give or take of mass effect 3 was really worth playing the rest was crap in comparison to 1 and 2 (and 2 wasn't even that great IMO)
DLC won't fix the problems with this ''conclusion''. But if they try, i won't stop them. Folks need closure, they want choice to matter. Spending 4 years creating and editing YOUR protaganist (BW gave you pencil crayons and a basiic outline (which kinda shifted a couple times somewhere between 1,2, AND 3), you choose to colour and shade) only to have it taken away in the final 10-15 minutes (the part where bioware comes in and splashes a can of red,green,or blue all over the canvas you paid for 60$) You watch as all your time and efforts dribble away into a mess on both canvas and floor. And then sit there as the gaming company claims artistic integrity, it's their work, you can't get mad!

signed.

[TexasToast712]

1. This isn't in English, so I don't believe it.
2. I have never heard of this newspaper, so I don't believe it.

[Babyberry]

*sigh* This is another example of everyone in the company seemingly reading from different scripts. I doubt this EA representative really knows what's going on, but it makes me fearful of what information is being passed around all of the offices of EA, and if it will affect what we will get.

PAX can't get here fast enough. I'm ready to be excited to play the game again or walk away disappointed for good.

[ardias89]

Please dont let this be true... im breaking down here!

[wesr]

Given how they like using stock images maybe Bioware will take a random ending from another game and change it slightly and use it.

[tomcplotts]

Honestly, I can't see how this can surprise anyone. Honestly, what "clarification" is needed? I hate that position, btw, because it's patronizing as heck. It assumes gamers are just too stupid to understand their incredibly sophisticated story-telling. Seriously, I've never seen a company so eager to throw gasoline on a raging inferno to date.

Truth is, Bioware's over. I'm not happy about it either, but there's little to be done except find another company that isn't going to brag to shareholders about how they're going to charge you for every bullet in the middle of combat.

If you're serious about "holding the line" as gamers, you need to finish mourning and walk away and take your money elsewhere. Someone will value it more than these guys eventually.

[Arokel]

Just sick of the double talk and lies...

I there is no straight answer at PAX then I am done

[Unit-Alpha]

Well, this blows.

[MarkVsColin]

A new ending is a potential DLC goldmine for them, so I would imagine a new ending is in everybodys best interest

[clarkusdarkus]

doozer12 wrote...

Bioware took stock images and edited them to meet their own needs (hell one of them has been my desktop image for the past 3 years on and off), why wouldn't they take some of the fanbase theories and ''adopt'' them as their own. Seems to match the amount of quality that went into a majority of the rest of the third installment (rushed editing and too many CGI dependant patch jobs...yaaaay, great immersive storytelling I say /sarcasm). To be honest only 30% give or take of mass effect 3 was really worth playing the rest was crap in comparison to 1 and 2 (and 2 wasn't even that great IMO)
DLC won't fix the problems with this ''conclusion''. But if they try, i won't stop them. Folks need closure, they want choice to matter. Spending 4 years creating and editing YOUR protaganist (BW gave you pencil crayons and a basiic outline (which kinda shifted a couple times somewhere between 1,2, AND 3), you choose to colour and shade) only to have it taken away in the final 10-15 minutes (the part where bioware comes in and splashes a can of red,green,or blue all over the canvas you paid for 60$) You watch as all your time and efforts dribble away into a mess on both canvas and floor. And then sit there as the gaming company claims artistic integrity, it's their work, you can't get mad!

this.....couldnt agree more, the whole process since completion has left a bad taste in my mouth. they cant be bothered so i cant be bothered with them anymore. gutted tho as means i'll have to start speaking to my girlfriend more rather than my LI..

[KayB1991]

An article in a random spanish newspaper says that the ending will be that? Doubt it highly but the thought it would end up being like that is troubling. I'll just wait for Bioware's official statement and hopefully it won't be like what that article is insinuating.

[GigaTheToast]

Yeh because as we all know EA Latin America is the most reliable source for information regarding a Canada based game studio.

[Kitedtk]

where the heck did giga disappear to? i was having such fun too... damn...
oh well... still lets hope that the ending is changed... Tali deserves for shepard to come back alive!

[Arokel]

GigaTheToast wrote...

Yeh because as we all know EA Latin America is the most reliable source for information regarding a Canada based game studio.

Yeah the Latin America part kinda does reduce its credibility considerably.

Probably would trust it more than the China branch though.

[Arokel]

Kitedtk wrote...

where the heck did giga disappear to? i was having such fun too... damn...
oh well... still lets hope that the ending is changed... Tali deserves for shepard to come back alive!

Im so glad that troll is gone.

So many things I would love to say about him

[ed87]

EA wants to protect 'artistic integrity'. It is their mission

[The Mercenary55]

 well this sucks if its true.

cant believe their gunna end their best trilogy on such a god awful 10 min. cant understand why they thought it was a good idea.

anyway i'll wait to hear the bioware announcement until i come to a conclusion but i can say they wont get any money outta me for dlc or future bioware/ea games if they let something i invested so much time and emotion into end on a such a depressing and philosophical underlying message BS.

a game is first and foremost a game.

[DOsquareZER]

wesr wrote...

Given how they like using stock images maybe Bioware will take a random ending from another game and change it slightly and use it.

They did that all ready (basically).  Its a combo between an anime I caught glimpses of that my nephew watched, and Dues Ex (which Mr. Hudson thoroughly enjoyed btw).  There's nothing much really in mass effect that hasn't been done by another movie, sci fi tv series, or video game - most the elements that make mass effect great is because theyve all ready been used by someone else and were also great (star trek, matrix, BSG, firefly, terminator, aliens, superman, Batman, Duex Ex, a couple animes I cant remeber titles to atm, hell - even biblical stories got meshed in *change names, chaacters, same plot* etc etc etc).

[mxfox408]

Gigamantis wrote...

If someone sends in a suggestion that they like.. i doubt they'd take it
as is... oh maybe they'd give the idea to their... i don't know...
professional writing staff for them to write it up properly? maybe...
Also i don't see why some of the suggestions wouldn't be just accepted
right away... some of the people making those theories are also
professional writers... so please take your biased opinion on fans and
bin it.
So just because i don't own the rights to make money off of
the content i can't be constructive? wow you are really a genious. truly
thy mind is a brilliant gem. Also please stop implying that i paid
dollars... i paid euros and it was more than 60. even if they Own
something, when they sell us that something they have promises to keep,
if they fail. we have a right to demand that the promises be upheld.

also...
the ending would have been acceptable in a game that was a completely
forced linear narrative... that is something the mass effect series has
definately not been... hence a forced single end is an insult the the
very game series.

The suggestions on this forum are horrible and if Bioware did accept them it would be a heartless gesture completely devoid of integrity.  It would be an embarrassment. 

As for your crap about being lied to; there's no such thing as a promise in development.  Anything stated in development is just a goal and OFTEN WILL CHANGE.  That's reality, deal with it.  

Finally, I didn't say you have to make money to be constructive.  You have to understand that it's THEIR GAME to be constructive.  You don't understand that.  You think all that content is yours and that gives you the illusion that you have the right to change it.  You're way to self-important to be constructive.  

Yes things change when they are in development, but if they change, advertising and marketing on it, then not delivering is called false advertisment. If they add a new ending via DLC plain and simple don't buy it if you don't like it. That way you can keep the ending you want and retakers can get what they want. There are a lot of constructive posts and for you to insult them, its called trolling. Also its biowares story and they can tell it how they want, doesn't mean I have to buy anything else from them after this tho. Now if they decide to change or edit it, its called customer service, and if they don't appease their customers, then they risk loosing alot. But I guess they want to gamble with that.

Modifié par mxfox408, 03 avril 2012 - 04:04 .

[chuckwells62]

Dr. Muzyka only said that a "clarification" would be forthcoming, so hoping for much more than that - despite what customers specifically want - is problematic. However, no matter how their less aggravated fans and media toadies spin the controversy, there exists no amount of CLARIFICATION in any way, shape or form that can redress lying to your paying customers.

So if Biowares forthcoming "clarification" dlc fails to honor the following statements, then a charge of "lying" based solely on company officials own pre-release information would be warranted: Mac Walters (Lead Writer): “[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”; “I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are optimal for different people “;

Casey Hudson (Director): “For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations.”; “Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.” “Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.” Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?” Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”; Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?” Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.” “We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.”; “The whole idea of Mass Effect3 is resolving all of the biggest questions, about the Protheans and the Reapers, and being in the driver's seat to end the galaxy and all of these big plot lines, to decide what civilizations are going to live or die: All of these things are answered in Mass Effect 3.”; “There is a huge set of consequences that start stacking up as you approach the end-game. And even in terms of the ending itself, it continues to break down to some very large decisions. So it's not like a classic game ending where everything is linear and you make a choice between a few things - it really does layer in many, many different choices, up to the final moments, where it's going to be different for everyone who plays it.”

Mike Gamble (Associate Producer): “And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.”; “There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…”; “Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens." “You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.” “Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you didn't make”; Mass Effect 3 will shake up the player's moral choices more than ever before, even going so far as allowing the Reapers to win the battle for Earth; "Of course you don’t have to play multiplayer, you can choose to play all the side-quests in single-player and do all that stuff you’ll still get all the same endings and same information, it’s just a totally different way of playing"

Ray Muzyka (co-founder/Bioware): “I just finished an end to end playthrough, for me the ending was the most satisfying of any game I’ve ever played….the decisions you make in this game are epic,” “The team has been planning for this for years, since the beginning of the Mass Effect franchise. Largely the same team, most of the same leads have worked on this for years and years. They’ve thought about [the ending] for years and years. It’s not something they’ve had to solve in a week or a month even, but over the course of five or ten years.”