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[Little Princess Peach]

Arokel wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

>.> you have to be joking if I wanted an epilouge I would replay DAO
' guess an explination is better than nothing just hope we dont have to pay for it

EA releasing something for free?


:lol::lol::lol::lol:


Who do you think they are?  CD Projekt?

hopeful thinking project more like but if they make us pay 20 pounds or so for 15 minutes alot of people will feel like a neuterd Krogan

[guz1123]

Modifié par guz1123, 03 avril 2012 - 05:16 .

[Ashilana]

Mojenator12345 wrote...

The only "clarification" I want is: "We were completely stoned out of our gourds and thought the godkid would be super wicked. We realize now that the ending was a colossal failure and sincerely apologize. We value our fans and promise to make this right with several completely new endings to the game."

There you go -- ending clarified.

That is pretty much the best possible thing that could happen.  If they announced that and then made a dlc with a real ending... I would probably buy it.  Sure, I'd feel a bit used, but I would accept their honesty and give the new ending a try.

Sadly, they seem to think the endings are fine, but were just misunderstood.

[Chanvree]

GME_ThorianCreeper wrote...

So a guy CLAIMING to be from EA Latin America says they are not releasing a new ending. A guy from EA Latin America and not BioWare or EA Corprate, and a guy who likely has nothing to do with the Mass Effect series and what the developers are doing whatsoever. There is no reason for this guy to be in the loop abuot this.

I do not see how this is a legitimate source. It is as legitimate as the "employee" who "leaked" future ME3 DLC on 4chan.

I am not listening to anything anyone claiming to be from EA, especially some random PR guy from EA Latin America, not until PAX East, or until BioWare makes an official statement at least.

He never declared that there was no ending, he just talked what if the cost was too high and what will more efficient to do with said ending

[MakeMineMako]

Let's try to be patient, team. PAX or the end of April. Then make the call with your wallets.

[Persephone]

Arokel wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Arokel wrote...

Tali-vas-normandy wrote...

>.> you have to be joking if I wanted an epilouge I would replay DAO
' guess an explination is better than nothing just hope we dont have to pay for it

EA releasing something for free?


:lol::lol::lol::lol:


Who do you think they are?  CD Projekt?

Except that CDPR's free DLC (Troll nonsense & A sack full...blah blah) is nothing compared to LOTSB or Overlord.

And CDPR promised 16 endings for TW2. It has three, at BEST. So they lied as well.

Enhanced Edition for Witcher 2 will be free for people who own the game already.

And I saw nothing saying 16 endings for Witcher 2.  And there were only two endings right?

It was all over the NET. They later CLARIFIED (!) that they just meant "state of the world" differences. Not endings.

[Xaijin]

Versidious wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

This thread isn't about the quality of the ending, though, it's discussing what is perceived to be Bioware's decision on this matter. I support it because I liked the ending and because of the horrible way the fans conducted themselves, and I'm talking about the majority of you.

So, you support the "bad endings" to "punish" the people who expressed their feelings?

You miss the part where I said I liked the ending?  I support the good ending because I like it and I support Bioware's decision to disregard tantrums because I don't like tantrums.  If you had all been constructive and reasonable I'd probably want you to get some kind of new ending just because I was impressed with the community.  This place is a cesspool, though.  

I think you're being a bit harsh, there. Most of the people I've seen come and make a single post about how they loved the series, but the endings spoiled it for them, and then post nothing further. Most anti-enders I've seen will be polite to pro-enders until the pro-enders do something like call them immature, entitled, or the like. Both of which are fairly insulting, even if used passively. No doubt that the review bombers are over-emotional, but condemning a group because of the actions of their worst? That's the kind of thinking that leads to people hating Muslims because of Islamic extremists.

You of course can't please everyone, but you *can* please most people in a game, simply by having sufficient variety, so that the odds are that at least one ending will be close to the prefered emotional resonance of any one individual. Bioware promised that both implictly (via the endings of their other games) and explicitly (via press statements and interviews), and did not deliver on it. Yes, the more immature people are more likely to behave badly, because they're young and hormonal etc, but there are plenty of us adult players who are unhappy, waited to see if we'd feel better about the endings the next day, then a few days later, but found no catharsis in the end. And so we've come to campaign for the ending we feel is worthy of what was arguably the most promising sci-fi epic this century so far (it is of course early years, yet!). Please don't be put off by the fact that there *are* some vocal ****s in this community, because there are, and they are on both sides.

But that's the rub. You CAN please everyone here by crafting the actual range of endings promised and implied. Almost every complaint would go away if: the ridiculous teleporting character thing was mitigated by in-game cutscenes, if there was an actual RANGE of endings that were promised and implied, including the ones present, and if harbinger replaced the catalyst, meaning the reapers were actually scary again.

It is really that simple. Give players what they wanted and were told they were going to get, and then they will continue to buy your products and you will keep your jobs and financial security. People act like there is some giant mystical barrier that can't be opened for compromise to be reached. It's bullcrap. Pay for new ending content and ameliorate that cost by making further DLC and fixing the rampant bugs that game has.

It's really that cut and dried and the only obstacle is spending money and the willingness to do it.

Being in game design, I'm keenly aware of how much it's going to cost. I'm also keenly aware that if BW wants to survive as brand and a company long term, this is something they HAVE to do. The issue is not nearly as complicated as people are making it. The methodology to fixing it is actually rather plain.

The ONLY issue are: is EA willing to spend the money now and is BW willing to craft new content. The end. It is really that simple.

Modifié par Xaijin, 03 avril 2012 - 05:27 .

[MWMike2011]

 See, I've heard differently. A guy on Playfire claims that he is part of the project (so take it for what its worth) and that the reason they haven't announced **** isn't so much because they are waiting for PAX East, but because they have to get the voice actors back to work on a new ending. I mean, it somewhat makes sense, because @masseffect and the execs that are on Twitter won't even say whether its the new DLC or something else they are going to talk about at PAX. I keep asking, and all I get back are "you'll know soon," "asap," "nothing solid has been determined yet, April just started." Wouldn't it make sense that they would at least come right out and SAY that they are going to make the announcement at PAX East, instead of all the smoke and mirrors?

[MWMike2011]

guz1123 wrote...

This. Couldn't have put it better myself. lmao

[NReed106]

goes along with what the original announcement was.

If it's accurate I've lost faith in BW, it's sad, after years of playing the game the entire experience can be ruined by the last 10 minutes *sigh*

[Gigamantis]

Xaijin wrote...

Versidious wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

This thread isn't about the quality of the ending, though, it's discussing what is perceived to be Bioware's decision on this matter. I support it because I liked the ending and because of the horrible way the fans conducted themselves, and I'm talking about the majority of you.

So, you support the "bad endings" to "punish" the people who expressed their feelings?

You miss the part where I said I liked the ending?  I support the good ending because I like it and I support Bioware's decision to disregard tantrums because I don't like tantrums.  If you had all been constructive and reasonable I'd probably want you to get some kind of new ending just because I was impressed with the community.  This place is a cesspool, though.  

I think you're being a bit harsh, there. Most of the people I've seen come and make a single post about how they loved the series, but the endings spoiled it for them, and then post nothing further. Most anti-enders I've seen will be polite to pro-enders until the pro-enders do something like call them immature, entitled, or the like. Both of which are fairly insulting, even if used passively. No doubt that the review bombers are over-emotional, but condemning a group because of the actions of their worst? That's the kind of thinking that leads to people hating Muslims because of Islamic extremists.

You of course can't please everyone, but you *can* please most people in a game, simply by having sufficient variety, so that the odds are that at least one ending will be close to the prefered emotional resonance of any one individual. Bioware promised that both implictly (via the endings of their other games) and explicitly (via press statements and interviews), and did not deliver on it. Yes, the more immature people are more likely to behave badly, because they're young and hormonal etc, but there are plenty of us adult players who are unhappy, waited to see if we'd feel better about the endings the next day, then a few days later, but found no catharsis in the end. And so we've come to campaign for the ending we feel is worthy of what was arguably the most promising sci-fi epic this century so far (it is of course early years, yet!). Please don't be put off by the fact that there *are* some vocal ****s in this community, because there are, and they are on both sides.

But that's the rub. You CAN please everyone here by crafting the actual ange of endings promised and implied. Almost every complaint would go away if: the ridiculous teleporting character things was mitigated by in game cutscenes, if there was an actual RANGE of endings thatw as promised and implied including the ones present, and if harbinger replaced the catalyst, meaning the reapers were actually scary again.

It is really that simple. Give players what they wanted and were told they were going to get, and then they will continue to buy your products and you will keep your jobs and financial security. People act like there is some giant mystical barrier that can't be opened for compromise to be reached. It's bullcrap. Pay for new ending content and ameliorate that cost by making further DLC and fixing the rampant bugs that game has. It's really that cut and dried and the only obstacle is spending money and the willingness to do it.

Being in game design, I'm keenly aware of how much it's going to cost. I'm also keenly aware that if BW wants to survive as brand and a company long term, this is something they HAVE to do. The issue is not nearly as complicated as people are making it. The methodology to fixing it actually rather plain.

The ONLY issue are: is EA willing to spend the money now and is BW willing to craft new content. The end. It is really that simple.

The fix is unnecessary and undeserved.  They chose how they wanted to end their story and that should be the size of it, especially given the tone of Bioware's horrendous fans. 

I understand completely why Bioware isn't changing the ending, and it's also quite simple ... There's nothing more demeaning as an artist than having your work tainted by the lowest common denominator.  If Mass Effect were my universe and my creation I would definitely have my own vision for it's ending and none of your grubby little mits would touch it.

You overestimate your power to "ruin" Bioware over this.  You're only upsetting yourself and wasting words if you think the industry should hand creative control to a bunch of kids on a forum.  Writers don't generally take requests.  

[Syokhan]

Gigamantis wrote...

Snip.

Just stop it. Stop baiting. There are ways to get your point across without belittling people.

[tjc2]

Gigamantis wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

Versidious wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

This thread isn't about the quality of the ending, though, it's discussing what is perceived to be Bioware's decision on this matter. I support it because I liked the ending and because of the horrible way the fans conducted themselves, and I'm talking about the majority of you.

So, you support the "bad endings" to "punish" the people who expressed their feelings?

You miss the part where I said I liked the ending?  I support the good ending because I like it and I support Bioware's decision to disregard tantrums because I don't like tantrums.  If you had all been constructive and reasonable I'd probably want you to get some kind of new ending just because I was impressed with the community.  This place is a cesspool, though.  

I think you're being a bit harsh, there. Most of the people I've seen come and make a single post about how they loved the series, but the endings spoiled it for them, and then post nothing further. Most anti-enders I've seen will be polite to pro-enders until the pro-enders do something like call them immature, entitled, or the like. Both of which are fairly insulting, even if used passively. No doubt that the review bombers are over-emotional, but condemning a group because of the actions of their worst? That's the kind of thinking that leads to people hating Muslims because of Islamic extremists.

You of course can't please everyone, but you *can* please most people in a game, simply by having sufficient variety, so that the odds are that at least one ending will be close to the prefered emotional resonance of any one individual. Bioware promised that both implictly (via the endings of their other games) and explicitly (via press statements and interviews), and did not deliver on it. Yes, the more immature people are more likely to behave badly, because they're young and hormonal etc, but there are plenty of us adult players who are unhappy, waited to see if we'd feel better about the endings the next day, then a few days later, but found no catharsis in the end. And so we've come to campaign for the ending we feel is worthy of what was arguably the most promising sci-fi epic this century so far (it is of course early years, yet!). Please don't be put off by the fact that there *are* some vocal ****s in this community, because there are, and they are on both sides.

But that's the rub. You CAN please everyone here by crafting the actual ange of endings promised and implied. Almost every complaint would go away if: the ridiculous teleporting character things was mitigated by in game cutscenes, if there was an actual RANGE of endings thatw as promised and implied including the ones present, and if harbinger replaced the catalyst, meaning the reapers were actually scary again.

It is really that simple. Give players what they wanted and were told they were going to get, and then they will continue to buy your products and you will keep your jobs and financial security. People act like there is some giant mystical barrier that can't be opened for compromise to be reached. It's bullcrap. Pay for new ending content and ameliorate that cost by making further DLC and fixing the rampant bugs that game has. It's really that cut and dried and the only obstacle is spending money and the willingness to do it.

Being in game design, I'm keenly aware of how much it's going to cost. I'm also keenly aware that if BW wants to survive as brand and a company long term, this is something they HAVE to do. The issue is not nearly as complicated as people are making it. The methodology to fixing it actually rather plain.

The ONLY issue are: is EA willing to spend the money now and is BW willing to craft new content. The end. It is really that simple.

The fix is unnecessary and undeserved.  They chose how they wanted to end their story and that should be the size of it, especially given the tone of Bioware's horrendous fans. 

I understand completely why Bioware isn't changing the ending, and it's also quite simple ... There's nothing more demeaning as an artist than having your work tainted by the lowest common denominator.  If Mass Effect were my universe and my creation I would definitely have my own vision for it's ending and none of your grubby little mits would touch it.

You overestimate your power to "ruin" Bioware over this.  You're only upsetting yourself and wasting words if you think the industry should hand creative control to a bunch of kids on a forum.  Writers don't generally take requests.  

Its not art. The Dark Knight is not Art. ME3 is a product for Mass Consumption. The more it is consumed the more money EA/Bioware earn.

Art, in the sense that you are talking about it, is something that is not made to earn a buck, it is something made to make a statement. Art says something. ME3 says the people at Bioware/EA like making money...

Is Windows OS art, is OSX art? If consumers are unhappy with these products should Apple and Microsoft ignore them?

Modifié par tjc2, 03 avril 2012 - 05:35 .

[Kitedtk]

Gigamantis wrote...

The fix is unnecessary and undeserved.  They chose how they wanted to end their story and that should be the size of it, especially given the tone of Bioware's horrendous fans. 

I understand completely why Bioware isn't changing the ending, and it's also quite simple ... There's nothing more demeaning as an artist than having your work tainted by the lowest common denominator.  If Mass Effect were my universe and my creation I would definitely have my own vision for it's ending and none of your grubby little mits would touch it.

You overestimate your power to "ruin" Bioware over this.  You're only upsetting yourself and wasting words if you think the industry should hand creative control to a bunch of kids on a forum.  Writers don't generally take requests.  

Giga i would firstly like to point that most of what you are doing is insulting the people who are expressing their opinion and their hope, not demand, but hope that the endings get redone. Also the entire argument for artisctic integrity doesn't work very well after they break most of the promises they made about the climax pf the game and all the countless promises of choices mattering.

we can all be happy that you are merely another poster on the forum and not someone with any control over Bioware.

And as for our power to ruin Bioware. I've said several times, the only power we have is to make a point by ceasing to be patrons of Bioware. Also what is wrong with asking that a company deliver a certain kind of product? I think so many fans providing for the most part contructive and critical feedback is a good thing.

[Gigamantis]

Syokhan wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Snip.

Just stop it. Stop baiting. There are ways to get your point across without belittling people.

I'm not sure what you mean.  The people attempting to retake mass effect want creative control of the series and there's no other way for me to explain why that's such a bad idea. 

[Iconoclaste]

Gigamantis wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

This thread isn't about the quality of the ending, though, it's discussing what is perceived to be Bioware's decision on this matter. I support it because I liked the ending and because of the horrible way the fans conducted themselves, and I'm talking about the majority of you.

So, you support the "bad endings" to "punish" the people who expressed their feelings?

You miss the part where I said I liked the ending?  I support the good ending because ...

You can see why I put quote marks around the "bad endings", I suppose. This is subjective, but the point is the reasons why you would support Bioware's (not yet made) decision . I can only thank you for being "sincere", I think.

Modifié par Iconoclaste, 03 avril 2012 - 05:40 .

[Kitedtk]

Gigamantis wrote...

Syokhan wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Snip.

Just stop it. Stop baiting. There are ways to get your point across without belittling people.

I'm not sure what you mean.  The people attempting to retake mass effect want creative control of the series and there's no other way for me to explain why that's such a bad idea. 

Not control... no one is trying to dictate what kind of ending Bioware should do... but all the retakers are simply pointing out that the current ending betrays the entire series... and if this works as a democracy then i have to say the retakers seem to have the majority.
We are just telling them that this was not the ending we wanted... it was not the ending we hoped for... Bioware... please make a better ending... that's not trying to take control...

[ragnorok87]

if  this information is true then both ea and bioware will fell the repercussions years from now. both stand to lose millions and lose millions of fans.

[Syokhan]

Gigamantis wrote...

Syokhan wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Snip.

Just stop it. Stop baiting. There are ways to get your point across without belittling people.

I'm not sure what you mean.  The people attempting to retake mass effect want creative control of the series and there's no other way for me to explain why that's such a bad idea. 

Well, like this. You just said why you thought it was a bad idea ("creative control") and didn't insult anyone doing so. You don't have to call people "kids" every other post because that's not how you're going to make them listen to your arguments.

Modifié par Syokhan, 03 avril 2012 - 05:41 .

[Drake-Shepard]

they never said they will change the ending..read the statements again...its just double speak about taking on feedback and releasing more content to clarify and stuff. ...and then IGN and other articles misread it...as many people on this forum did and assumed they meant a new ending is coming.

[Versidious]

Xaijin wrote...

Versidious wrote...
Things

But that's the rub. You CAN please everyone here by crafting the actual range of endings promised and implied. Almost every complaint would go away if: the ridiculous teleporting character thing was mitigated by in-game cutscenes, if there was an actual RANGE of endings that were promised and implied, including the ones present, and if harbinger replaced the catalyst, meaning the reapers were actually scary again.

It is really that simple. Give players what they wanted and were told they were going to get, and then they will continue to buy your products and you will keep your jobs and financial security. People act like there is some giant mystical barrier that can't be opened for compromise to be reached. It's bullcrap. Pay for new ending content and ameliorate that cost by making further DLC and fixing the rampant bugs that game has.

It's really that cut and dried and the only obstacle is spending money and the willingness to do it.

Being in game design, I'm keenly aware of how much it's going to cost. I'm also keenly aware that if BW wants to survive as brand and a company long term, this is something they HAVE to do. The issue is not nearly as complicated as people are making it. The methodology to fixing it is actually rather plain.

The ONLY issue are: is EA willing to spend the money now and is BW willing to craft new content. The end. It is really that simple.

Aye, I do agree. I'm not in games design myself (Though I would like to be), but the point I was addressing is what a lot of pro-enders say: That no matter what, there would some people who didn't like the ending. And they're right. They're right because they use 'The ending' not 'the endings'. All three endings, whilst theoretically different, are the same in terms of emotional resonance, and many of the details. So you ensure that only a minority will be pleased with the outcome. You can avoid this entirely by have genuine multiple endings, and this must almost certainly include one that largely maintains the status quo - there are bound to be folks who want to do that. Then you can include your synthesis, your control, your destruction endings, though with more variety.

Bioware's trouble seems to be that they wanted one ending section. They should have had mildly diverging storylines. For example, on Thessia, they could have had you discover a clue that Cerberus was present, which is only discovered if you make the choice of taking a more dangerous route to the Cathedral, and let the Normandy know. Thus, when the Cerberus gunship attacks, it is nullified by assistance sent from the Normandy (CORTEEEEZZZZ!), and you have the Kai Leng bossfight there and then. He is killed, and you have the data. The Illusive Man then does not warn the Reapers that the Citadel is the Catalyst, and the whole context of the ending is changed. You still go and attempt to defeat Cerberus, because they're still causing you trouble whilst the Catalyst's construction is completed. But you're no longer tracking Kai Leng, you're heading to Horizon because you've discovered Miranda's there, and she knows where TIM's base is. Then you get there, have your final confrontation with TIM, then go and defend the Citadel from Reaper attack above Earth, where you deploy it as a weapon (Perhaps the strike on Earth is to stop the Reapers attacking the Citadel). Ultinmately, most of the levels are the same, only tweaked, and the final one is completely different. And that's just off the top of my head.

[Gigamantis]

Kitedtk wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

The fix is unnecessary and undeserved.  They chose how they wanted to end their story and that should be the size of it, especially given the tone of Bioware's horrendous fans. 

I understand completely why Bioware isn't changing the ending, and it's also quite simple ... There's nothing more demeaning as an artist than having your work tainted by the lowest common denominator.  If Mass Effect were my universe and my creation I would definitely have my own vision for it's ending and none of your grubby little mits would touch it.

You overestimate your power to "ruin" Bioware over this.  You're only upsetting yourself and wasting words if you think the industry should hand creative control to a bunch of kids on a forum.  Writers don't generally take requests.  

Giga i would firstly like to point that most of what you are doing is insulting the people who are expressing their opinion and their hope, not demand, but hope that the endings get redone. Also the entire argument for artisctic integrity doesn't work very well after they break most of the promises they made about the climax pf the game and all the countless promises of choices mattering.

we can all be happy that you are merely another poster on the forum and not someone with any control over Bioware.

And as for our power to ruin Bioware. I've said several times, the only power we have is to make a point by ceasing to be patrons of Bioware. Also what is wrong with asking that a company deliver a certain kind of product? I think so many fans providing for the most part contructive and critical feedback is a good thing.

I haven't insulted anyone and clearly I don't want the ending redone in this context.  I don't want half-hearted work that's outside the scope of their vision forced out of them, because that's horribly unfair and bound to be crap.  MOST of you aren't suggesting, you're not even demanding, you're flat attempting to extort.  It's gone from review bombs to chasing off everyone who admits to liking the ending in the forums. It really has been a concerted effort to sabotage the game, but sales have still been good regardless.

If MOST of the feedback had been constructive I wouldn't have much of a problem with it.  That's not even close to being the case, though.  It's been a rather blatant and depressing attempt to sabotage the game, and while it was still a failure it didn't earn this community much respect.

[CasbynessPC]

Post-ending DLC...

I want to see a CGI Casey Hudson and Mike Gamble sidle into full view on the screen like Wayne and Garth..."Pfft! as if! As if we'd end the game like THAT!...okay, let's do the scooby Doo ending..."

[Gigamantis]

Syokhan wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Syokhan wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Snip.

Just stop it. Stop baiting. There are ways to get your point across without belittling people.

I'm not sure what you mean.  The people attempting to retake mass effect want creative control of the series and there's no other way for me to explain why that's such a bad idea. 

Well, like this. You just said why you thought it was a bad idea ("creative control") and didn't insult anyone doing so. You don't have to call people "kids" every other post because that's not how you're going to make them listen to your arguments.

I didn't explain why it was a bad idea, though.  The explanation why is what requires being honest about the quality of the ideas and people on these forums. 

[Captain Arty]

Gigamantis wrote...

Xaijin wrote...

Versidious wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

Gigamantis wrote...

This thread isn't about the quality of the ending, though, it's discussing what is perceived to be Bioware's decision on this matter. I support it because I liked the ending and because of the horrible way the fans conducted themselves, and I'm talking about the majority of you.

So, you support the "bad endings" to "punish" the people who expressed their feelings?

You miss the part where I said I liked the ending?  I support the good ending because I like it and I support Bioware's decision to disregard tantrums because I don't like tantrums.  If you had all been constructive and reasonable I'd probably want you to get some kind of new ending just because I was impressed with the community.  This place is a cesspool, though.  

I think you're being a bit harsh, there. Most of the people I've seen come and make a single post about how they loved the series, but the endings spoiled it for them, and then post nothing further. Most anti-enders I've seen will be polite to pro-enders until the pro-enders do something like call them immature, entitled, or the like. Both of which are fairly insulting, even if used passively. No doubt that the review bombers are over-emotional, but condemning a group because of the actions of their worst? That's the kind of thinking that leads to people hating Muslims because of Islamic extremists.

You of course can't please everyone, but you *can* please most people in a game, simply by having sufficient variety, so that the odds are that at least one ending will be close to the prefered emotional resonance of any one individual. Bioware promised that both implictly (via the endings of their other games) and explicitly (via press statements and interviews), and did not deliver on it. Yes, the more immature people are more likely to behave badly, because they're young and hormonal etc, but there are plenty of us adult players who are unhappy, waited to see if we'd feel better about the endings the next day, then a few days later, but found no catharsis in the end. And so we've come to campaign for the ending we feel is worthy of what was arguably the most promising sci-fi epic this century so far (it is of course early years, yet!). Please don't be put off by the fact that there *are* some vocal ****s in this community, because there are, and they are on both sides.

But that's the rub. You CAN please everyone here by crafting the actual ange of endings promised and implied. Almost every complaint would go away if: the ridiculous teleporting character things was mitigated by in game cutscenes, if there was an actual RANGE of endings thatw as promised and implied including the ones present, and if harbinger replaced the catalyst, meaning the reapers were actually scary again.

It is really that simple. Give players what they wanted and were told they were going to get, and then they will continue to buy your products and you will keep your jobs and financial security. People act like there is some giant mystical barrier that can't be opened for compromise to be reached. It's bullcrap. Pay for new ending content and ameliorate that cost by making further DLC and fixing the rampant bugs that game has. It's really that cut and dried and the only obstacle is spending money and the willingness to do it.

Being in game design, I'm keenly aware of how much it's going to cost. I'm also keenly aware that if BW wants to survive as brand and a company long term, this is something they HAVE to do. The issue is not nearly as complicated as people are making it. The methodology to fixing it actually rather plain.

The ONLY issue are: is EA willing to spend the money now and is BW willing to craft new content. The end. It is really that simple.

The fix is unnecessary and undeserved.  They chose how they wanted to end their story and that should be the size of it, especially given the tone of Bioware's horrendous fans. 

I understand completely why Bioware isn't changing the ending, and it's also quite simple ... There's nothing more demeaning as an artist than having your work tainted by the lowest common denominator.  If Mass Effect were my universe and my creation I would definitely have my own vision for it's ending and none of your grubby little mits would touch it.

You overestimate your power to "ruin" Bioware over this.  You're only upsetting yourself and wasting words if you think the industry should hand creative control to a bunch of kids on a forum.  Writers don't generally take requests.  

Giga, let me ask you a simple, direct question. Do you think the ending as it stands now is a fitting conclusion to the rest of the series?

Do you think it fits the theme of all three games? Do you think it satisfies the plot? Do you think it satisfies the premise of choices affecting the outcome?

If you think it does, I would love to here you justification. If you agree that it does not, than you agree that the ending is broken and does not work as it is. If you agree the ending is broken, but do not want it fixed, why not? Because you're frustrated with people on the forums that want it fixed?

All we're asking for is a fitting conclusion. We are not specifying how that conclusion be reached. We have suggestions, but not demands. The developers are free to ignore our suggestions. We are free to pass on their next product if we don't like what they come up with. It's as simple as that.