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[ScooterPie88]

but gamers are under attack.  One very specific movement is all that stands between us and the greatest threat of our brief existance.  If we lose Retake Mass Effect 3 the rest of gaming may well follow.  Day one DLC, crappy stories, online passes that's the scalel; that's what we are fighting for.  I dont know if EA can understand fear but we are damn sure going to give them the oppurtunity.



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[ScooterPie88]

Not even one reply with a funny ME quote? Guess I'll have to selfishly bump my own thread.

[Kanner]

I'm playing Skyrim, Deus Ex, and Starcraft at the moment.

Looking forward to Guild Wars 2 and Diablo III.

Gaming is freaking great. Bioware/EA has a huge problem.

[starscreamerx31]

I agree with above post we gotta do more

[Nykara]

ScooterPie88 wrote...

but gamers are under attack.  One very specific movement is all that stands between us and the greatest threat of our brief existance.  If we lose Retake Mass Effect 3 the rest of gaming may well follow.  Day one DLC, crappy stories, online passes that's the scalel; that's what we are fighting for.  I dont know if EA can understand fear but we are damn sure going to give them the oppurtunity.



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I think it'll be pretty obvious that doesn't work when we stop buying stuff off the companies who do it?

[ticklefist]

Kanner wrote...
Bioware/EA has a huge problem.

They don't have a single healthy brand atm.

[shoshbear]

We shall go on to the end. We shall fight on Earth, we shall fight on the planets and moons, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in space, we shall defend our existence, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the asteroids, we shall fight in the Attican Traverse, we shall fight in the Hades Nexus and in the Sol System, we shall fight in every arm of our galaxy; we shall never surrender!

I bump you!

Modifié par shoshbear, 03 avril 2012 - 06:36 .

[Wattoes]

I wouldn't quite look at it like that.

First off, some battles are partially won. This thing has been huge. ME3's ending failure will live on for decades in the game industry as things "not to do". You can bet developers will be aware of this in the future and try to avoid it like the plague. Pretend bioware has another trilogy. Do you think mass effect 6 will even DARE do something this terrible? Not a chance in hell. That is a battle won.

Some of the other things you mention like day 1 dlc and online passes aren't exactly linked to this.

There is certainly a lot at stake, but its not quite on the same scale or same issues as what you mention.

[D.I.Y_Death]

"this is the reason we can't have nice things". Bioware apparently has DLC that clarifies the ending. Until we see what the clarification is the retake movement just looks bad for pushing any harder.

[Zine2]

I think Blizzard already gave a pretty subtle nod that they support us with their April Fool's joke.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

We are under attack, but thankfully it's only by a few companies, as entirely massive as those companies may be.

[B3ckett]

Ok, let's admit it. With Day-1 DLC the majority of us knew, that this won't end well.

When I look at the opposite side, like... CDPR (responsible for the Witcher franchise) and their tons of FREE DLC and offering all the current owners FREE expansion to the new ehanced edition, I see a company which I want to follow.

We all desperately try to hold the line. And WE will hold the line.
The only problem is that BioWare let it go a long time ago.

I just feel ill, because they start to look like Activision/Blizzard. And to go such a long way from the company I admired the most in a such short time, hell, that hurts.

[Madecologist]

Not everyone abides to the rEApers and their EAdoctrines. Yes there may be a bit of a dip in the quality of gaming but there is enough companies out there that don't do this and some of them do have near triple AAA budgets. But if you don't mind playing a game that is a little rougher, there are plenty more.

Eventually this model will collpase and once they do, just like how a huge rock wiped out those giant dinosaurs and a lot of the plantlife that existed. An era of angiosperms and mammals will.. ooops, I mean a new era of gaming will rise and it shall be glorious.

[Kanner]

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

"this is the reason we can't have nice things". Bioware apparently has DLC that clarifies the ending. Until we see what the clarification is the retake movement just looks bad for pushing any harder.

I completely understood everything about the ending the first time round. Don't need clarification.  Just need a whole different ending. =/

[Silasqtx]

[Heimdall]

ScooterPie88 wrote...

but gamers are under attack.  One very specific movement is all that stands between us and the greatest threat of our brief existance.  If we lose Retake Mass Effect 3 the rest of gaming may well follow.  Day one DLC, crappy stories, online passes that's the scalel; that's what we are fighting for.  I dont know if EA can understand fear but we are damn sure going to give them the oppurtunity.



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Ah, drama.  Some of us don't think a new ending is required, you know.

[Anaki86]

I cannot agree to that statement. There is no attack. Bioware simply made an ending that left a sour taste in the mouths of many. Whether it was a time constraint, EA forcing their hand or plain old bad taste, the botch of ME3's ending is not in any way an attack on gamers.

[Esquin]

Kanner wrote...

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

"this is the reason we can't have nice things". Bioware apparently has DLC that clarifies the ending. Until we see what the clarification is the retake movement just looks bad for pushing any harder.

I completely understood everything about the ending the first time round. Don't need clarification.  Just need a whole different ending. =/

If they added some cutscenes at the end though it would help. 

Really all the ending needs is a few more dialog options with starbrat to explain that the reapers are insane and have lost their original purpose. Then change everything after the shockwaves. No Normandy crashing. That was stupid. All of it. Do the shockwave, then explain what happens after. Really easy Bioware. Really god damned easy.

[goofyomnivore]

ticklefist wrote...

Kanner wrote...
Bioware/EA has a huge problem.

They don't have a single healthy brand atm.

I've noticed this as well. TOR is kind of successful, but isn't the blockbuster they anticipated. Dragon Age appears to be on life support. Mass Effect 3 is in flux and could sink to life support status.

Modifié par strive, 03 avril 2012 - 06:48 .

[ambroseaz]

The people who own the people who create games realize they're in a multi-billion dollar a year industry, they also realize that many gamers will pay any ridiculous amount of money for their product. The only question that remains is "how much?" Will gamers pay 40.00 for a new release? 50.00? Will gamers pay 100.00 for a new release? Will they pay 100.00 for a new release and then turn around and give another 10.00 to buy back content we removed? Gaming showed it's first sign of decline when consoles were taken as serious as PC Gaming. There was a day when consoles were "slumming," now PC gaming is an afterthought, only ported by a fraction of the successful console titles available.

Money is only way to truly enact change in an industry so fixated on profit that it openly mocks the consumers that support it. If you want to teach Bioware that story driven RPGs should not end with slapdash written deus ex machina, if you want them to understand that customer satisfaction is still relevant in the age of day one DLC? Stop paying them to jerk your chain. After two or three releases where profit doesn't cover production, and stock holders start looking for ways to liquidate the mighty RPG giant, I'm willing to bet they'll come up with another hugely successful RPG. But as long as they can amputate sections of their games and then sell them back to us by the millions, why wouldn't they?

[Esquin]

Lord Aesir wrote...

ScooterPie88 wrote...

but gamers are under attack.  One very specific movement is all that stands between us and the greatest threat of our brief existance.  If we lose Retake Mass Effect 3 the rest of gaming may well follow.  Day one DLC, crappy stories, online passes that's the scalel; that's what we are fighting for.  I dont know if EA can understand fear but we are damn sure going to give them the oppurtunity.



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Ah, drama.  Some of us don't think a new ending is required, you know.

And most of us at least want closure. You're happy with the ending. Fine. But can you honestly look me in the eyes and say you're ok with the breifness of it. How quickly it just closed. Without giving any hints, clues or indication of what THE SINGLE BIGGEST CHOICE IN THE SERIES just did the the universe.

Most of us. Those of us who have really thought it out. We know the ending won't change. But we also know that it is well within biowares power to give us more. To give us something to explain what the consequences of Shepards last choice are. For a game built around choice and consequence, we deserve to know what happened as a result of our last one. 

[Total Biscuit]

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

"this is the reason we can't have nice things". Bioware apparently has DLC that clarifies the ending. Until we see what the clarification is the retake movement just looks bad for pushing any harder.

Considering the increasing number of media and news outlets and even gaming journalists who used to be against us starting to support us, and the fact 'Clarification' isn't going to do a damned thing to solve the vast majority of the problems, keeping the pressure on, the bad press in the news and dropping those sales figures as low as can be as quickly as possible is the only way Mass Effect stands a chance of being salvaged from being the total failure it currently is.

People recall bad experiences more easily than happy ones to prevent ourselves getting hurt the same way in the future. in 6 months time ME3 will likely only be remembered as being the game with a really crappy, dissapointing ending everyone knows isn't worth the effort of playing. The entire series will be remember just for that eventually too.

I don't want that, and the only chance we have of preventing that is by not acting like explaining in more detail all the rubbish and broken promises in the ending meant that we're all apparently too dumb to understand is acceptable.