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[Arkitekt]

Farbautisonn wrote...

-So did I. And then I heard about particles and light being emitted from black holes and quasars that apparently are emitted at FTL speed. I read the "not going faster than light too" but I generally trust human Enginuity more than I trust dogmatic souls. I just dont see why it should be impossible to create circumstances under which FTL travel or propulsion should be impossible [sic].

Ok I was about to make a joke about you being a rethorical man and such and daring to utter inanities about physics. I won't because I don't dislike you at all to ****** you off. No such "particles" have ever been "detected" to have FTL speeds. IOW, you "heard wrong". There is no single FTL phenomenon in nature. For instance, instant quantum entanglement communication is never possible. It's just a wrong concept derived from an equivocation about the "spooky action at a distance".

The reason why scientists are so ... ahhh.. pessimistic about FTL is that it makes as much sense saying that Light can travel faster as saying that one second can take longer. Lightspeed is itself embedded in the fabric of space-time. If you like poetic statements, you could say that lightspeed is the speed which the universe runs. It's nothing like the sound barrier.

[Farbautisonn]

[quote]The Razman wrote...The law of dramatics, maybe?[/quote]
-Whats that law? Linky? 

[quote]They chose for there to be a dilemma. Because dilemmas in drama are interesting. What's the problem with that?[/quote]
-Nothing. You just presumed it had to be there. I disagree.

[quote]It baffles me how you can make attacks on me "making assumptions", and then make a massive, humungous, groundless assumption that the wave is a shockwave. Shockwave requires an explosion. Do you see any explosion to start off that initial wave? No, it just emanates out of the Crucible like an electromagnetic wave.[/quote]
-Really? A shockwave requires an explosion? 


[quote]All you're relying on is "I saw a relay explode once and it resulted in a big-ass explosion". That's your empirical evidence, without taking into account the information we're given on what caused that big-ass explosion. Release of energy from the relay. Those waves in the ME3 ending? Those require energy, they do. Energy from the mass relays. Hence, the energy is used, no explosions.[/quote]
-And yet, somehow the relays blow up in two endings and "break up explosively" in the third. Or perhaps thats not the case and I have gotten different endings than you? I am trusting the only thing I know about detonating a relay. That its one hell of a lot of energy and that its enough to destroy a system. That the energy release is more controlled doesnt in any way shape or form imply that the explosion isnt significant.

[quote]Big, white, humungous supernova explosion versus visibly tiny regular exothermic explosion. It doesn't take a genius. You can see the explosions for yourself.[/quote]
-So I did. And the only difference in explosion is colours. or graphics. The "tiny" bit seems to be enough to blast earth quite violently if youre not prepared.

[quote]
I seem to be the one drawing conclusions from stuff you can actually see in the game. I don't know what you're drawing your assumptions from, exactly. They don't hold up under the lore of the game if you go into it in any depth.[/quote]
-Riiight. I am drawing my conclusions from what I know has happend previously. I dont know of any previous controlled demolitions of Mass Relays. Do you? 


[quote]You did, though. The entire game is based around the fact that you don't know what the Crucible is or does, what the Catalyst is or does, or how it can help you against the Reapers. Everyone's assumed it's a weapon without any basis for it, they say this many times. The whole plan going in is "activate the Crucible, and hope it does something". Why does the fact that the something happens to be the Starchild change anything? You did all this hoping for a way of stopping the Reapers, and you got one.[/quote]
-At the cost of violating every being in the galaxy, destroying everything I fought for, when the alternative is: "Flip the switch and leave". I dont even contend this entitys logic or his wishes. I just mindlessly drone along with it. "Oh... fine, you little rascal you".

[quote]
Why shouldn't you trust him? If the Starchild didn't intend to help, it'd just let you die and let the cycles carry on just the way they were instead of offering you anything. What's your logic behind looking the gift-horse in the mouth?[/quote]
-Because he lies to you even while you are there. He pidgeonholes you into making his choises. He is the master of the reapers and he has the power to controll them, and he doesnt call them off, or even pull them back? Plus his "pinnacle of evolution" speach made me vomit. Its basically "Harbringers speech" from a  kid. He could have pulled back the reapers anytime, tried any other solution, engaged in dialogue, but no. Even after he realizes that "things arent going to plan" he still insists on having his options. Thats why I dont trust him.


[quote]poppycock. The whole reason Sheperd is standing there in the first place is that the whole of galactic civilisation has tried to come up with a solution to stopping the Reapers and they've come up with diddly squat. Yes, you're taking his solutions ... because you've managed to come up with nothing yourself to stop the Reapers. This is your only shot. Beggers/choosers.[/quote]
-Nope. The citadel controlls the reapers right? So why not blow up the citadel? Why not pull those reapers back? Why not spend time looking for HALs memory? There is a million "shots" to be derived from this and we get pidgeonholed into the most lazy of them.


[quote]
Again ... why should he pull them back? He still believes in the Reaper Cycle system, you haven't convinced him of anything. Hell, you don't know enough about the situation to even convince anyone of anything. The only reason he's talking to you is because you've proved you've reached a level where the cycles are going to be stopped forcibly at some point.[/quote]
-Well. Ive convinced him that the cycles can be stopped or hindered. That alone gavie him pause enough to give you a choise he hasnt given anyone else.

What is there to know about the situation that I do not allready? Really?

[quote]
He's not there to help you out, like some saviour. He's just giving you the responsibility.
[/quote]
-Fine. Let me live with that and act accordingly. Being responsible also means you can make up your own mind. Not just mindlessly follow orders.

[Ronin1325]

I am always amused by the whole "Science says 'X' is impossible" argument. If I remember correctly the scientific community in the 1830's was convinced that humans going into a tunnel on a train would suffocate if they traveled into it at the phenominal speed of 30mph.

As to the question of whether or not a prop plane would 'explode' if it tried to break the sound barrier, that's only slightly exaggerated. Many high-performance WWII prop fighters made the attempt and the shockwaves generated *did* cause the planes catastrophic damage. I'm not sure why ST:V is even relevant.

[kbct]

Arkitekt wrote...

So a massive shockwave in or near the Kuiper belt wouldnt lob all kinds of crap toward the center of the solar center.

Please don't go there. Are you sure you want to calculate that? Or are you just throwing all sorts of non-problems into the discussion in order to deviate the subject? I will assume that this is not the intent. These are not problems a 22nd century civilization wouldn't be able to solve. (And stop seeing the Kuiper belt as some Star Wars type of asteroid field. It's not! Asteroids are spread out and millions of kms away from each other).

Then you have to assume the waves have no force and no radiation. What are they then? Space magic that can destroy, control, or synthesize creatures? Or do the waves have no effect at all?

While I can see the writers probably didn't intend for the relays to cause supernova explosions, the arrival DLC, the codex, and star-child himself allows for people to interpret it that way.

[Iamjdr]

I thought the 3 choices were given by the crucible not the star child he just explains them to you why would a billion year old "god" that thinks it's absolutely justified wiping out everyone for the greater good just hand u the power cause u made it to him?he easily coulda just said nothing waited for shep to die from bloodloss and continued the cycle I feel like he just there to fill in some blanks and people took it as they were the options he was giving you when he clearly stated those were the new options made availible to him by the crucible I mean the whole game we are making this weapon that everyone Is saying they don't know what it does and when someone finally tells u what it does and people want to argue with him about it?not to mention everyone who is there fighting fully endorsed the creation of this giant weapon knowing they didn't know what it did

[Farbautisonn]

Arkitekt wrote...
Ok I was about to make a joke about you being a rethorical man and such and daring to utter inanities about physics. I won't because I don't dislike you at all to ****** you off.

-And yet you felt the need to snide it inthere. Fine. Ill refrain from making jokes about physics professors too then

No such "particles" have ever been "detected" to have FTL speeds. IOW, you "heard wrong". There is no single FTL phenomenon in nature. For instance, instant quantum entanglement communication is never possible. It's just a wrong concept derived from an equivocation about the "spooky action at a distance".

-Well. Some people claim to be pushing the envelope for speeds above light. The universe is a big place with lots ot things happening.

The reason why scientists are so ... ahhh.. pessimistic about FTL is that it makes as much sense saying that Light can travel faster as saying that one second can take longer. Lightspeed is itself embedded in the fabric of space-time. If you like poetic statements, you could say that lightspeed is the speed which the universe runs. It's nothing like the sound barrier.

-I undestand the pessimism. However the history of man has been one of overcoming our limitations. Despite my lack of faith for humanity in other areas I do believe that our curiosity is one of our few "godly" (if you will permit the expression) traits. There has been plenty of men who told us what we could and could not do. And then we proved them wrong. Its just a matter of time.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 03 avril 2012 - 04:53 .

[D.I.Y_Death]

L00p wrote...

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

L00p wrote...

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

Arkitekt wrote...

I have to love tldr back and forths which are always compounded with the generic "I really don't have time to deal with you", just after you wrote a wall of text. Pretty funny.

I have the courtesy to tell someone why I refuse to interact with them, is that a problem?
L00p, I'd love to see some examples, I've remined neutral in just about every thread I've posted in within 24 hours. So please, show me an example of my circular logic and whatever else you're goin on about. Otherwise you can vacate my thread, thanks in advance.

Relax, I was referring to The Razman.
Although I am very much inclined to include you on my ****list too, witnessing your latest "performance" in this thread.
For now, I will give you the benefit of doubt.

You quoted me and Fab arguing followed by a resonse, it gives me the impression you're talking to me and Fab, not Fab and Raz or you would have either mentioned Raz in your post or quoted a post with Raz and Fab in it.

My "performance" isn't for you to judge, I don't know how you could think a comment like that was a good idea.

Isn't it? I'll judge and form my opinion on anyone, including you, thank you. You bet your butt I will.

Here, have a cupcake.
It's not very logical, but it's almost as sweet as yourself still arguing with Farbautisonn.

Yeah, not playing this stupid passive agressive troll game with you but I would like to point out I haven't said anything to Farb since your last comment a few pages back but hey, lets ignore that for the sake of flamebaiting the OP, right?

Modifié par D.I.Y_Death, 03 avril 2012 - 04:55 .

[Farbautisonn]

Arkitekt wrote...

No, the problem does not remain. You assume that the explosion is supernovae type and conclude it's dangerous. And it's not. The cutscenes make this clear.

-And yet Joker ends up shipwreked with his ship in shambles.

Please don't go there. Are you sure you want to calculate that? Or are you just throwing all sorts of non-problems into the discussion in order to deviate the subject? I will assume that this is not the intent. These are not problems a 22nd century civilization wouldn't be able to solve. (And stop seeing the Kuiper belt as some Star Wars type of asteroid field. It's not! Asteroids are spread out and millions of kms away from each other).

-Why not go there? How many rocks does it take to be a problem? Im not an astrophysicist. The biggest thing Ive ever blown up was a railroad track . (Light infantry training). I just find it highly unlikely that an explosion of the magnitude I percieve it to be would have zero effects when the other explosion had system wide effects. That does not compute to me.

Actually that's exactly what the agreement you signed to post here states. It refuses to accept the common term we use to describe fornication as acceptable but they actually name "frak" as acceptable. I go with it. Sue me.

-Why not try to avoid outbursts all togther? 

The cutscene shows you this. The ship is being porsued linearly, not by a spherical shockwave.

-I dont see the difference? 

[Chris Priestly]

Ok, we're done here.


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