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instead of coming out as half-baked with incomplete journals, talk to A go to B and talk to A side quests, smaller volume than ME1 and even ME2, and the ending with more or less unchanging cutscenes.

I really thought ME3 was going to be remembered as the best RPG in history only if it had more time to compltete like Skyrim did(5 years) but ME3 is inferior even if you put the ending aside. It's just one of good RPGs, but far from being the best. It turns out that under EA jurisdiction there can never be any games that can be considered a masterpiece.



explains how EA views games.

I suggest follower BW fans to abondon all hopes that BW will come up with masterpieces like DA:O and KOTOR ever again. With EA giving 2 years of game development cycle it will simply never happen.

RIP Bioware RPG. :wizard:

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There is no real comparison to the in-game features of Skyrim and Mass Effect.

Skyrim is a sandbox that's focus is to let players run wild.

Mass Effect is a theme park RPG with a penchant for storytelling and player choice. At least it usually is considered that way.

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lol. In two years, plenty of games will have bested Skyrim with no trouble. 'ts not saying much.

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G3rman wrote...

There is no real comparison to the in-game features of Skyrim and Mass Effect.

Skyrim is a sandbox that's focus is to let players run wild.

Mass Effect is a theme park RPG with a penchant for storytelling and player choice. At least it usually is considered that way.



i'm comparing games on different genre.

Skyrim is generally perceived as the best on its genre.

Mass Effect 3, on the other hand, I highly doubt it if anyone would consider it the best theme part RPG since ME2 already beats it.

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IntoTheDarkness wrote...

i'm comparing games on different genre.

Skyrim is generally perceived as the best on its genre.


By who and what for? Saying Skyrim is the best game in the RPG genre is like saying that the All You Can Eat Hobo Soup kitchen is the best resturaunt in the resturaunt biz, lots of soup but none of it quality.

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G3rman wrote...

There is no real comparison to the in-game features of Skyrim and Mass Effect.

Skyrim is a sandbox that's focus is to let players run wild.

Mass Effect is a theme park RPG with a penchant for storytelling and player choice. At least it usually is considered that way.


what player choice?  ME3 does anything but giving the players any choice whatsoever.  in fact  every single choice you made in previous ones are irrelevant.   the whole game is a one Linear mega scripted tale.   

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Nadya2 wrote...

what player choice?  ME3 does anything but giving the players any choice whatsoever.  in fact  every single choice you made in previous ones are irrelevant.   the whole game is a one Linear mega scripted tale.   


This is simply not true. Not even a massive overexageration. Just not true.

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BioWare and Bethesda games aren't really comparable.

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Nadya2 wrote...

G3rman wrote...

There is no real comparison to the in-game features of Skyrim and Mass Effect.

Skyrim is a sandbox that's focus is to let players run wild.

Mass Effect is a theme park RPG with a penchant for storytelling and player choice. At least it usually is considered that way.


what player choice?  ME3 does anything but giving the players any choice whatsoever.  in fact  every single choice you made in previous ones are irrelevant.   the whole game is a one Linear mega scripted tale.   


You obviously didn't play the game right and just zoned out until the last 5 minutes than. The game I played saw all of my choices come back into play, a whole bunch of fan questions answered well, lots of positive fans service, and a game in which choices and actions affected the fates of entire races.

A bad ending doesn't make a bad game, and mass effect 3 still offers you more choices than all the games that have come out since 2011, if you can't accept that just because you didn't like your choices playing out throughout the entire game instead of the last mission than I feel sorry for you.

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While I agree with your discontent with EA, I don't agree that Skyrim is better than ME3.  So many things were broken & remain broken to this day in Skyrim.  Half the skill trees are just awful, while others (blacksmithing) are so horribly overpowered that by taking them, you automatically become a god.

All of the faction questlines consisted of like 5 quests, which simply was not enough.  Removal of spellmaking, perks not working as intended, level scaling etc.

By no means is ME3 perfect, but I have already played ME3 far more than I ever have, or will play Skyrim.  I guess Morrowind spoiled me.  Such a shame TES has been dumbed down so much.

Modifié par Benny8484, 03 avril 2012 - 07:05 .


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Skyrim is just short of a masterpiece....don't judge.

While I think comparing anything with relations is completely acceptable....the "apples and oranges" fad is a bust, Skyrim is a completely different animal and it would have taken luck or a miracle to beat it.

Modifié par Dude_in_the_Room, 03 avril 2012 - 07:06 .


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Nadya2 wrote...

G3rman wrote...

Mass Effect is a theme park RPG with a penchant for storytelling and player choice. At least it usually is considered that way.


what player choice?  ME3 does anything but giving the players any choice whatsoever.  in fact  every single choice you made in previous ones are irrelevant.   the whole game is a one Linear mega scripted tale.   


Thanks for actually paying attention to the text.  I'm not sure what you played ME for, but the unique dialogue and choices of the trilogy overall are what made it so popular.  Not saying ME3 did so well, we are talking about the entire trilogy here, or at least I am.

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psh, Skyrim is overrated anyway. Just sayin'.















*trollface*

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G3rman wrote...

Nadya2 wrote...

G3rman wrote...

Mass Effect is a theme park RPG with a penchant for storytelling and player choice. At least it usually is considered that way.


what player choice?  ME3 does anything but giving the players any choice whatsoever.  in fact  every single choice you made in previous ones are irrelevant.   the whole game is a one Linear mega scripted tale.   


Thanks for actually paying attention to the text.  I'm not sure what you played ME for, but the unique dialogue and choices of the trilogy overall are what made it so popular.  Not saying ME3 did so well, we are talking about the entire trilogy here, or at least I am.


ME1= one of the best RPG   is actually bioware masterpiece.   ME2=  great game

ME3=  the game that ruined the whole franchise and made playing the above titles irrelevant.

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IMO mass effect 3 dominates skyrim, not saying i didnt like it, have about 200 hours playtime for it

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It doesn't make the past two games irrelevent, the fun you received from playing them is what counts. These are games made to be played for entertainment, there is no need to make it dramatic to the level your gaming experience has been ruined by the ending. ME3 has its downsides, but it is superior to the other two games and other competitors in many ways.

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I didn't think Skyrim was that good. It was really huge, but scale was about the only thing that was exceptional about it. The writing was adequate, the main plot was a bit of a joke, but some the guild quests were okay, as was the civil war plot line. The graphics were good, but I've seen better. The sound was fairly good.

The gameplay was fairly lackluster for a game of that length, first person melee has always sucked and, while third person melee was okay, it needed a few more animations and fluidity. The controls were a bit unresponsive (In particular I got stuck in sprint mode a few times). Magic was poorly balanced in higher difficulty levels. Archery was a little strange, in particular, if you were close to cover, the arrow would often clip it when it looked like the path was clear. The arc took a bit of getting used to as well. I thought the stealth system worked well.

It's not to say it was a bad game, I'd give it a 7 to 8 out of 10 in every category apart from writing (5 or 6). But because it's just so huge I feel inclined to give it an overall 8 out of 10.

Best RPGs for me would have to be Planescape: Torment, Fallout 1 and 2, BG II and the Witchers.

Edit: I think ME3 came out strong in the gameplay category, but I wasn't really impressed by the rest of it. I'd probably give the gameplay an 8 or 9 out 10. The writing was better than Skyrim (7/10), but I don't think it was as good as Bioware's other titles. While curing the genophage was nice, the two sides of the argument didn't get as much discussion as they did in ME2. Maelon's lab, talking to Mordin, hearing the desperation of the Krogan, they took away a lot of the depth of the issue in ME3. The Geth/Quarian war was handled better, hearing the Geth perspective was new and IMO Legion was the best written character in the game. The rest of the writing and plot was a little hokey and standard action-movie-tug-on-the-heart-strings stuff. The graphics weren't as good as Skyrim, but for a console port they were pretty good. The sound was better than Skyrim. If it weren't for the ending and the involvement of multiplayer in the outcome of the single player game, I'd give it an 8/10 too. If the ending is what they intended, I'll give it a 7/10 (though maybe it should be lower, because in the final chapter of a trilogy the end counts for a lot more than it would in another game). If it's a fake ending (Indoctrination theory) and they always intended to sell the real ending as DLC then I would have to rate it a 1/10 because that's a really <insert pejoratives> disingenuous way to do business.  

Modifié par Lord Phoebus, 03 avril 2012 - 07:42 .


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xsdob wrote...

Nadya2 wrote...

G3rman wrote...

There is no real comparison to the in-game features of Skyrim and Mass Effect.

Skyrim is a sandbox that's focus is to let players run wild.

Mass Effect is a theme park RPG with a penchant for storytelling and player choice. At least it usually is considered that way.


what player choice?  ME3 does anything but giving the players any choice whatsoever.  in fact  every single choice you made in previous ones are irrelevant.   the whole game is a one Linear mega scripted tale.   


You obviously didn't play the game right and just zoned out until the last 5 minutes than. The game I played saw all of my choices come back into play, a whole bunch of fan questions answered well, lots of positive fans service, and a game in which choices and actions affected the fates of entire races.

A bad ending doesn't make a bad game, and mass effect 3 still offers you more choices than all the games that have come out since 2011, if you can't accept that just because you didn't like your choices playing out throughout the entire game instead of the last mission than I feel sorry for you.


answer the following:
what difference did it make saving the rachni queen in 1 to killing her?
the difference in legion survivng to being killed in 2?
the difference between wrex and wreave in context to the story?

there just the things i saw on my playthroughs but its the same for every major plot line in ME3.regardless of you're previous choices,the important plots in 3 just botched you're previous decisions,ie legion dies in 2 but in 3 you get a geth that looks exactly the same and has "legions memories",how original

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The really cool Thing about Skyrim is that Bethesda give Players a tool to change almost everything in the Game like they want. ME3 really need such a tool.

Modifié par Pairikas, 03 avril 2012 - 07:20 .


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Lord Phoebus wrote...

I didn't think Skyrim was that good. It was really huge, but scale was about the only thing that was exceptional about it. The writing was adequate, the main plot was a bit of a joke, but some the guild quests were okay, as was the civil war plot line. The graphics were good, but I've seen better. The sound was fairly good.

The gameplay was fairly lackluster for a game of that length, first person melee has always sucked and, while third person melee was okay, it needed a few more animations and fluidity. The controls were a bit unresponsive (In particular I got stuck in sprint mode a few times). Magic was poorly balanced in higher difficulty levels. Archery was a little strange, in particular, if you were close to cover, the arrow would often clip it when it looked like the path was clear. The arc took a bit of getting used to as well. I thought the stealth system worked well.

It's not to say it was a bad game, I'd give it a 7 to 8 out of 10 in every category apart from writing (5 or 6). But because it's just so huge I feel inclined to give it an overall 8 out of 10.

Best RPGs for me would have to be Planescape: Torment, Fallout 1 and 2, BG II and the Witchers.


You forgot about saying how it compares to ME3.......

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lol. In two years, plenty of games will have bested Skyrim with no trouble. 'ts not saying much.


Depending on BioWare's upcoming "choices", two years from now Mass Effect 3 may well be remembered for one thing only. I think we all know what that is.
At least BioWare's choices will have an effect on the end of the Mass Effect story. Ours sure didn't.

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i liked skyrim, is just that the story was somewhat disconnected. i loved the huge beautiful and open world. the character models were hedious though.

skyrim has a very high replayability value, you can literally spend weeks playing it, but due to that disconnection between the character and the main story. you find yourself bored before you get into the 3rd day of playing it.

Skyrim had some serious performance issues as well, i had some annoying crashes every 5 mins or so.

ME3 could have been a master piece , but they simply fell way too short, if you compare it with the previous ones. and i don't mean just the horrible ending. 0 exploration, side quests were done in a very awkard and odd way. bad textures all over. too many auto dialogs, the import issues. the list goes on and on.

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Benny8484 wrote...

While I agree with your discontent with EA, I don't agree that Skyrim is better than ME3.  So many things were broken & remain broken to this day in Skyrim.  Half the skill trees are just awful, while others (blacksmithing) are so horribly overpowered that by taking them, you automatically become a god.

All of the faction questlines consisted of like 5 quests, which simply was not enough.  Removal of spellmaking, perks not working as intended, level scaling etc.

By no means is ME3 perfect, but I have already played ME3 far more than I ever have, or will play Skyrim.  I guess Morrowind spoiled me.  Such a shame TES has been dumbed down so much.


Well you have a right to your opinion.I have put a lot more time into Skyrim.To each is own.I have yet to go from 30s to level 1 in Skyrim.I haven't had nearly as many crashes in Sky either.ME 3 has been a disappointment and not just the ending.The journal the cheesy side quest in ME 3 are hardly worth bragging about or the match box size city.The Quarian/Geth and Krogan/Turian are really well done but the rest are ok at best.But that is about it.

Modifié par Well, 03 avril 2012 - 07:24 .


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Pairikas wrote...

The really cool Thing about Skyrim is that Bethesda give Players a tool to change almost everything in the Game like they want. ME3 really need such a tool.


It would make a big difference.I don't see it happening though.

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Skyrim has a very high replayability value? It has absolutely none for me, granted I loved the game the first run through, but come the second one (which I did start, never finished) you've already seen the beauty of the scale of the world so it's not really "wow" anymore, it's more "eugh, time to travel this stupidly long pointless road to my next objective".

Granted, that makes it sound like I hate exploration, I don't, I love the freedom to go where I want, what I don't like is when it takes so long to go anywhere at all, just becomes a bore.