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[Ylhaym]

Well wrote...
They changed it because it became more of a shooter.Yes there were changes because of people were not happy with inventory but it wasn't broken for me,.How complicated is it to sell items or change upgrades.Just to much effort for some.If you didn't like it fine.You have the right to your opinions not your facts.You damn sure don't have the right to mine.The rest of your opinion is yours and your welcome to it but it don't fly with me.ME 1 was the best of the series.

The Inventory System is definitely broken, It's a fact. Once you have Spectre Weapons every other weapons becomes garbage and this also apply to some degree in Armors, Bio-Amps and Omni Tool(once you have Colossus and Savant). And its not because its complicated, Dragon Age: Origins' inventory system is more complicated than Mass Effect and people don't have issue with it.

And ME3 doesn't have (to my knowledge) a bug as severe as the overheating bug.

ME1 best in the series in terms of story? Possibly...
ME1 best game in the series? No...

casadechrisso wrote...

Totally uncomparable. But if you must, Skyrim wins in most parts. 

Greater timesink: Skyrim 
RPG, mechanics-wise: Skyrim by far.
Freedom: Skyrim
Replay value: Skyrim
Cinematics: Mass Effect
Dialogue quality: Mass Effect

The only thing that maes Skyrim NOT a masterpiece on my sheet is the writing in many parts, the dialogues that leave much to be desirred and the completely bot-like companions. Fallout New Vegas did that much, much better and I can only facepalm about Bethesda's decision to take a huge jump back from there again. Skyrim with Obsidian's writing skills, that'd be a masterpiece. 

Still, Mass Effect is an interactive movie and Skyrim a sandbox game, absolutely different things.

 

I agree with you for the most part... Aside from Skyrim is greater timesink and replay value...
Because no matter what you choose as a character and character type in Skyrim, at some point in the game all characters will arrive at the same place. I'm a Warrior Nord but I want to try using spells, so I switched to using spells. My motivation to start a Breton spellcaster is gone.And that's why i give replay value to Mass Effect. In terms of who the greater timesink is? I give it to ME3 due to multiplayer if we're talking about vanilla Skyrim. But of course Modded Skyrim is the greater timesink of the two. That's just my opinion though.

Modifié par Ylhaym, 03 avril 2012 - 11:52 .

[BurnOutBrighter]

Ha! Not even in 2 years, with that awful ending.

I'm looking forward to how many "Most Disappointing Game" lists ME3 makes it onto.

[Robhuzz]

2 more years? Considering the entire game (minus the ending) was awesome I think they needed just 3 more months to finish the game and make a proper ending. No way they'd require 2 more years.

Sadly what I think happened is the spoiled kid called EA came along and screamed: I wants money NAO!!

[Ylhaym]

simfamSP wrote...
2) The emotional impact it has. Like 3... the characters may have the same roles, but who do we really care about? Tali, Legion and Wrex are all favourites. When their roles are replaced by some jack-ass then it hasn't got the same feeling. And to me, having that impact is one of the key things in any BioWare game.

And this is why i'm undecided about which game is better in terms of storytelling, ME1 or ME3... 
While ME1 story is great overall, it doesn't have the emotional impact ME3 have. 

[Daniel_N7]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

You could have taken a year of ME3's development time and it would still beat Skyrim.

Oh, really? Let's go into that in the language that EA understands. Money.
I was consulting Play and, look at that, ME3, launched less than a month ago, is now available for €33.99. Skyrim, launched in November 2011, is still at €53.99.

How about that?

[dayvancowboy1]

Gandalf-the-Fabulous wrote...

IntoTheDarkness wrote...

i'm comparing games on different genre.

Skyrim is generally perceived as the best on its genre.

By who and what for? Saying Skyrim is the best game in the RPG genre is like saying that the All You Can Eat Hobo Soup kitchen is the best resturaunt in the resturaunt biz, lots of soup but none of it quality.

I want to eat at All You Can Eat Hobo Soup kitchen 

[Sebbe1337o]

daftPirate wrote...

lol. In two years, plenty of games will have bested Skyrim with no trouble. 'ts not saying much.

This^

Skyrim must be one of the most overrated games in history. It only won GotY because of hype, nothing else.

[Sanunes]

No, I can't see how more time would make Mass Effect better then Skyrim, for I traded in Skyrim after 48 hours because of bugs and I still own Mass Effect 3. I had save game corruption issues on day one and the exact same repeatable falling through the planet that every open-world Bethesda game before had for the last decade.

Right now I think people are looking at the issues with Skyrim with rose colored glasses for it has many bugs if not more then Mass Effect 3, but because Mass Effect is a trilogy they expected the game to be completely perfect which would never happen in a game. Bethesda is no better the BioWare and the reverse is true as well.

After all, you probably enjoyed Mass Effect 3 until you took an arrow to the knee. 

Modifié par Sanunes, 03 avril 2012 - 12:47 .

[DayusMakhina]

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Dude_in_the_Room wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Skyrim has a very high replayability value? It has absolutely none for me, granted I loved the game the first run through, but come the second one (which I did start, never finished) you've already seen the beauty of the scale of the world so it's not really "wow" anymore, it's more "eugh, time to travel this stupidly long pointless road to my next objective".

Granted, that makes it sound like I hate exploration, I don't, I love the freedom to go where I want, what I don't like is when it takes so long to go anywhere at all, just becomes a bore.

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Fast travel requires you to have seen the place where you want to travel to does it not? Thus when you start a new game you've still got to initially discover it all again. 

Yeah, I guess you got me there.  Did you try and up the difficulty? 

In any case theres probably a hardcore mod coming out soon so if you think the story isn't important you'll have a challenge.

As for now, theres tons of mods to change things up.  Are you even giving them a chance.

I did enjoy the story a lot (well to be honest, i enjoyed the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood far more than the story itself), but it didn't grab me to the extent that I wanted to experience it all over again.

Equally yes I played it on the hardest difficulty... an considering I completed the game after investing well over 100 hours in it i'd say i gave it a chance. As I said before, i loved playing through the game, it's just not something I can replay.

Modifié par DayusMakhina, 03 avril 2012 - 01:00 .

[Daniel_N7]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Daniel_N7 wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

You could have taken a year of ME3's development time and it would still beat Skyrim.

Oh, really? Let's go into that in the language that EA understands. Money.
I was consulting Play and, look at that, ME3, launched less than a month ago, is now available for €33.99. Skyrim, launched in November 2011, is still at €53.99.

How about that?

I don't judge games by their price.

I'm sure EA feels the same way.

[Sanunes]

Daniel_N7 wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

Daniel_N7 wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

You could have taken a year of ME3's development time and it would still beat Skyrim.

Oh, really? Let's go into that in the language that EA understands. Money.
I was consulting Play and, look at that, ME3, launched less than a month ago, is now available for €33.99. Skyrim, launched in November 2011, is still at €53.99.

How about that?

I don't judge games by their price.

I'm sure EA feels the same way.

Where I live Skyrim droped to $30 for a couple of weeks shortly after launch too.

[Blooddrunk1004]

Aside from ****ty ending and Rachni situation in Mass Effect 3 there was nothing else that actualy bothered me.
What bothered me in Skyrim although was:
- dialogue writing
- lack of voice acting
- main story (too short and uninspired)
- more dumbed down RPG mechanics compared to Obliviion and Morrowind
- dissapointing story in every faction aside from Dark Brotherhood

[Izhalezan]

Skyrim was awesome the first time around but has no real replay value for me, why make a second character when any character can do everything, you can be a war/mage/rogue at the same time. I'm almost afraid what influence it will have on DA3.

[stonbw1]

Its not that BW needed more time, just that they should have not gone the Kinect and MP route, which many people suspect was the cause of the first delay. Take that same time to polish the SP game.

[xJohnsen]

Skyrim is overrated. Sure it's a good game, but every damn plot line ends in the same way. At the end you are the master of the whole damn world...

[Vaktathi]

ME3 had as much time as ME2 did. ME2 and ME3 both were released 26 months after their predecessor. IIRC ME1 had a similar development timespan. ME3 had significantly less done in terms of visuals and mechanics overhauls than ME2 did relative to ME1.

Given the same time span, and increased personnel and funding, decreased visuals workload, etc, it's difficult to see why ME3 would have required significant additional time, especially twice as much.

That said, obviously I'm on the outside looking in and don't have the full picture, there are obviously things I don't know and am likely missing, however from the data I have available to me, it doesn't seem like the game should have needed another two years of development time.

Modifié par Vaktathi, 03 avril 2012 - 02:24 .

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

IntoTheDarkness wrote...
Skyrim is generally perceived as the best on its genre.

WTF?
Skyrim is a quite good sandbox game, but if you name RPG there are a LOTS of games which are vastly superior, even in this generation of games.

[abaris]

Izhalezan wrote...

Skyrim was awesome the first time around but has no real replay value for me, why make a second character when any character can do everything, you can be a war/mage/rogue at the same time. I'm almost afraid what influence it will have on DA3.

That hasn't changed since Morrowind. You always were a Jack of all Trades.

The only thing changing for the worse was the fall of the guild requirements that were present in previous games.

And don't be afraid of the negative influence Skyrim could have on DAII. DAII is enough of a menace in its own right.

[poerksen]

Played both series (ME1-3), had more fun with the elder scrolls (skyrim and oblivion). Played through ME3 once, played skyrim multiple times.
You can't really compare ME and skyrim, because they are totally different games and their focus is different. One is character and storydriven and the other is; go do what you want...

Sure Skyrim has its bugs, but I do not find any of them gamebreaking and some are actually quite funny. Ofcourse a game such as Skyrim (open-world, rpg...) is going to have more bugs than a shooter such as ME, but they are going to get fixed as time goes by.

[fchopin]

In 2 years ME4 will be out.

[IntoTheDarkness]

Well I'm op and will throw one comment here. Of course we like ME3 over Skyrim because this is BW forum, and that includes me. But Skyrim won the most goty in the history of video games, and the second most goty-winning game(i think it's either ME2 or GTA4) does not even come close. Skyrim is generally viewed as the best in its league. We don't necessarily have to like it because we are all bunch of story addicts.

The problem is ME3 failed to deliver a perfect story and that makes it much worse than Skyrim which at least delivered what it is supposed to do.

[Cainne Chapel]

Intothe Darkness... sorry to say

There's NO SUCH THING AS A PERFECT STORY

If you expect ME3 (or anything really) to be PERFECT...well... you have a lonely life ahead of you.

For what it is, I enjoyed ME3 immensely, granted i dont think ANY game is perfect but it was fun and as enjoyable as the other 2 in the series.

as for skyrim, never played it, I dont like the elder scrolls series so *shrug*. As for awards, ME3 got tons of perfect scores too... doesn't help peoples arguments in the least if they didn't enjoy it.

soo seems a bit silly comparing industry awards when both games have gotten top marks from the industry doesn't it?

Modifié par Cainne Chapel, 03 avril 2012 - 04:28 .