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[AkiKishi]

JadeSelket wrote...

We are very lucky to have a company who takes the time to use forums, and social media websites to find out what WE want in the next game. Not many companies do this, they don't -have- to do it.

DA2 wasn't a huge disappointment, and I don't play ME...but they are working on a solution to the ending, no? They don't have to do that either.

Name one that does not ? 

[Adanu]

I've been sick of the trolls in the ME3 forums for weeks. I'd love to talk in there, but ANY thread about the merits of the game is just drowned by the brats.

Honestly, the whole ****storm over there is just pathetic on a whole new level.

[Sylvianus]

It's easy. Don't come everyday on the bsn, or at least don't read negative threads, and you won't care. I promise, it's effective.

[Calbeb]

Well wrote...

Is that like those folks that label you haters,whiners,entitiled,kids...ect..ect..love the Disneyland ending talking point.

I have referred to no one else as haters, whiners, entitled or kids. In fact I don't like the ending as is. It just doesn't affect my overall enjoyment of the game that much.

You have the right to your opinion as does everyone else.What people don't have the right to is mine or anyone elses.Also if your(general statement) attacking others don't expect to not have it returned.

Who am I attacking in general actually.I am merely stating that there are a contingent of fans on here who have determined that if you disagree with them you are an idiot. I am not saying ALL people who don't like the ending or Dragon Age 2 think that, or even the majority.

DA 2 and ME 3 are just ok with me but if it was peaches and cream to others more power to them.You paid for your game not me so if you enjoyed.Cool.I didn't but I paid for mine and so know one else can dictate if I enjoyed it or not.

Agreed. Which is why respecting opinions should go both ways.

[Maria Caliban]

But what if BioWare does suck? I should start threads about this in every forum to alert the fans of this pertinent fact. I should also bring it up in every topic. Otherwise they might never know!

How would you feel if you liked something that sucked and no one ever told you?

[ShadowLordXII]

Maria Caliban wrote...

But what if BioWare does suck? I should start threads about this in every forum to alert the fans of this pertinent fact. I should also bring it up in every topic. Otherwise they might never know!

How would you feel if you liked something that sucked and no one ever told you?

Maybe there are people out there who have valid reason for saying Bioware sucks.  But based on the consistent positive critical reception, sales on their games, and even fan reception and input, they may be a minority that simply have a different taste in gaming and they're not necessarily wrong.

And I've been in that kind of situation.  I actually like Mortal Kombat: Armaggeddon and the Star Wars prequels and still do even after learning the reasons why a lot of people say they suck.

But am I going to fly into a blind rage and say that George Lucas is the devil who couldn't write for squat despite the fact that he has a very large loyal following that has been around since the first star wars movie or that the entire Star Wars series as a whole sucks because of one experience?

CrustyBot wrote...

(It really is that simple - not everyone shares your opinions, reactions and perspective on things. Or mine for that matter.)

How
one conducts themselves as a result of such opinions is the more
important bit here. Though, I find it odd that you condemn people
cancelling pre-orders or saying that BioWare's games are bad. Instead of
say, condemning the abhorrent treatment of Mrs. Hepler, or how a select
few wanted to renege on a charity pledge.

But cancelling
pre-orders and saying BioWare's games aren't good? Are people not
entitled to do those things? Is that really such a great sin?

Sorry about that, I did not mean to sound short-sighted.  I was pretty put-off by how people reacted to Mrs. Hepler's statement and the hatemail that it garnered...that really does reflect badly on fans after all of the wonderful work that Hepler has done at Bioware.

All because she doesn't like video games.

Hello?  Now that I think about it, that's falls under, "It's different, no it sucks."  That's the kind of hatedom that's ticking me off.  The blind haters who can't even give you a valid reason as to why they don't like a bioware game or why that particular game makes bioware the devil.

And...then again, it is their money so cancelling a pre-order is within their rights.

There's a difference between having a valid complaint and just complaining.  A valid complaint is calmly explaining why something wasn't to your liking and what you'd like from the future.  Complaining is a little kid going into a tangent, trashing the kitchen and madly crying because his mom won't give him candy.  If you know you're not the latter then good for you!  My main statement is against those crying kids.

[FedericoV]

I am more tired of Bioware sucking...

There have allways been people criticizing Bioware's work. There have allways been people unable to use constructive arguments. There have allways been entitled people. But who has never sinned, can throw the first stone. I know I can't and I guess Bioware is old enough to cope with fan's demands and criticism.

The problem is: in the last years the fan's have been more right than not and Bioware have done its best to give the fans valid reasons to complain. Awakening was shipped with lots of bugs and wasn't worth the price at all. DA2 has been rushed out of the door just to meet a deadline. ME3 ending... do I need to talk about the issue? Not to say that imho ME3 show an overall lack of content and not only a crappy ending stolen from another game and "color coded for our convenience".

I guess it's EA's fault and it's sad if that the devs alone have to deal with the decision of some manager in a suit who has never played a game in his life. I still believe that there are a lot of talented and kind guys in Bioware who are just geek like us. It's not their fault and they are the people who most likely will suffer the consequences if the management screw it all for good.

But all of the above do not change the fact that there's not only our money at stake but even what gaming business will look like in the future and how we will be threated as gamers. I would be glad if Bioware stop to suck. I still root for them. All the negativity is painful. But untill they get back on track, their fans are right.

So, please Bioware, can you stop to suck? I know you can.

Modifié par FedericoV, 04 avril 2012 - 06:47 .

[Realmzmaster]

Whether Bioware sucks or not is a matter of opinion. If you do not like the direction Bioware is taking then Bioware sucks. If you like the direction then Bioware is a winner and does not suck.

That said, a post that just states Bioware sucks without explaining why maybe great for blowing off steam but it adds no constructive criticism. Saying Bioware sucks and here is why is useful and adds to the discussion.

It is the same as saying Bioware is great and not explaining why you think it is great. It adds nothing to the discussion. It may make the gamer feel like he/she is balancing the negative and the Bioware sucks comments, but basically it tells Bioware nothing.

I like DA2 and DAo. I will be happy to explain and have explained why I like them. Whether someone else agrees or disagrees is moot because it is my opinion and you take as you will. The same way I can take or not take the opinions expressed on the forum. It is up to the developers to sort it all out and see how much of the audience they can make happy. Because a group of gamers is going to be unhappy

[Emzamination]

I'm sick of all the "EA sucks" flack.I think the new code of conduct was implemented because of the constant raging day and night about Ea for months on end.Its a wonder priestly still has his sanity.

[LegendaryBlade]

Lucy_Glitter wrote...

Sure, ME3 was a huge disappointment, but that's not the DA team's fault.

Nor does it make all their other games suddenly crap, I agree.

No, but DA2 was a massive dissapointment, and that WAS the DA team's fault

[Dejajeva]

ChookAttack wrote...

Dejajeva wrote...

I'm not sure about anyone else, but I for sure feel animosity from some PC gamers that makes me feel uncomfortable because I prefer to play on console. I get the vibe that some of the hardcore rpgers blame people like me (and me, by default) for their dislike of certain games. I get frustrated when I hear that people believe games are "dumbed down" so console players can enjoy them, and although I may not get all of the terms or understand all of the lingo of classic crpg's, I am most certainly not "dumb", nor do I think that all console players are as well.

I choose to ignore it, for the most part, because I love the community and the story and the games. But there are PC elitists here and that's just how it is.

Notice I said some and not all.

I'm glad you qualified your statement as 'some' PC gamers, as most civil, rational comments I see are directed at the consoles themselves as the problem, not the people who use them.  Low specification consoles can adversely affect the development of a game, which is why PC gamers can be wary of titles that aim for the console market (which, toi be honest, is most titles published).  If a game was released for your favourite console that had to also be able to run on Nintendo Game boy, I'm sure you would be upset at the reduction in features that would result.

Now this is an argument I can understand and sympathize with. And I do, really. I have the game on PC and enjoy it- console too, and enjoy it more. I understand that there are limits to what an xbox can do, but on the other hand, not everyone has the kind of computer that gaming is good for. I sure don't, on my little laptop.  At the end of the day, more people have xboxes than computers that can play the game the way it's meant to be played on PC. It's a good business decision, even if it does cut away some of the things you'd have if it were PC only. I'm glad it's available to a larger market, because then maybe those people who enjoyed it on console, will go and buy DAO and we'll have new fans, which is only a good thing for Dragon Age.

[Dejajeva]

BobSmith101 wrote...

JadeSelket wrote...

We are very lucky to have a company who takes the time to use forums, and social media websites to find out what WE want in the next game. Not many companies do this, they don't -have- to do it.

DA2 wasn't a huge disappointment, and I don't play ME...but they are working on a solution to the ending, no? They don't have to do that either.

Name one that does not ? 

You know who I'd like to see come on to a forum? Peter effing Molenux. I'd have some choice words. Bah.

[Fenton]

I just ignore the haters and play the games that I've enjoy despite people blasting it for anything even one little thing. Still the old quote goes "Haters going to be Haters"

[Helena Tylena]

I haven't played a single BioWare game I didn't enjoy.

[EnforcerGREG]

I feel that the DA forums have been recently more upbeat and optomistic since we got some info from developers about the future of the franchise.

While the ME forums on the other hand......  yeah the pain is still very much there.

Hope it blows over with the extended cut being released

Modifié par EnforcerGREG, 07 avril 2012 - 12:59 .

[Tragick Flaw]

Yeah, I understand disappointment and such, but things seemed to get extreme, particularly here. I honestly think some people just want to be angry and complain some times. For me, the schism of the fanbase was the worse. It turned into an us or them response, with the worst of responses being if you weren't for Retake, you weren't a true fan and didn't care. I stopped lurking on the forums for a bit afterwards. For every person setting up a charity or cupcake drive, there seemed where I looked two people spewing hatred.

But then again, I don't like focusing on the bad and I appear to be fairly easy to please. Liked the ME3 ending, DAII was my favorite game of last year, with TW2 being my disappointing game of last year, but I still had fun. If I don't like something, it just isn't worth my time to continue dealing with it, so it would have to something big for me to protest or join something like Retake.

[themaniacii]

I am tired of it too. I loved ME3 and playing through DA2 and having fun with it. Bioware does not deserve what it is getting thier games are great I have never had a sense of problems with thier games that I have been hearing from the BSN Members who believe they were wronged.

[Foryou]

I agree of OP,

[HiroVoid]

CrustyBot wrote...

Different people have different opinions and different viewpoints which leads to different reactions. Sometimes, these reactions and opinions are in direct contradiction with the reactions and opinions of others.

Late, but this is the smartest thing I've ever heard EVER.
But basically just because it agrees with what I think which I'm sure someone disagrees on.

[TRISTAN WERBE]

 https://encrypted-tb...Og-FeD5eKK HERE WE GO

[Jpherb]

I think Bioware is a great company. So, they made some mistakes. Don't we all? I'm seriously sick of DA2 bashing. I love it

[Tommyspa]

You're not allowed to like things people hate on the internet, it is a rule. A rule by 12 year olds, but a rule.