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Funkdrspot wrote...
I just figured it had something to do with the special teleporter that the Normandy was using.

What teleporter? 

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Also let's not forget the whole citadel blowing up either, apparently if something that massive penetrates the atmosphere it creates holes in the atmosphere allowing wonderfully deadly solar radiation to pretty much kill anything in it's way. YAY.

[Monarchos915]

I understand the symbolism of destroying the reapers and ending the cycle and I like it. However, there are some serious issues regarding established lore and blowing up Relays. It would have been better if the Crucible just shut them off or something as opposed to effectively nuking them.

[Funkdrspot]

fafnir magnus wrote...

that's three things, and I don't agree.

1) rebuilding is very likely impossible

Because.....why?

fafnir magnus wrote...2) people will most likely die, regardless of their efforts

Some, SURE. All?! No.

fafnir magnus wrote...3) tech relied pretty thoroughly on mass effect fields, which rely on element zero, which is notoriously difficult to find. That pretty car doesn't do jack for you without gas, and those nice ships, guns, etc, aren't going to do jack without element zero.

1st world problems. Plenty of dead reapers to collect eezo off of now.

fafnir magnus wrote...most will probably die, most will probably starve. It is the extinction event people are hyping it to be.

Why will most die or starve? You're just sensationalizing it.

[Billabong2011]

Pacellio2 wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Pacellio2 wrote...
Well all the eezo cores are based on relay technology so therefore if you have something destroying the relays why wouldn't it effect them as well

Not defending OP here but the Relays aren't destroyed by the pulse but by sending out the pulse. This has no implications on other eezo tech.

You might be right...but i just see the pulse being like one big giant EMP on relay/reaper tech...otherwise why would the normandy of crashed....oh right speculation

The problem would arise in acquiring and mining more eezo without being able to travel across the galaxy - the time it would take to scour for an even remotely fair amount of the element would far outlast the supply of eezo needed to maintain basic necessities that civilizations already have at their disposal.

[Funkdrspot]

count_4 wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...
I just figured it had something to do with the special teleporter that the Normandy was using.

What teleporter? 

You know, the teleporter Joker used to pick your squad up with.

[maia0407]

Funkdrspot wrote..


Why will most die or starve? You're just sensationalizing it.

I answered this question in a prior post....(page 2 I think)

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Monarchos915 wrote...

I understand the symbolism of destroying the reapers and ending the cycle and I like it. However, there are some serious issues regarding established lore and blowing up Relays. It would have been better if the Crucible just shut them off or something as opposed to effectively nuking them.

I could live with that instead of everything blowing up everything that is reaper tech just shuts down, this way the citadel, the relays, and even the reapers are still intact and all we have to do is turn them on again also it saves the reapers as a potential resurgent enemy for a future sequel. Imagine a mass effect game set 500 years in the future and someone accidentally reawakens a lost dormant reaper that was put to sleep in ME3, now that reaper is out for revenge.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Funkdrspot wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...
I just figured it had something to do with the special teleporter that the Normandy was using.

What teleporter? 

You know, the teleporter Joker used to pick your squad up with.

You had us all going there.

[Malsumis]

Blowing up the Mass relays, is like having a massive solar flare hit Earth today. Which renders all cars and airplanes useless.

2012 Earth without cars or planes would not be a nice place to live.

[Occulo]

Joker was flying the Normandy away from the explosion as fast as he could.
Speculation: the explosions harm spaceships in some way.

Most of the forces Shepard's amassed are in spaceships, with the exception of those made up of vorcha and krogans.
Speculation: those ships are all screwed, especially the ones that can't fly as fast as the Normandy.
Speculation: most, if not all quarians, are on a spaceship of some sort. In the Migrant Fleet.

Turians and quarians both rely on dextro-amino foods.
Speculation: the turians didn't bring dextro-amino plants and compatible soil to Earth's surface.
Speculation: Earth has a few places where they cultivate dextro-amino food.
Speculation: But they may have been devastated during the reaper attacks.
Speculation: But even if there are a few left, will it be enough to support surviving quarians and turians?
Speculation: Will there be surviving quarians and turians?

Modifié par Occulo, 03 avril 2012 - 09:03 .

[Tritium315]

The issue I have with the relay explosion is that it means all the ships in the galaxy are now inoperable. Since the Normandy was hit by the actual wave from the citadel explosion, that means that every other ship is as ****ed as the Normandy, if not more so.

Of course the other option is the Normandy was hit by the pulse from the relay while it was flying through a relay. However, since the wave travels faster than FTL speeds (based on the cinematic) it means for this scenario to be true then the Normandy would have had to have left the the battle early, abandoning Shepard and the rest of allied fleets.

Basically Bioware either destroyed the character of all your friends in the last 30 seconds, or all the ships in the galaxy are scrap metal.

[Funkdrspot]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

As far as the plot hole about the relays not asploding entire solar systems, I always assumed that because the radius of the endgame blast were covering each star cluster ( cluster>>>>>system ), that the energy wasn't as concentrated.

That's cute, BUT IT'S WRONG!   

A blast of radiation spherically oriented get's less dense the further it travels, thus with a multi-lightyear blast the initial density is so huge, every one get's fried for at least a fraction of that radius.

Who says it's radiation? Either way, the different destroy endings clearly show that the blast CAN be deadly but isn't if you do your stuff right.

Shaoken wrote...

*sigh* Asteroids colliding into Relays at faster-than-light speeds leads to Supernovas, because the energy is released violently. The ending clearly shows that a lot of energy is shot out through the relay before it breaks apart, and changes the colour of it, so presumably that changes the type of it to something less explodey.

Poison_Berrie wrote...First it was a crash at sub-light.
Two the Alpha Relay explosion didn't push an explosion through the system, but rather bathed it in lethal amounts of radiation in a similar fashion as the relays do in the ending.
Three if you go by the theory that a large part of the energy is expelled in the beam, where does that excess eventually end up and won't that energy be a lot more destructive than a regular Mass Relay explosion? Also why does the blast still cover lightyears if most of the energy is expunged before that?

Seems like an explosion to me...

Funkdrspot wrote...

All you're doing is massive amounts of assumption. How is mass starvation an issue when earth is right there? Do Quarians and Turians not have plants they can eat? 

Pollution might be a small problem but you act like it can't be figured out. It's not something that's going to cause serious deaths.

Poison_Berrie wrote...What does it matter if they start a nuclear war tomorrow, it's not like we can't figure something out something against the fallout and nuclear winter, before billions have died... right?

Red Herring. What does that have to do with the points at hand? 

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Funkdrspot wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...
I just figured it had something to do with the special teleporter that the Normandy was using.

What teleporter? 

You know, the teleporter Joker used to pick your squad up with.

Ah, a troll after all. Shoud have known.

For what it's worth, though, you can't plant anything on Earth after the Reapers are gone. It's inhabitable thanks to (tens of) thounsand(s) of projectile impacts and a 44km Citadel crashing down. Good luck growing food in a nuclear winter(or whatever a nuclear winter is called if it isn't actually nuclear).

Modifié par count_4, 03 avril 2012 - 09:06 .

[cutegigi]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...
I just figured it had something to do with the special teleporter that the Normandy was using.

What teleporter? 

You know, the teleporter Joker used to pick your squad up with.

You had us all going there.

I see now...
No wonder hes trying so hard.
Good going OP.  
4/10 for your effort

Modifié par cutegigi, 03 avril 2012 - 09:05 .

[Monarchos915]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Monarchos915 wrote...

I understand the symbolism of destroying the reapers and ending the cycle and I like it. However, there are some serious issues regarding established lore and blowing up Relays. It would have been better if the Crucible just shut them off or something as opposed to effectively nuking them.

I could live with that instead of everything blowing up everything that is reaper tech just shuts down, this way the citadel, the relays, and even the reapers are still intact and all we have to do is turn them on again also it saves the reapers as a potential resurgent enemy for a future sequel. Imagine a mass effect game set 500 years in the future and someone accidentally reawakens a lost dormant reaper that was put to sleep in ME3, now that reaper is out for revenge.

I would prefer it there was no way to turn them back "on." They were a means of control for the Reapers/AI kid and from a symbolic standpoint makes sense with ending the cycle. Now maybe it could have been hinted that there may be a way to reverse engineer some of the technology do delevop something similar, but belonging completely to the civilizations that populate the galaxy.

Of course that still leads to a problem with stranded fleets and militaries and what not, but it could have been fixed my Shep communicating with the fleets telling them, the crucible will be fired and the Relays will no longer be useable, and the the majority of fleets could have pulled a mass evacuation back to their home planets. Leaving a small force behind to protect the crucible as it's firing as a final sacrifice...would have been appropriately "bittersweet" as opposed to just "bitter."

[BobbyDylan]

What we KNOW:

1.) Mass Relays, when destroyed, go super-nova and wipe out the system they're in.
2.) Palvern was under attack and burning. Ranoch was only just being re-settled.
3.) Earth is basically a burnt world, a shadow of what it was.
4.) No species has the technology to rebuild the Mass Relays.

Based on this I think it's safe to assume:

1:) Any system with a relay in it, is f*cked, everyone in them is dead.
2:) Even (by some miracle of magic) the fleets around earth were not destoryed they're cut off and most likely had limeted supplies due to the sate of the fleets and the availability of said supply.
3:) Earth is unlikely to be able to supply the existing surving popluation, never mind the million or so extra mouths in space. This is assuming that the munitions missing the Reapers and the falling destroyed Citadel (was it 1/4 the mass of the moon, right?) did not wipe out all life on earth in a nuclear winter.
4:) Since relays were integral to the galactic comunity, and no one can rebuild them, Mass effect as you know it is gone. Congrats on making peace between Tuiran and Krogan, they'll never see eachother again. Except for the war that's about to break out over earth (if the Sol system even exists at all).

Also, depending on you personal flavor of , all sythetics are now destroyed. That means all quarians, geth, Biotics, anyone with a pace-maker, that wounded solider At Hoyta memorial with the fake leg.....
Also, givent that we saw the  destroy the Normandy, most of the fleet in orbit around earth is likely to be also destroyed. 

Yay! this ending rocks!


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Modifié par BobbyDylan, 03 avril 2012 - 09:10 .

[Funkdrspot]

Occulo wrote...

Joker was flying the Normandy away from the explosion as fast as he could.
Speculation: the explosions harm spaceships in some way.

Most of the forces Shepard's amassed are in spaceships, with the exception of those made up of vorcha and krogans.
Speculation: those ships are all screwed, especially the ones that can't fly as fast as the Normandy.
Speculation: most, if not all quarians, are on a spaceship of some sort. In the Migrant Fleet.

Turians and quarians both rely on dextro-amino foods.
Speculation: the turians didn't bring dextro-amino plants and compatible soil to Earth's surface.
Speculation: Earth has a few places where they cultivate dextro-amino food.
Speculation: But they may have been devastated during the reaper attacks.
Speculation: But even if there are a few left, will it be enough to support surviving quarians and turians?
Speculation: Will there be surviving quarians and turians?

Hard times for everyone but hard times is better than every man, woman and child being a husk. That was my whole point.

D-Proteins can be synthesized. They occur naturally as well. Some might starve but people will survive just like when there's a real life famine.

[fafnir magnus]

Codex states that allegedly, if you had enough fuel, you could cross the 150000 lightyears of the galaxy in 30 years with FTL drives. The amounts of element zero needed for this are quite impressive, considering I can't even navigate a full set of systems around one relay without needing to refuel before the next one, and sometimes half-way through. This is with the Normandy SR-2, the most advanced ship in existence, which is also now crashed and damaged in magic land.

As for salvaging element zero from dead reapers, you're implying you'd have to take the destroy option for that one. The ultimate irony is that if you pick control you should have been able to keep the relays, as it was REAPER technology (reference sovereign speech for confirmation), and yet they are still destroyed for absolutely no apparent reason.

If you did pick destroy you do not know how the reapers were destroyed, speculation means that the crucible used them like the relays, draining their eezo to unleash more energy waves.

Modifié par fafnir magnus, 03 avril 2012 - 09:09 .

[cutegigi]

Ah, a troll after all. Shoud have known.

For what it's worth, though, you can't plant anything on Earth after the Reapers are gone. It's inhabitable thanks to (tens of) thounsand(s) of projectile impacts and a 44km Citadel crashing down. Good luck growing food in a nuclear winter(or whatever a nuclear winter is called if it isn't actually nuclear).

dont forgetthe seeds !!!!
im obsessed with seeds 

[Monarchos915]

Funkdrspot wrote...

Occulo wrote...

Joker was flying the Normandy away from the explosion as fast as he could.
Speculation: the explosions harm spaceships in some way.

Most of the forces Shepard's amassed are in spaceships, with the exception of those made up of vorcha and krogans.
Speculation: those ships are all screwed, especially the ones that can't fly as fast as the Normandy.
Speculation: most, if not all quarians, are on a spaceship of some sort. In the Migrant Fleet.

Turians and quarians both rely on dextro-amino foods.
Speculation: the turians didn't bring dextro-amino plants and compatible soil to Earth's surface.
Speculation: Earth has a few places where they cultivate dextro-amino food.
Speculation: But they may have been devastated during the reaper attacks.
Speculation: But even if there are a few left, will it be enough to support surviving quarians and turians?
Speculation: Will there be surviving quarians and turians?

Hard times for everyone but hard times is better than every man, woman and child being a husk. That was my whole point.

D-Proteins can be synthesized. They occur naturally as well. Some might starve but people will survive just like when there's a real life famine.

If you are telling a story and the only to way for someone to make sense of it is with a formal education in organic chemistry, then you're doing it wrong and expecting too much of your audience. So yes, it is a valid complaint.

[Funkdrspot]

BobbyDylan wrote...

What we KNOW:

1.) Mass Relays, when destroyed, go super-nova and wipe out the system they're in.
2.) Palvern was under attack and burning. Ranoch was only just being re-settled.
3.) Earth is basically a burnt world, a shadow of what it was.
4.) No species has the technology to rebuild the Mass Relays.

Based on this I think it's safe to assume:

1:) Any system with a relay in it, is f*cked, everyone in them is dead.

This is about as wrong as wrong gets. We've already talk about it in this thread but the explosion from the alpha relay is nowhere close to the energy release of the crucible.

Plus we can see this more clearly in the different destroy endings.

BobbyDylan wrote...2:) Even (by some miracle of magic) the fleets around earth were not destoryed they're cut off and most likely had limeted supplies due to the sate of the fleets and the availability of said supply.

Cut off from their home planets but not from landing or taking shuttles to earth.

BobbyDylan wrote...3:) Earth is unlikely to be able to supply the existing surving popluation, never mind the million or so extra mouths in space. This is assuming that the munitions missing the Reapers and the falling destroyed Citadel (was it 1/4 the mass of the moon, right?) did not wipe out all life on earth in a nuclear winter.

Yep. Some will die but some dying is tons better than everyone dying so I call that a victory.

BobbyDylan wrote...4:) Since relays were integral to the galactic comunity, and no one can rebuild them, Mass effect as you know it is gone. Congrats on making peace between Tuiran and Krogan, they'll never see eachother again. Except for the war that's about to break out over earth (if the Sol system even exists at all).

If the Mass Effect series has shown me anything it's that everything can be reverse engineered if given enough time, like the mini-relay on IIos & the citadel. Or the Thanix cannons.

[fafnir magnus]

Oh have we finally given up on him?

I wanted to go back to ESP military.

The Turians and Quarians knew all along that the mass relays would be destroyed, used magic to move the relays, and then sent full terraforming equipment with their ships to help them fix the earth and establish a special zone with dextro-based crops. Turians brought females so they could have kids and not just die of old age instead of starve.

Mass relays are magically rediscovered, the holy grail is actually element zero deposits, huge reserves allow the mass relay network to be established in just under a century. Asari laugh it off as a lost century and get back to becoming biotic ascendants, Krogan somehow manage to restore tuchanka in the intervening years without the relay network.

Magic makes the waves from the relays actually rain food down of the proper types on all planets, averting starvations,

and Space Jesus rides in on a white stallion promising me more DLC.

OH JOY

[Direwolf0294]

You know even if they managed to rebuild a mass relay it's not going to matter because it won't connect to anything. Either all the different people stuck around the galaxy are going to have to somehow coordinate the building of relays for each system and somehow connect them together, which would be an almost impossible task because not only would it be hard to communicate across the systems but also a lot of the systems aren't going to have the resources or people power to build a relay in the first place. The other option is to build a relay in one system and then use FTL to travel to another system to build a connecting relay, something that would take years to do. While it is possible that the galaxy may one day rebuild the relays it's going to take a long, long time. Long enough that all the characters we care about and all the people that survived the Reapers are going to be long dead. No matter how you try and spin it the galaxy in the short term is screwed.

[Funkdrspot]

Monarchos915 wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

Occulo wrote...

Joker was flying the Normandy away from the explosion as fast as he could.
Speculation: the explosions harm spaceships in some way.

Most of the forces Shepard's amassed are in spaceships, with the exception of those made up of vorcha and krogans.
Speculation: those ships are all screwed, especially the ones that can't fly as fast as the Normandy.
Speculation: most, if not all quarians, are on a spaceship of some sort. In the Migrant Fleet.

Turians and quarians both rely on dextro-amino foods.
Speculation: the turians didn't bring dextro-amino plants and compatible soil to Earth's surface.
Speculation: Earth has a few places where they cultivate dextro-amino food.
Speculation: But they may have been devastated during the reaper attacks.
Speculation: But even if there are a few left, will it be enough to support surviving quarians and turians?
Speculation: Will there be surviving quarians and turians?

Hard times for everyone but hard times is better than every man, woman and child being a husk. That was my whole point.

D-Proteins can be synthesized. They occur naturally as well. Some might starve but people will survive just like when there's a real life famine.

If you are telling a story and the only to way for someone to make sense of it is with a formal education in organic chemistry, then you're doing it wrong and expecting too much of your audience. So yes, it is a valid complaint.

ROFL i never said the ending wasn't full of fail, baked in extra delicious fail sauce.

I'm just simply pointing out that it's not a plot hole like everyone thinks it is where everyone is doomed to die anyways. How many massive famines have we had on earth? Yet we still survive and multiply and we don't have 1/10th of the tech.