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[Geomon19]

This thread is hilarious.

[Occulo]

What concerns me the most is that even if you do resolve the conflict between the geth and quarians, most, if not all of them will be on a ship. And since the explosions seem to damage ships, and most quarians are on ships, then you're sentencing them to obliteration anyway.

[D.I.Y_Death]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

iorveth1271 wrote...

I think you missed the fact that there will be no farming and hunting when there's no worlds to hunt or farm, let alone live on. Mass Relay destructions, according to Arrival, lead to Supernovas, the energy used to destroy the relay doesn't matter there. I dunno why everyone believes people in the Sol system will starve. The way I see it they would most likely just get pulverized.

To everyone responding the same way, I've already answered this in what I see as logical.

Slam an asteroid to a mass relay = solar system explosion

Crucible energy beam = same energy released but to ALL solar systems within that cluster 



It's like lighting a drop of gas on the ground vs in your cylinder.

Sorry but all that is is :lol:SPECULATION:lol:

All we know for certain and from previous history is that when you blow up a Relay the relay goes Nova.

So is your point of view, it's speculation that an asteroid colliding with a mass relay will interact the same was the crucible will with mass relays.
Point being this is all up for debate, don't act like your subjectiveness is the only opinion.

[Funkdrspot]

fafnir magnus wrote...

Oh have we finally given up on him?

I wanted to go back to ESP military.

The Turians and Quarians knew all along that the mass relays would be destroyed, used magic to move the relays, and then sent full terraforming equipment with their ships to help them fix the earth and establish a special zone with dextro-based crops. Turians brought females so they could have kids and not just die of old age instead of starve.

Mass relays are magically rediscovered, the holy grail is actually element zero deposits, huge reserves allow the mass relay network to be established in just under a century. Asari laugh it off as a lost century and get back to becoming biotic ascendants, Krogan somehow manage to restore tuchanka in the intervening years without the relay network.

Magic makes the waves from the relays actually rain food down of the proper types on all planets, averting starvations,

and Space Jesus rides in on a white stallion promising me more DLC.

OH JOY

So you're taking to sarcasm to remove the sting of me spanking you about the whole Dextro protein thing, huh? 

[fafnir magnus]

If you have to fall back on your O-chem education to defend your stance you're already lost, and you got one point out of about 6. Hope you're proud, that education brought you a minor victory in a speculative forum argument that you're still losing because you're the only one still taking this seriously

[Funkdrspot]

count_4 wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

count_4 wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...
I just figured it had something to do with the special teleporter that the Normandy was using.

What teleporter? 

You know, the teleporter Joker used to pick your squad up with.

Ah, a troll after all. Shoud have known.

For what it's worth, though, you can't plant anything on Earth after the Reapers are gone. It's inhabitable thanks to (tens of) thounsand(s) of projectile impacts and a 44km Citadel crashing down. Good luck growing food in a nuclear winter(or whatever a nuclear winter is called if it isn't actually nuclear).

You guys are pretty bitter and pessimistic in this form. 1 joke makes me a troll now?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The relays might not destroy the solar systems, but the discharge from the explosion will fry all electronics in the star system, and probably cause cancers and mutations of life forms on the planets, and cause a mass extinction. The relays do blow apart in all of the endings, just not like the one in Arrival.

This makes interstellar travel as we know it impossible. But that point is moot since the only life remaining is on worlds in systems that didn't have mass relays in the first place. So Shepard's "sacrifice" for all was almost for nothing and it possibly killed hundreds of billions anyway but left the planet except for the biospheres intact. That's the problem.

[Funkdrspot]

fafnir magnus wrote...

If you have to fall back on your O-chem education to defend your stance you're already lost, and you got one point out of about 6. Hope you're proud, that education brought you a minor victory in a speculative forum argument that you're still losing because you're the only one still taking this seriously

Still more sarcasm to dull the sting of being wrong instead of just manning up? How about you don't talk about things you know nothing about....I'm just shootin' the s--t on my opinion while you seem to be getting rather mad for no reason.

[cutegigi]

fafnir magnus wrote...

Oh have we finally given up on him?

I wanted to go back to ESP military.

The Turians and Quarians knew all along that the mass relays would be destroyed, used magic to move the relays, and then sent full terraforming equipment with their ships to help them fix the earth and establish a special zone with dextro-based crops. Turians brought females so they could have kids and not just die of old age instead of starve.

Mass relays are magically rediscovered, the holy grail is actually element zero deposits, huge reserves allow the mass relay network to be established in just under a century. Asari laugh it off as a lost century and get back to becoming biotic ascendants, Krogan somehow manage to restore tuchanka in the intervening years without the relay network.

Magic makes the waves from the relays actually rain food down of the proper types on all planets, averting starvations,

and Space Jesus rides in on a white stallion promising me more DLC.

OH JOY

I like your DLC idea and would like to subscribe to our newsletter!

ps: I would like to humbly suggest white rachni queen instead of white stallion. Only the best for Space Jesus.

[fafnir magnus]

I'm not the mad one here bro I agreed with you, didn't you read my second to last post? the quarians and turians knew all along, and planned for it. It can't be a plothole because magic will make all the marginal things fall into place. GOD DID IT ALL ALONG! or the catalyst, or space jesus, or whatever name we're attributing to random cosmic providence

Your every post is such a tribute to the true genius of the writers that they managed to create a nice complete ending to everything, even though you actually think the ending is crap

I think they should quote you for reviews, maybe you could come up with a one liner like "It could have been worse", or "makes me feel more validated as a forum commentator" . PURE GOLD

[B3ckett]

The relays explode, 'cause Shepard ticked of the Reapers and they thought of the ulitmate troll act. Let him think he saves and make him destroy as much as it is possible. And then we'll show him (thus the breathe-in) how stupid he was. And that will be done by Harbringer.

That's why he left when Shepard was closing on the vortex. He couldn't contain his laughter so he left for a tour of Big Ben.

[Funkdrspot]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The relays might not destroy the solar systems, but the discharge from the explosion will fry all electronics in the star system, and probably cause cancers and mutations of life forms on the planets, and cause a mass extinction. The relays do blow apart in all of the endings, just not like the one in Arrival.

This makes interstellar travel as we know it impossible. But that point is moot since the only life remaining is on worlds in systems that didn't have mass relays in the first place. So Shepard's "sacrifice" for all was almost for nothing and it possibly killed hundreds of billions anyway but left the planet except for the biospheres intact. That's the problem.

I mean i know we're all taking part in the that is 'Speculation from Everyone' but yours seems to be stretching it a bit. There are tons of different types of radiation that we bathe in all day long that don't cause cancers ( that we know of ). 

[Chrishenanigans]

I just wanted to see a galaxy setting that I've come to love continue past ME3. Wrecking the relays just precludes the possibilities of new, post-Reaper stories, and I was ready to spend unreasonable amounts of money for that stuff.

As it stands, it seems like prequels are all that's in the works, and that doesn't pique my interest.

[Funkdrspot]

fafnir magnus wrote...

I'm not the mad one here bro I agreed with you, didn't you read my second to last post? the quarians and turians knew all along, and planned for it. It can't be a plothole because magic will make all the marginal things fall into place. GOD DID IT ALL ALONG! or the catalyst, or space jesus, or whatever name we're attributing to random cosmic providence

Your every post is such a tribute to the true genius of the writers that they managed to create a nice complete ending to everything, even though you actually think the ending is crap

I think they should quote you for reviews, maybe you could come up with a one liner like "It could have been worse", or "makes me feel more validated as a forum commentator" . PURE GOLD

LoL. Dripping with sarcasm and fallacy but whatever gets you through these tough times.

So if i don't have a problem with 1 part of the ending then I must not have a problem with any of it. Good to know.

[BobbyDylan]

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Funkdrspot wrote
This is about as wrong as wrong gets. We've already talk about it in this thread but the explosion from the alpha relay is nowhere close to the energy release of the crucible.

Based on what? Sorry, the game provides no indication or evidance that the destruction of the relays will be different "this time round". Sorry, but assuming that is is different is just trying to interprate the intentions of the writers, ans is not grounded in game Lore.

Funkdrspot wrote
Cut off from their home planets but not from landing or taking shuttles to earth.

Or the moon, or Mars or any lifeless body in the Sol system,

Funkdrspot wrote

Yep. Some will die but some dying is tons better than everyone dying so I call that a victory.

No, they'll all die. It's unlikely that the turians and quarians brought enough food to resettle a planet after a war, and even if they did, it's doest matter. Earth is a burt rock. Not only was it set ablaze, but its had hudreds of nuclear sized explosions impact on it as munitions from sword fleet rain down on it. That and the mass of 1/4 the moon is going to cause a few problems. Good luck growing food when no sunlight and pass throught he dust and smoke in the atmosphere. Or did the  fix this problem too?

Funkdrspot wrote
If the Mass Effect series has shown me anything it's that everything can be reverse engineered if given enough time, like the mini-relay on IIos & the citadel. Or the Thanix cannons

Perhaps, in an ideal situation, that might be possible. but even if it were possible, the races in Sol System are gonna be pretty occupied to studdy a destroyed mass relay. Keep in mind that even if they did re-build one (by some  explanation, it'd be useless unless there was another one somewhere. So not only would the turians and quarians be faced with the task of maintaining their fleets, but working on growing food on a dead word, protecting their resourses from their "allys" and building a mass relay that may not go anywhere, cos no one else has built one.

Modifié par BobbyDylan, 03 avril 2012 - 09:30 .

[fafnir magnus]

Sir I understand education in organic chemistry undermines general reading comprehension, but I'd just like to point out I said you were defending aspects of an ending you yourself called a piece of crap at no point did I say you loved or hated the thing in its entirety, but since I'm engaging in sarcasm and laughter you can feel free to engage in self-delusion

[Joccaren]

A few things:
1. Eezo is not consumed as a fuel. That is chemical fuel - Helium 3 - that is used, or Antimatter for Military ships [So, Antimatter as fuel for 90% of Sword/Shield/Hammer]. Eezo is not used up at all, it simply builds up a charge on your ship that needs to be discharged often.
2. In Destroy or Synthesis, all life on Earth is f***ed. Before you go 'Not all life, some will survive!' you are being extremely optimistic there.
What happened:
-Majority of infrustructure destroyed by orbital bombardment by Both Sword Fleet and Reapers
-A lot of 'farming land' turned into infrustructure that was destroyed, or that is flat out destroyed by the Reapers.
-Something with 1/4 mass of the moon crashed onto the Earth. For those who do not get the Ramifications of this: Around the impact zome, everything will be vapourised. I'm estimating all of the UK is now gone. Massive Tidal waves will sweep across the world thanks to the force of this impact, causing Tsunamis anywhere that is connected to an ocean. Tons of ash and debris is sent into the air, forming a cloud of dust that covers the ENTIRE EARTH. Nowhere gets any sunlight, and most - if not all - plants die. Holes are torn in the atmosphere so that once that dust cloud eventually settles (Several months later), life on Earth is subjected to intense radiation.
What does this mean? The already low resources on Earth are utterly destroyed, and the fleet has to rely on its own supplies to survive. Really, the only ones getting out of this alive are the Turians and Quarians. Why? Quarian Live Ships. They grow food for the Quarian people. Food that the Turians can eat as well. Everyone else has maybe a month of food aboard their ships - if they're even that well stocked [Remember, the entire galaxy has been under siege. There hasn't been a lot of opportunity to get food to every ship, and many were likely already running purely off those rations]. In addition to that, a ton of Helium 3 is needed to get out of the Sol system to search for food, as are reliable places to dump drive charge. There is a chance they will survive, but it is unlikely. More likely the Quarians and Turians become space Nomads, and all other species die in orbit of Earth, or in the ensuing wars for whatever meagre resources the fleet can muster.

This is assuming the radiation from the relay explosions didn't kill them, and the Crucible radiation didn't disable them all.

[Funkdrspot]

Chrishenanigans wrote...

I just wanted to see a galaxy setting that I've come to love continue past ME3. Wrecking the relays just precludes the possibilities of new, post-Reaper stories, and I was ready to spend unreasonable amounts of money for that stuff.

As it stands, it seems like prequels are all that's in the works, and that doesn't pique my interest.

I'm right there with you, trust me. However I think a sequel could DEFINITELY be done. Maybe not with most of the current cast but possibly within 100 yrs or so

[Dire Wombat]

The Stargazer scene seems to imply massive devastation leading to a galactic dark age...

I mean, enough time has passed for Shepard's story to have become some sort of legend ("The [Shepherd/Shepard]"), and they're still wondering what's out in space? ("Anything you can imagine!") I mean, the scene is vague, but I can't find a way to interpret it that makes sense without saying "Yeah, it looks like these people are part of a civilization that hasn't yet gotten back out of its solar system." Since ME-universe FTL would allow significant colonization and exploration, just not galactic-scale civilization like the relays allowed, the scene just doesn't make sense if we believe that humanity's non-relay technology survived. They should at least have some CONTACT with people on other worlds, instead of just imagining them. So, what? Did everyone just stop using their ships and then forget how to make them? Or was there such widespread death and destruction sufficient to cause the loss of such crucial technologies?

I'm not citing the scene as evidence of anything (honestly I think it was just horribly written), but I can't watch that scene and come away with the OP's apparent impression that the loss of the relays was just a "1st-world problem" and not a cultural catastrophe.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

iorveth1271 wrote...

I think you missed the fact that there will be no farming and hunting when there's no worlds to hunt or farm, let alone live on. Mass Relay destructions, according to Arrival, lead to Supernovas, the energy used to destroy the relay doesn't matter there. I dunno why everyone believes people in the Sol system will starve. The way I see it they would most likely just get pulverized.

To everyone responding the same way, I've already answered this in what I see as logical.

Slam an asteroid to a mass relay = solar system explosion

Crucible energy beam = same energy released but to ALL solar systems within that cluster 



It's like lighting a drop of gas on the ground vs in your cylinder.

Sorry but all that is is :lol:SPECULATION:lol:

All we know for certain and from previous history is that when you blow up a Relay the relay goes Nova.

So is your point of view, it's speculation that an asteroid colliding with a mass relay will interact the same was the crucible will with mass relays.
Point being this is all up for debate, don't act like your subjectiveness is the only opinion.

No we know that destroying a relay releases all the energy pent up inside of it at once. It doesn't matter how it was released (ie asteroid/ citadel wave) all that matters is the field containing the energy is gone. That energy has to go somewhere and even if some of it does travel across the relay network the rest still spreads out from the relay, and a little supernova is still not something you want to be in the neighborhood in.

[count_4]

Funkdrspot wrote...

count_4 wrote...
Ah, a troll after all. Shoud have known.

For what it's worth, though, you can't plant anything on Earth after the Reapers are gone. It's inhabitable thanks to (tens of) thounsand(s) of projectile impacts and a 44km Citadel crashing down. Good luck growing food in a nuclear winter(or whatever a nuclear winter is called if it isn't actually nuclear).

You guys are pretty bitter and pessimistic in this form. 1 joke makes me a troll now?

I like how you only reply to my troll statement and completely ignore the rest. 

[Funkdrspot]

Joccaren wrote...

A few things:
1. Eezo is not consumed as a fuel. That is chemical fuel - Helium 3 - that is used, or Antimatter for Military ships [So, Antimatter as fuel for 90% of Sword/Shield/Hammer]. Eezo is not used up at all, it simply builds up a charge on your ship that needs to be discharged often.

Thanks for the info.

Joccaren wrote...2. In Destroy or Synthesis, all life on Earth is f***ed. Before you go 'Not all life, some will survive!' you are being extremely optimistic there.
What happened:
-Majority of infrustructure destroyed by orbital bombardment by Both Sword Fleet and Reapers
-A lot of 'farming land' turned into infrustructure that was destroyed, or that is flat out destroyed by the Reapers.

all of that can be rebuilt but especially with the tech they have it would be effortless.

Joccaren wrote...
-Something with 1/4 mass of the moon crashed onto the Earth. For those who do not get the Ramifications of this: Around the impact zome, everything will be vapourised. I'm estimating all of the UK is now gone. Massive Tidal waves will sweep across the world thanks to the force of this impact, causing Tsunamis anywhere that is connected to an ocean. Tons of ash and debris is sent into the air, forming a cloud of dust that covers the ENTIRE EARTH. Nowhere gets any sunlight, and most - if not all - plants die. Holes are torn in the atmosphere so that once that dust cloud eventually settles (Several months later), life on Earth is subjected to intense radiation.
What does this mean? The already low resources on Earth are utterly destroyed, and the fleet has to rely on its own supplies to survive. Really, the only ones getting out of this alive are the Turians and Quarians. Why? Quarian Live Ships. They grow food for the Quarian people. Food that the Turians can eat as well. Everyone else has maybe a month of food aboard their ships - if they're even that well stocked [Remember, the entire galaxy has been under siege. There hasn't been a lot of opportunity to get food to every ship, and many were likely already running purely off those rations]. In addition to that, a ton of Helium 3 is needed to get out of the Sol system to search for food, as are reliable places to dump drive charge. There is a chance they will survive, but it is unlikely. More likely the Quarians and Turians become space Nomads, and all other species die in orbit of Earth, or in the ensuing wars for whatever meagre resources the fleet can muster.

This is assuming the radiation from the relay explosions didn't kill them, and the Crucible radiation didn't disable them all.

When you guys are thinking about the damage a chunk of the citadel falling to earth would do, you're thinking about asteroid-type impact, but the citadel wouldn't be speeding towards earth.
A chunk of the citadel falling to earth wouldn't cause anything close to that nuclear winter you're talking about.

Maybe i didn't read up on a part about the citadel compared to the moon but it looks NOTHING close to 1/4th the size of the moon. More like 1/10th.

Lastly, when I see the citadel explode, it doesn't seem that it's going anywhere. It seems to be staying in earth's orbit.

www.youtube.com/watch

[Transgirlgamer]

Assuming that for some reason the Mass Relays being destroyed doesn't wipe out all life in the systems they're in, something Bioware has to explain if they set anything after this, then I figure the transit problem is easily sorted out. Who says that Mass Relay travel is the only way to get around? Gagarin Station used to be a research platform for interstellar travel technologies. Why can't some of the scientists have carried on their research when it was shut down? What about the other races? Who knows what technologies they're keeping classified?

[Funkdrspot]

count_4 wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

count_4 wrote...
Ah, a troll after all. Shoud have known.

For what it's worth, though, you can't plant anything on Earth after the Reapers are gone. It's inhabitable thanks to (tens of) thounsand(s) of projectile impacts and a 44km Citadel crashing down. Good luck growing food in a nuclear winter(or whatever a nuclear winter is called if it isn't actually nuclear).

You guys are pretty bitter and pessimistic in this form. 1 joke makes me a troll now?

I like how you only reply to my troll statement and completely ignore the rest. 

LoL dood i'm trying. Some people have valid points but some want to completely nitpick every minute detail. Hard to respond to everyone.

[MadRabbit999]

Considering the reapers have killed millions if not close to a billion humans, and the fleet that goes against the reaper is how big? A million? two? Plenty of space left on earth.

Quarians also have the largest supply of space growing food that will suit the Turians too, so they can create more of these farms on earth, meanwhile the rest of the species will start finding new ways to space travel, or simply prepare themselves for 10+ years of space voyage before returning home.

This is my fictional point of view, which is no less valid than any other theories which we can come up with without any proofs.

I do not see any reason either to get upset about the mass relays explosions (Which was the thread subject I believe, and not the endings).