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[STEEEEVE]

I have only read the first 2 pages, but the fact that so many people have bought Blacqout's troll is pathetic. It wasn't even good, or creative. 3/10 blacqout for getting the fools to reply.

[MadMatt910]

Barict78 wrote...

MadMatt910 wrote...

Barict78 wrote...

MadMatt910 wrote...

For reference, I worked with a couple of people to make a list of plot holes we could find. If the ending makes sense then they should all be answerable with only a little speculation

http://social.biowar.../index/10054944

There are some that are nitpicking admitedly, and the list doesnt contain all plot holes that have been mentioned. However the majority of these points seemed to be agreed upon by a number of people as issues.

Good post tho at least ur doing something constructive with ur time. *claps* !

I get the impression this is supposed to be sarcastic. If a few disgruntled fans get together in order to produce a list of plot problems that need addressing in order to have such a list, either for Bioware to see or for use at times like this is a complete waste of time then thats your opinion.

If thats not sarcastic then my apologies , sometimes these things don't translate so well via text and theres plenty of trolls around on these forums.

No it was not and i apologize if it came off that way im a little off today myself. But no i was being serious its actually way more constructive to do things like what you did then to go to every post and Flame about what you dont like.

No not at all, based on a lot of this thread I was a little paranoid about intended meaning . I think the only way to do anything productive here is to look at things as objectively as possible. In my opinion, if pro ending players cannot at least answer the majority of questions in that post without relying on any major jumps of logic or speculation then theres problems.

[MetalCargo999]

blacqout wrote...

If you couldn't follow the narrative closely enough, or give the major themes due contemplation, then maybe you should just call it a day and leave.

The ending made sense. I get that you dislike it, but whining like a child is just rather sad. Good day.

Awesome bro.  Can you explain it to me?  I've been trying to figure it out for like 3 weeks now and I can't.  All the people who like the ending have never stepped up to the plate to explain it to me.  Can you do what they can't?

[CaliGuy033]

MadRabbit999 wrote...

I kept saying "guys, they said they will be trying to explain the endings a little more, they never said they were going to change them", but most people just ignored that, and read what they want to read.

Denial is a powerful thing.  It's especially powerful when you have certain people who have put so much emotion into a game and don't seem to have much else going.

[blacqout]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

If you couldn't follow the narrative closely enough, or give the major themes due contemplation, then maybe you should just call it a day and leave.

The ending made sense. I get that you dislike it, but whining like a child is just rather sad. Good day.

Awesome bro.  Can you explain it to me?  I've been trying to figure it out for like 3 weeks now and I can't.  All the people who like the ending have never stepped up to the plate to explain it to me.  Can you do what they can't?

Which parts are causing you trouble?

[Stygian1]

Noatz wrote...

Good grief, this has gone on long enough.

Blacqout was made as a troll in his first few replies of the topic and 9 pages later people are still biting.

In fact anyone who has spent more than a day on these forums should already know this since he does the same thing in every topic - insinuate (or in this case flat out state) that he is more intelligent than everybody else while refusing to actually engage in a real argument since he has no credible basis for his views.

Its textbook trolling, though he isn't the best of the pro ending trolls I've seen. Not that you have to be good to provoke BSN.

I agree with you entirely, but I also should add that the only reason trolls are having such a field day on this forum is that they can play of their own ignorance to agitate an already emotionally distraught crowd. I haven't seen a single troll with truely amiable trolling skills since I began watching this whole fiasco. They're all pretty blatant about their intentions--and Blacqout is easily the most insipid of them all. 

EDIT: I agree with the OP as well, and as a side note I'd like to see Blacquot's social life--or lack there of 

Modifié par Stygian1, 03 avril 2012 - 05:32 .

[wantedman dan]

I kinda wish I got here in time to view the OP in all its glory.

[Barict78]

MadMatt910 wrote...

Barict78 wrote...

MadMatt910 wrote...

Barict78 wrote...

MadMatt910 wrote...

For reference, I worked with a couple of people to make a list of plot holes we could find. If the ending makes sense then they should all be answerable with only a little speculation

http://social.biowar.../index/10054944

There are some that are nitpicking admitedly, and the list doesnt contain all plot holes that have been mentioned. However the majority of these points seemed to be agreed upon by a number of people as issues.

Good post tho at least ur doing something constructive with ur time. *claps* !

I get the impression this is supposed to be sarcastic. If a few disgruntled fans get together in order to produce a list of plot problems that need addressing in order to have such a list, either for Bioware to see or for use at times like this is a complete waste of time then thats your opinion.

If thats not sarcastic then my apologies , sometimes these things don't translate so well via text and theres plenty of trolls around on these forums.

No it was not and i apologize if it came off that way im a little off today myself. But no i was being serious its actually way more constructive to do things like what you did then to go to every post and Flame about what you dont like.

No not at all, based on a lot of this thread I was a little paranoid about intended meaning . I think the only way to do anything productive here is to look at things as objectively as possible. In my opinion, if pro ending players cannot at least answer the majority of questions in that post without relying on any major jumps of logic or speculation then theres problems.

Exactly what ive been thinking/saying for weeks. Just took me a while to properly form my opinions on the end so as to speak on it with at keast some Intelligence(sp? dunno todays not goin so good so farlol). but no i respect what u have done and wish i had seen it long ago!

[UrgentArchengel]

So let me get this straight, according to blacqout and all the arguments and stuff, because I hated the ending do to my thinking it was simply illogical to my point of view in Mass Effect, it makes me an idiot that can't even understand what 2 + 2 equals. That's some real ignorant BS right there. Please correct me if I am wrong because everyone I've ever known says I'm smart. Saying otherwise will wreck my already low self-esteem.

[blacqout]

Stygian1 wrote...

Noatz wrote...

Good grief, this has gone on long enough.

Blacqout was made as a troll in his first few replies of the topic and 9 pages later people are still biting.

In fact anyone who has spent more than a day on these forums should already know this since he does the same thing in every topic - insinuate (or in this case flat out state) that he is more intelligent than everybody else while refusing to actually engage in a real argument since he has no credible basis for his views.

Its textbook trolling, though he isn't the best of the pro ending trolls I've seen. Not that you have to be good to provoke BSN.

I agree with you entirely, but I also should add that the only reason trolls are having such a field day on this forum is that they can play of their own ignorance to agitate an already emotionally distraught crowd. I haven't seen a single troll with truely amiable trolling skills since I began watching this whole fiasco. They're all pretty blatant about their intentions--and Blacqout is easily the most insipid of them all. 

EDIT: I agree with the OP as well, and as a side note I'd like to see Blacquot's social life--or lack there of 

It's somewhat amusing that you'd describe me as insipid, and then sign off with a primary school-level insult. Though to be honest, your post does read as though it was created with a heavy reliance on a thesaurus. It doesn't flow naturally.

The real reason that there are so many trolls, is that there are actually just a lot of people that happen to have liked the ending, and people of such delicate mental dispositions, such as yourself, automatically consider contrasting views to be formed with the intention of mildly annoying a web community.

Like your petty jibe, it's rather pathetic.

[MadMatt910]

Barict78 wrote...

MadMatt910 wrote...

Barict78 wrote...

MadMatt910 wrote...

Barict78 wrote...

MadMatt910 wrote...

For reference, I worked with a couple of people to make a list of plot holes we could find. If the ending makes sense then they should all be answerable with only a little speculation

http://social.biowar.../index/10054944

There are some that are nitpicking admitedly, and the list doesnt contain all plot holes that have been mentioned. However the majority of these points seemed to be agreed upon by a number of people as issues.

Good post tho at least ur doing something constructive with ur time. *claps* !

I get the impression this is supposed to be sarcastic. If a few disgruntled fans get together in order to produce a list of plot problems that need addressing in order to have such a list, either for Bioware to see or for use at times like this is a complete waste of time then thats your opinion.

If thats not sarcastic then my apologies , sometimes these things don't translate so well via text and theres plenty of trolls around on these forums.

No it was not and i apologize if it came off that way im a little off today myself. But no i was being serious its actually way more constructive to do things like what you did then to go to every post and Flame about what you dont like.

No not at all, based on a lot of this thread I was a little paranoid about intended meaning . I think the only way to do anything productive here is to look at things as objectively as possible. In my opinion, if pro ending players cannot at least answer the majority of questions in that post without relying on any major jumps of logic or speculation then theres problems.

Exactly what ive been thinking/saying for weeks. Just took me a while to properly form my opinions on the end so as to speak on it with at keast some Intelligence(sp? dunno todays not goin so good so farlol). but no i respect what u have done and wish i had seen it long ago!

Thanks, I also did one on the evidence for having dark energy as a reaper motivation, with evidence of its foreshadowing. I think its relevant to put it here since Bioware would only really need to change from going up the elevator onwards. I think it also fits the games better, mainly because it doesn't suddenly make organic vs synthetics the main theme. It wasnt a major theme in ME2 and really, ME1's plot would have been virtually identical if the geth were replaced by quarians. The fact they were synthetic was never important. Maybe thats just my opinion but it is somethign that shoudl be considered by people who are pro ending.

http://social.biowar...5/index/9831144

[Stygian1]

When anyone ever states they are above average intelligence on the interwebz, it always makes me think "Oh great, we have an imbecile on here... probably should move on to another thread as this is discussion is going to get stupid, FAST."

The statement is so obnoxious it basically proves you are anything but intelligent. You have to realize the futility of trying to prove "intelligence" over the confines of forum chat... master common sense before you move on to more complex ideologies.

EDIT: just read half of your response to my last post, if you feel like my vocabulary didn't flow well maybe you should try to expand upon your own. Didn't read the rest. 


/done feeding troll, heading to lunch.

Modifié par Stygian1, 03 avril 2012 - 05:45 .

[blacqout]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

So let me get this straight, according to blacqout and all the arguments and stuff, because I hated the ending do to my thinking it was simply illogical to my point of view in Mass Effect, it makes me an idiot that can't even understand what 2 + 2 equals. That's some real ignorant BS right there. Please correct me if I am wrong because everyone I've ever known says I'm smart. Saying otherwise will wreck my already low self-esteem.

To be fair, Mass Effect is slightly more complex. It's more like 87.392 x -1.3434234 .

But basically, yeah. If you don't understand the ending, you didn't understand the story all along. You misinterpreted it.

Modifié par blacqout, 03 avril 2012 - 05:48 .

[UrgentArchengel]

blacqout wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

So let me get this straight, according to blacqout and all the arguments and stuff, because I hated the ending do to my thinking it was simply illogical to my point of view in Mass Effect, it makes me an idiot that can't even understand what 2 + 2 equals. That's some real ignorant BS right there. Please correct me if I am wrong because everyone I've ever known says I'm smart. Saying otherwise will wreck my already low self-esteem.

To be fair, Mass Effect is slightly more complex. It's more like 87.392 x -1.3434234 .

But basically, yeah. If you don't understand the ending, you didn't understand the story all along. You misinterpreted it.

Let me ask a simple question that I am surprised nobody has asked you yet.  What is Mass Effect really about?  Maybe you can help me understand it.

[MadMatt910]

blacqout wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

So let me get this straight, according to blacqout and all the arguments and stuff, because I hated the ending do to my thinking it was simply illogical to my point of view in Mass Effect, it makes me an idiot that can't even understand what 2 + 2 equals. That's some real ignorant BS right there. Please correct me if I am wrong because everyone I've ever known says I'm smart. Saying otherwise will wreck my already low self-esteem.

To be fair, Mass Effect is slightly more complex. It's more like 87.392 x -1.3434234 .

But basically, yeah. If you don't understand the ending, you didn't understand the story all along. You misinterpreted it.

Would just note that, even though you seem adamant to prove that you are correct and that the endings are good, you failed to attempt to answer any questions from the thread I posted earlier: http://social.biowar...944/10#10950560

What you are doing at the moment is trolling/flaming, regardless of whether you are a troll or not. Perhaps presenting some facts would do your arguments some good.

As far as intelligence goes, I would doubt that you have any idea what most of the people on this forum do in real life, statements like your earlier one are inflammatory and generally misinformed.

[MetalCargo999]

blacqout wrote...

MetalCargo999 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

If you couldn't follow the narrative closely enough, or give the major themes due contemplation, then maybe you should just call it a day and leave.

The ending made sense. I get that you dislike it, but whining like a child is just rather sad. Good day.

Awesome bro.  Can you explain it to me?  I've been trying to figure it out for like 3 weeks now and I can't.  All the people who like the ending have never stepped up to the plate to explain it to me.  Can you do what they can't?

Which parts are causing you trouble?

 
My foremost problem at the moment is logical consistency and continuity; not just situational continuity, but thematic and structural continuity within the third game (not the trilogy as a whole). While themes like synthetic vs. organic are prominent in this game, it would appear as though Shepard, through his possible actions, can be the solution to the problem himself. The moral of the Geth/Quarian war and its peaceful resolution appears to be that our actions of understanding and compassion are what is required to bring unity and dissolve the conflicts between organics and synthetics. EDI is another example of an unshackled AI that Shepard guides to make good moral decisions, and not rebel against her organic creators. In fact, she even falls in love with an organic. Essentially, it would seem that the conflict between synthetics and organics is a manufactured conflict and is not inherent in either organic or synthetic nature, therefore making the conflicts resoluble (as Shepard possibly experiences in the game).

I experienced those very things in my paragon play through. Then comes the now infamous Starchild. I encounter it, and it tells me that I am the first to have made it to this point, even though technically I didn't. I would have died had the child not lifted me up to see him. This calls into question the true motive of Starchild, who as we know, is likely an AI who has reached the state of consciousness called "singularity" (the underlying idea behind the entire ending sequence) becoming as close to a god as physically possible. The catalyst recognizes new possible solutions to the O. vs S. conflict, but requires Shepard to execute said solutions.

Now let's observe the Starhild's solution. He says that the reapers were created to bring order to chaos by "pruning" organic life and converting it to reaper life, thus preventing the total annihilation of organic life. His solution is a solution to the inevitability of S. vs O. causing the extinction of O. While this solution is not the cleverest of them, it is nonetheless logically consistent within itself. When I first heard the Starchild say this, I thought I knew where the ending was going. As a result of my decisions in how I resolved the O. vs. S. conflicts in the game, I would have arguments to use against the catalyst's logic which, while consistent, is contradictory to Shepard's experience. But this never came. Instead, Shepard becomes a passive character accepting the logic of the catalyst when only an hour before I had already resolved the O. vs. S. conflict of this cycle, breaking the intial cycle of O. vs S. that cause the reaper cycle to be a solution to the problem. Then I am presented with three options, presented as logical outworkings of the S. vs O. conflict, and then I sit there wondering why only people who played the game a certain way get an ending that makes sense (because it IS a legitimate ending) but why some people who played the game a certain way don't (it is, however, not a one size fits all ending).

My resolution of the O vs S rendered the catalyst's solution and also the crucible's solutions meaningless, since the reapers were no longer a necessary threat, and the O vs S, as we have already seen, is not an inherent problem with the universe, but is manufactured and can be resolved. When I say the ending has no meaning and doesn't take my decisions into account, this is what I mean. No ending seems to have been written for people who played the third game (not even the trilogy argument here) like I did. I don't want an entirely different ending, I just want one with more options, or AT LEAST a head nod in my direction for what I did in the game.

[blacqout]

MadMatt910 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

So let me get this straight, according to blacqout and all the arguments and stuff, because I hated the ending do to my thinking it was simply illogical to my point of view in Mass Effect, it makes me an idiot that can't even understand what 2 + 2 equals. That's some real ignorant BS right there. Please correct me if I am wrong because everyone I've ever known says I'm smart. Saying otherwise will wreck my already low self-esteem.

To be fair, Mass Effect is slightly more complex. It's more like 87.392 x -1.3434234 .

But basically, yeah. If you don't understand the ending, you didn't understand the story all along. You misinterpreted it.

Would just note that, even though you seem adamant to prove that you are correct and that the endings are good, you failed to attempt to answer any questions from the thread I posted earlier: http://social.biowar...944/10#10950560

What you are doing at the moment is trolling/flaming, regardless of whether you are a troll or not. Perhaps presenting some facts would do your arguments some good.

As far as intelligence goes, I would doubt that you have any idea what most of the people on this forum do in real life, statements like your earlier one are inflammatory and generally misinformed.

I've answered most of the questions posed in this thread. I didn't read your discussion.

[The Night Mammoth]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

blacqout wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

So let me get this straight, according to blacqout and all the arguments and stuff, because I hated the ending do to my thinking it was simply illogical to my point of view in Mass Effect, it makes me an idiot that can't even understand what 2 + 2 equals. That's some real ignorant BS right there. Please correct me if I am wrong because everyone I've ever known says I'm smart. Saying otherwise will wreck my already low self-esteem.

To be fair, Mass Effect is slightly more complex. It's more like 87.392 x -1.3434234 .

But basically, yeah. If you don't understand the ending, you didn't understand the story all along. You misinterpreted it.

Let me ask a simple question that I am surprised nobody has asked you yet.  What is Mass Effect really about?  Maybe you can help me understand it.

Diversity makes you stronger when united. Hope trumps despair, self determination trumps fate, overcoming impossible odds is doable when you work together. 

All things  that are discarded at the end. 

[Cosmar]

blacqout wrote...

If you couldn't follow the narrative closely enough, or give the major themes due contemplation, then maybe you should just call it a day and leave.

The ending made sense. I get that you dislike it, but whining like a child is just rather sad. Good day.

No it doesn't. Go back and play all three games and do the ending again and actually think about it with your brain and you'll see that it's the wrong ending for the series.

[jumpingkaede]

Mediocre trolling is mediocre. Back in my day trolling meant something.

[UrgentArchengel]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

blacqout wrote...

UrgentArchengel wrote...

So let me get this straight, according to blacqout and all the arguments and stuff, because I hated the ending do to my thinking it was simply illogical to my point of view in Mass Effect, it makes me an idiot that can't even understand what 2 + 2 equals. That's some real ignorant BS right there. Please correct me if I am wrong because everyone I've ever known says I'm smart. Saying otherwise will wreck my already low self-esteem.

To be fair, Mass Effect is slightly more complex. It's more like 87.392 x -1.3434234 .

But basically, yeah. If you don't understand the ending, you didn't understand the story all along. You misinterpreted it.

Let me ask a simple question that I am surprised nobody has asked you yet.  What is Mass Effect really about?  Maybe you can help me understand it.

Diversity makes you stronger when united. Hope trumps despair, self determination trumps fate, overcoming impossible odds is doable when you work together. 

All things  that are discarded at the end. 

That's what I thought, but apparently I am completely wrong.

Modifié par UrgentArchengel, 03 avril 2012 - 06:04 .

[blacqout]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Mediocre trolling is mediocre. Back in my day trolling meant something.

Funny. Even ignoring the fact that you're essentially branding someone a troll for expressing an "unpopular" view.

If you're going to go out of your way to describe someone's contribution as "mediocre" you should have the common decency to contribute something a little more interesting than a legitimately lame throwaway insult.

[MetalCargo999]

So blacqout, are you gonna answer my questions? I don't mean to press you on this, but I NEED to press you on this. Mass Effect is my love, and I feel like I'm going through a heartbreaking breakup that you might be able to resolve.

[UrgentArchengel]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

So blacqout, are you gonna answer my questions? I don't mean to press you on this, but I NEED to press you on this. Mass Effect is my love, and I feel like I'm going through a heartbreaking breakup that you might be able to resolve.

Same here. Blacqout, you claim to know what ME is all about, share you invaluable wisdom with us.

[blacqout]

MetalCargo999 wrote...

So blacqout, are you gonna answer my questions? I don't mean to press you on this, but I NEED to press you on this. Mass Effect is my love, and I feel like I'm going through a heartbreaking breakup that you might be able to resolve.

I'll get to it. I'm sure that you can appreciate the difficulty in having to respond to many different people at once.

It'll have to be later though, as i'm going out to watch the Barcelona versus AC Milan match, so i can email Chelsea FC my tactical advice for the Champions League semi final, in the hope it'll be passed along to Roberto Di Matteo.

Dasvidania.