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[Azmahoony]

I'm still stuck on Earth, How long you think it would take to rebuild the mass relays and get back to Tuchanka?

[krogstor]

Esquin wrote...

blacqout wrote...

krogstor wrote...



Have a good day Shrek, I'm done feeding you.

More petty insults. One of us is a troll here, and it isn't me.

*Resists urge to make a "your mother" joke.

.... Your mother's a your mother joke.

[Bob the Elcor]

I loved it.
 
It's my favourite BioWare game, and the first time they really wrote a good enough story to compliment their usually great univereses and characters.[/quote]

Okay that answers it, he's a troll.

[/quote]

That's a little sad, don't you think?
 
Can you honestly not even consider that someone could feel differently to you on a subject? [/quote]

You said DA2 was "the first time they really wrote a good enough story to compliment their usually great universes (check your spelling btw) and characters"

That in of itself is a lie, it's a widely accepted fact DA2 sucked.
[/quote]

I don't need to pick at typos and spelling errors to make myself feel intelligent. I pity anyone that does.

The one area in which DAII disappointed me, was in the recycled enviornments. The story was incredibly good.

Though, like in ME3, they took a bit of a chance and decided to do something a little different to the usual formula. I guess that's why some people disliked it - though the game's second act stands up to anything in the fantasy RPG genre from a narrative stand point. It was brilliant.[/quote]

Have a good day Shrek, I'm done feeding you.

[/quote]

With great depression, Shrek is an ogre, not a troll.

[Lugaidster]

blacqout wrote...

If you couldn't follow the narrative closely enough, or give the major themes due contemplation, then maybe you should just call it a day and leave.

The ending made sense. I get that you dislike it, but whining like a child is just rather sad. Good day.

Oh look, we have a badass over here!

[MikeRoz]

EDIT: Never mind.

Modifié par MikeRoz, 03 avril 2012 - 12:01 .

[krogstor]

Bob the Elcor wrote...

With great depression, Shrek is an ogre, not a troll.

FUUUUU.... Wait, you're right. Crap.

[D_Dude1210]

blacqout wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

A troll AND a hypocrite...

AWESOME!!!! /highfive!

If i was a troll, surely i'd make hypocritical statements as part of the act, as they're usually deemed to be quite inflammatory.

So i guess, we're all in agreement, you're a troll and a hypocrite.

It's nice when people can agree on things. :-D

[krogstor]

MikeRoz wrote...

 Does this forum have a rule against people evading bans?

Changing my original post isn't evading a ban, that's more along the lines of making multiple accounts, circumventing IP bans, what have you.

[Bob the Elcor]

Happly, this forum is cheering me up immensely.

[ichik]

Quick 2 cents: the story in DA2 was rather good, a little bit too simple in the final, but really good in it's development and it's focus wich was different from big FOV of first game. And yes, there were a couple of plot holes here and there, a couple deus ex machina plot twists (i.e. Hawk's mother death)
DA2 had other problems (reused environments, spawning waves of enemies coming from nowhere), but the story wasn't a disaster, really. Well, except for the part where they made some things from DA:O and Awakening canon independ of real player's choice (the biggest thing is Anders and Justice OFC).

Just FYI: i don't like ME3 ending, think it's awful, but really speculation about "DA2 was just the start of the great fall bla-bla-bla" has little to do with this situation.

Modifié par ichik, 03 avril 2012 - 12:07 .

[blacqout]

Esquin wrote...

blacqout wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

A troll AND a hypocrite...

AWESOME!!!! /highfive!

If i was a troll, surely i'd make hypocritical statements as part of the act, as they're usually deemed to be quite inflammatory.

The actuality is that i enjoyed ME3's ending. It objectively made sense, and can be shown to have done so on every conceivable level. So deriding others for not being able to accept subjective opinions is not hypocritical at all.

Words mean things.

Why did shepard suddenly decide after facing impossible scenarios and always managing to beat them for years that he was going to bend over for some kid that all logic should say is an hallucination. (What with it looking like the kid on earth, the heavy blood loss, and the pseudo indoctrination TIM just pulled.)

Why did Joker suddenly run from an active war zone? The retreat order given was for ground forces, not the space fleet. We know this because the crucible is brough in after the ground retreat order is given and we can see the battle from the crucible.

How did my crew teleport to the normandy?

Just a few reasons why it doesn't make sense. Want us to believe you're not a troll? Answer those questions with words that make sense. 

I'm a big fan of Ian Fleming's 007 series. In the novels, James and M often mull over the idea that each man is born with a reserve of bravery and toughness. Up until that reserve is depleted the man can, depending on ability, do or withstand anything.

I agree with the idea, and it would seem that the writers of Mass Effect 3 do too. I recall a conversation in which Shepard has the ability to admit that he's unsure how much fight he has left in him.

He is critically wounded leading up to the events of the finale. We've never seen him in such bad physical shape (aside from when he died) and the game made the point of showing Shepard having the stuffing constantly knocked out of him on a more mental level.

I think that by the end of the trilogy, Shepard is a broken man. His well of toughness has ran dry, and he just wants desperately for the war to come to an end. That's why he's more... accommodating... of the Catalyst's views than he would usually be. This is reflected in the voice acting, i think.

Also, from a gameplay point, ME3 did use an awful lot of auto dialogue. The lack of ability to question could just be an example of BioWare forcing Shepard's hand for story reasons.

[The Night Mammoth]

I don't care so much about plot holes - although they're certainly annoying - but care more about how they took everything that made Mass Effect what it was, strangled it, threw it off a building, burned it and threw it the ocean with an anvil strapped to its legs.

The writers thought they were being clever, but turned Mass Effect into Halo in the final few minutes.

[blacqout]

krogstor wrote...

MikeRoz wrote...

 Does this forum have a rule against people evading bans?

Changing my original post isn't evading a ban, that's more along the lines of making multiple accounts, circumventing IP bans, what have you.

I think he was talking about me.

If it does, i haven't broken them. I served my two day ban.

[Esquin]

blacqout wrote...

Esquin wrote...

blacqout wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

A troll AND a hypocrite...

AWESOME!!!! /highfive!

If i was a troll, surely i'd make hypocritical statements as part of the act, as they're usually deemed to be quite inflammatory.

The actuality is that i enjoyed ME3's ending. It objectively made sense, and can be shown to have done so on every conceivable level. So deriding others for not being able to accept subjective opinions is not hypocritical at all.

Words mean things.

Why did shepard suddenly decide after facing impossible scenarios and always managing to beat them for years that he was going to bend over for some kid that all logic should say is an hallucination. (What with it looking like the kid on earth, the heavy blood loss, and the pseudo indoctrination TIM just pulled.)

Why did Joker suddenly run from an active war zone? The retreat order given was for ground forces, not the space fleet. We know this because the crucible is brough in after the ground retreat order is given and we can see the battle from the crucible.

How did my crew teleport to the normandy?

Just a few reasons why it doesn't make sense. Want us to believe you're not a troll? Answer those questions with words that make sense. 

I'm a big fan of Ian Fleming's 007 series. In the novels, James and M often mull over the idea that each man is born with a reserve of bravery and toughness. Up until that reserve is depleted the man can, depending on ability, do or withstand anything.

I agree with the idea, and it would seem that the writers of Mass Effect 3 do too. I recall a conversation in which Shepard has the ability to admit that he's unsure how much fight he has left in him.

He is critically wounded leading up to the events of the finale. We've never seen him in such bad physical shape (aside from when he died) and the game made the point of showing Shepard having the stuffing constantly knocked out of him on a more mental level.

I think that by the end of the trilogy, Shepard is a broken man. His well of toughness has ran dry, and he just wants desperately for the war to come to an end. That's why he's more... accommodating... of the Catalyst's views than he would usually be. This is reflected in the voice acting, i think.

Also, from a gameplay point, ME3 did use an awful lot of auto dialogue. The lack of ability to question could just be an example of BioWare forcing Shepard's hand for story reasons.

Ok sure. I mean my shep would never have done those things but fine. What about my other 2 questions.

Why did Joker suddenly run from an active war zone? The retreat order given was for ground forces, not the space fleet. We know this because the crucible is brough in after the ground retreat order is given and we can see the battle from the crucible.

How did my crew teleport to the normandy? 

[krogstor]

Ehh, you guys all have fun with this, I'm ME3'd out until after PAX. Gonna go play some tomb raider or something. Peace.

[uDoh]

I think this is all speculation until we hear something official from Bioware. I have not read anything that changes my opinion. For now, all I can do is:

HOLD THE LINE

[Esquin]

krogstor wrote...

Ehh, you guys all have fun with this, I'm ME3'd out until after PAX. Gonna go play some tomb raider or something. Peace.

Bioware! You drove a man from Mass Effect to Tomb Raider. Do you see what you've done! DO YOU SEE!

[Sesshaku]

blacqout wrote...

If you couldn't follow the narrative closely enough, or give the major themes due contemplation, then maybe you should just call it a day and leave.

The ending made sense. I get that you dislike it, but whining like a child is just rather sad. Good day.

Hahahahahaha that was hilarious...seriously, it was the most artistic joke i've ever read.


Wait, you were serious? Wow.....

[thegame30]

blacqout wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

A troll AND a hypocrite...

AWESOME!!!! /highfive!

If i was a troll, surely i'd make hypocritical statements as part of the act, as they're usually deemed to be quite inflammatory.

The actuality is that i enjoyed ME3's ending. It objectively made sense, and can be shown to have done so on every conceivable level. So deriding others for not being able to accept subjective opinions is not hypocritical at all.

Words mean things.

Opinions are like noses everyone has one...

The majority of the people here find that the endings made no sense. If you and others found sense on it, please share it with us. I still haven't seen one of you creating a new topic or a posted msg (with out personal attacks) explaining why the current endings made sense.

So be the first one...

Go ahead tell us

Why the Control, synthesis and destruction endings made sense?

Because the way I see it they don't. ME1 & ME2 are telling me something is really wrong with all 3 endings. Right now the only way i can see someone making sense of the current endings. Is if that person only play ME3 and didn't play the other 2 games.

[MikeRoz]

blacqout wrote...

krogstor wrote...

MikeRoz wrote...

 Does this forum have a rule against people evading bans?

Changing my original post isn't evading a ban, that's more along the lines of making multiple accounts, circumventing IP bans, what have you.

I think he was talking about me.

If it does, i haven't broken them. I served my two day ban.

But this is not the same account you used then. Why are you not using that one? Was it banned?

Also I think this post tells us everything we need to know.

[blacqout]

Esquin wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Esquin wrote...

blacqout wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

A troll AND a hypocrite...

AWESOME!!!! /highfive!

If i was a troll, surely i'd make hypocritical statements as part of the act, as they're usually deemed to be quite inflammatory.

The actuality is that i enjoyed ME3's ending. It objectively made sense, and can be shown to have done so on every conceivable level. So deriding others for not being able to accept subjective opinions is not hypocritical at all.

Words mean things.

Why did shepard suddenly decide after facing impossible scenarios and always managing to beat them for years that he was going to bend over for some kid that all logic should say is an hallucination. (What with it looking like the kid on earth, the heavy blood loss, and the pseudo indoctrination TIM just pulled.)

Why did Joker suddenly run from an active war zone? The retreat order given was for ground forces, not the space fleet. We know this because the crucible is brough in after the ground retreat order is given and we can see the battle from the crucible.

How did my crew teleport to the normandy?

Just a few reasons why it doesn't make sense. Want us to believe you're not a troll? Answer those questions with words that make sense. 

I'm a big fan of Ian Fleming's 007 series. In the novels, James and M often mull over the idea that each man is born with a reserve of bravery and toughness. Up until that reserve is depleted the man can, depending on ability, do or withstand anything.

I agree with the idea, and it would seem that the writers of Mass Effect 3 do too. I recall a conversation in which Shepard has the ability to admit that he's unsure how much fight he has left in him.

He is critically wounded leading up to the events of the finale. We've never seen him in such bad physical shape (aside from when he died) and the game made the point of showing Shepard having the stuffing constantly knocked out of him on a more mental level.

I think that by the end of the trilogy, Shepard is a broken man. His well of toughness has ran dry, and he just wants desperately for the war to come to an end. That's why he's more... accommodating... of the Catalyst's views than he would usually be. This is reflected in the voice acting, i think.

Also, from a gameplay point, ME3 did use an awful lot of auto dialogue. The lack of ability to question could just be an example of BioWare forcing Shepard's hand for story reasons.

Ok sure. I mean my shep would never have done those things but fine. What about my other 2 questions.

Why did Joker suddenly run from an active war zone? The retreat order given was for ground forces, not the space fleet. We know this because the crucible is brough in after the ground retreat order is given and we can see the battle from the crucible.

How did my crew teleport to the normandy? 

Your Shepard would have. Its not something you can control. You can't just go to a shop and buy more toughness. When it's up, it's up. And ME3 made a point of saying that it's up. It very much complied with a running theme of the game.

My crew did not teleport to the Normandy. I took Garrus and James Vega with me on the final mission, and Liara and Javik were seen with Joker during the final scene. I'm inclined to put that down to developer oversight, or a bug.  I'm guessing that if you take your love interest, he or she will automatically appear aboard the Normandy.

Any number of things in an active warzone could have forced Joker to retreat or break formation. We're not told what happened. but we played the game as Shepard... who had his own problems at the time. An ME1-style switch between the events in the Citadel tower and the battle above would have broken the scene in my opinion... but this is certainly something BioWare will address in the expanded ending.

[blacqout]

MikeRoz wrote...

blacqout wrote...

krogstor wrote...

MikeRoz wrote...

 Does this forum have a rule against people evading bans?

Changing my original post isn't evading a ban, that's more along the lines of making multiple accounts, circumventing IP bans, what have you.

I think he was talking about me.

If it does, i haven't broken them. I served my two day ban.

But this is not the same account you used then. Why are you not using that one? Was it banned?

Also I think this post tells us everything we need to know.

This is the first account i created and is linked to my EA account, which in turn is linked to my xbox live gamertag.

I decided i didn't like the name, so set up one in my real name. After i accidently redeemed some codes onto that account, which meant i couldn't access the material on my xbox, i decided to just go back to this one. If that is quite okay with you.

And that post is a quote, and it is sourced. Taken in context, you'll find that it's quite inoccent.

Modifié par blacqout, 03 avril 2012 - 12:30 .

[Esquin]

blacqout wrote...

Esquin wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Esquin wrote...

blacqout wrote...

D_Dude1210 wrote...

A troll AND a hypocrite...

AWESOME!!!! /highfive!

If i was a troll, surely i'd make hypocritical statements as part of the act, as they're usually deemed to be quite inflammatory.

The actuality is that i enjoyed ME3's ending. It objectively made sense, and can be shown to have done so on every conceivable level. So deriding others for not being able to accept subjective opinions is not hypocritical at all.

Words mean things.

Why did shepard suddenly decide after facing impossible scenarios and always managing to beat them for years that he was going to bend over for some kid that all logic should say is an hallucination. (What with it looking like the kid on earth, the heavy blood loss, and the pseudo indoctrination TIM just pulled.)

Why did Joker suddenly run from an active war zone? The retreat order given was for ground forces, not the space fleet. We know this because the crucible is brough in after the ground retreat order is given and we can see the battle from the crucible.

How did my crew teleport to the normandy?

Just a few reasons why it doesn't make sense. Want us to believe you're not a troll? Answer those questions with words that make sense. 

I'm a big fan of Ian Fleming's 007 series. In the novels, James and M often mull over the idea that each man is born with a reserve of bravery and toughness. Up until that reserve is depleted the man can, depending on ability, do or withstand anything.

I agree with the idea, and it would seem that the writers of Mass Effect 3 do too. I recall a conversation in which Shepard has the ability to admit that he's unsure how much fight he has left in him.

He is critically wounded leading up to the events of the finale. We've never seen him in such bad physical shape (aside from when he died) and the game made the point of showing Shepard having the stuffing constantly knocked out of him on a more mental level.

I think that by the end of the trilogy, Shepard is a broken man. His well of toughness has ran dry, and he just wants desperately for the war to come to an end. That's why he's more... accommodating... of the Catalyst's views than he would usually be. This is reflected in the voice acting, i think.

Also, from a gameplay point, ME3 did use an awful lot of auto dialogue. The lack of ability to question could just be an example of BioWare forcing Shepard's hand for story reasons.

Ok sure. I mean my shep would never have done those things but fine. What about my other 2 questions.

Why did Joker suddenly run from an active war zone? The retreat order given was for ground forces, not the space fleet. We know this because the crucible is brough in after the ground retreat order is given and we can see the battle from the crucible.

How did my crew teleport to the normandy? 

Your Shepard would have. Its not something you can control. You can't just go to a shop and buy more toughness. When it's up, it's up. And ME3 made a point of saying that it's up. It very much complied with a running theme of the game.

My crew did not teleport to the Normandy. I took Garrus and James Vega with me on the final mission, and Liara and Javik were seen with Joker during the final scene. I'm inclined to put that down to developer oversight, or a bug.  I'm guessing that if you take your love interest, he or she will automatically appear aboard the Normandy.

Any number of things in an active warzone could have forced Joker to retreat or break formation. We're not told what happened. but we played the game as Shepard... who had his own problems at the time. An ME1-style switch between the events in the Citadel tower and the battle above would have broken the scene in my opinion... but this is certainly something BioWare will address in the expanded ending.

I disagree but whatever. 

How about the deliberate choice to avoid providing any kind of closure? 

[Kyazain]

blacqout wrote...

What does that even mean? If you're trying to imply that the ending of Mass Effect 3 didn't strictly adhere to well-established and more traditional storytelling formulas, i'd agree.

That doesn't make it "bad" or nonsensical, though. It is okay to do things a little differently.

You make a good point though: i think this is why highly creative people, such as myself, are more fond of the ending than those that rigidly comply with orthodox techniques and formulas.

That's where you and I disagree. You need to have these rules to come up with a consistent storyline. If you deviate from traditional storytelling techniques, you'll end up having a potential sh*tstorm. I used to think that the rules bogged you down. Restricted you. I thought I couldn't be creative without rules. But as I got older, I realized they were necessary to create a good story that makes sense and doesn't confuse the viewer.

It's okay to break small rules once in a while, like using a note that is not in the key of a song or breaking the line of continuity in a movie (i.e. "A Clockwork Orange). But those breaks the artist makes are still consistent with their art. The ME3 ending is not.

[Jeb231]

Synthesis made complete sense.

Rewriting all organic species using a green beam to turn everybody into synthetic/organic hybrids is science fiction. Synthesis will prevent them from creating new synthetics that will turn against them once again...maybe.