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[blacqout]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Blacquot

I'm an English major....degree and all.....don't go acting like it was a cohesive story all the way through the trilogy....killing off characters with no explanation is LAZY WRITING and shows a lack of creativity by the Writer(Bioware went a step further and killed Everyone).....any Professor will tell you that....that is English 101 so stfu and stop acting like you know what you're talking about

Do you really think that having a degree makes you some sort of arbiter of quality story telling? Obviously not, which is why you then defer to a professor's judgement... which is lame, even as far as appeals to authority go.

I have several degrees myself - though i don't normally bring them up, as i'm not a braggart. One of which is a bachelor of music. While i have some ideas on how Tchaikovsky could have improved Eugin Onegin, i wouldn't presume to know his work better than he did.

Mac Walters has written something that a lot of people loved... for the most part. Your english degree does not overide his knowledge of his own story, and your approval is certainly a not prerequisite for a compelling narrative. It's unfortunate that you were unable to properly grasp the story, however.

Modifié par blacqout, 03 avril 2012 - 03:12 .

[ambroseaz]

It's really not hard to make sense of the ending. It's not so "high-brow" that it needs explaining. Bioware had an ending animation option completed and EA rushed completion for the sake of profit. In the last ten minutes of game play they introduced a completely new character to the story arc who cast rainbow space magic and turned their completed animation into a one-size-fits-all ending. Then developers were tasked with removing content that could be sold back to consumers for greater profit, and the software was rushed to release. Sure, it makes total sense, but that doesn't mean it's "art" and it doesn't mean it's "good." If you're happy with shoddy writing, or prefer your Mass Effect to be a Gears of War reskin, then be satisfied with what you've got. Just don't expect me to justify the monumental failure of Bioware to meet their own previously stated criteria under some "theory," and don't call me "whiney and entitled" because EA/Bioware wants to ****** down my neck and tell me it's raining.

[blacqout]

Wraith8957 wrote...

blacqout wrote...

If you couldn't follow the narrative closely enough, or give the major themes due contemplation, then maybe you should just call it a day and leave.

The ending made sense. I get that you dislike it, but whining like a child is just rather sad. Good day.

*Cough Cough* Pretentious *Cough Cough*

Seriously calling people whiners when they are reasonable upset about being mislead and wasting time and money on a bad product.  Yes were all whiners.  

*Waves the sarcasm sign*

It wasn't a bad product by any stretch of the imagination. Overstating the issue does you no credit.

[J717]

ITT: a grand total of one person vehemently defending the ending, while the "vocal minority" tries to talk some sense into him.

Even if there was some dev oversight or whatnot, it still doesn't change the fact that BioWare completely destroyed any sort of narrative cohesion/coherence with the ending. That's even if we discard certain major plotholes, and if they "clarify" the ending.

Sorry, but the ending is complete trash - you can polish a turd as much as you want, but it's still going to smell like and be a turd.

[The Night Mammoth]

blacqout wrote...

Mac Walters has written something that a lot of people loved... for the most part. Your english degree does not overide his knowledge of his own story, and your approval is certainly a not prerequisite for a compelling narrative. It's unfortunate that you were unable to properly grasp the story, however.

Evidently, Marc Walters didn't fully understand the story he was trying to conclude, whilst a lot of fans did. 

[blacqout]

The Night Mammoth wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Mac Walters has written something that a lot of people loved... for the most part. Your english degree does not overide his knowledge of his own story, and your approval is certainly a not prerequisite for a compelling narrative. It's unfortunate that you were unable to properly grasp the story, however.

Evidently, Marc Walters didn't fully understand the story he was trying to conclude, whilst a lot of fans did. 

No; like i explained earlier: many fans are now being hit with the realisation that they never really "got" Mass Effect all along. It's quite sad in a way.

[THEUKPSYCHO]

The ending was nonsensical, and obviously rushed. No where near enough thought went into it and no writer with a shred of intelligence would leave that many plot holes in the conclusion of story. The fact that the forums are in an uproar simply confirms it. The fact that a few people "get" it is irrelevant, it still doesn't change the fact that it's s**t and we did not get the endings BW told us we would get. What we got was the opposite.

[The Night Mammoth]

blacqout wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Mac Walters has written something that a lot of people loved... for the most part. Your english degree does not overide his knowledge of his own story, and your approval is certainly a not prerequisite for a compelling narrative. It's unfortunate that you were unable to properly grasp the story, however.

Evidently, Marc Walters didn't fully understand the story he was trying to conclude, whilst a lot of fans did. 

No; like i explained earlier: many fans are now being hit with the realisation that they never really "got" Mass Effect all along. It's quite sad in a way.

Yeah, like I said, that's mainly people who either didn't play the first two games or played them but didn't actually pay attention to the story, and liked the ending because of it.

Hopefully you'll come around and see the truth one day. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 03 avril 2012 - 03:40 .

[nikki191]

Prismvg wrote...

Right, way to go. A mexican newspaper is surely the best source of information right now.

i trust a newspaper ive never heard of in a language i dont speak more than official statements by bioware these days which says alot

[crimzontearz]

D.I.Y_Death wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...
my italian teacher (wait..for you guys would be english teacher...you know what I mean) told me "if you hand me a paper and have to explain that to me you have already failed it"

Very wise man, I'd love to have a chat with him.

Her, not him

but the point remains, it is true

[Asharad Hett]

blacqout wrote...

If you couldn't follow the narrative closely enough, or give the major themes due contemplation, then maybe you should just call it a day and leave.

The ending made sense. I get that you dislike it, but whining like a child is just rather sad. Good day.

Lol, sorry.  It didn't make sense that two ways to end the reaper threat were mounted in the Citadel waiting for someone to "shoot the tube" or "grab the handles".   It also doesn't make sense that when you "shoot the tube", it destroys the reapers and the mass relays.  It also doesn't make sense that the child has existed forever, yet nobody has ever met him.  Lastly it didn't make sense that the only ship destroyed by the space magic was the Normandy.

PS - it doesn't make sense for Shep to follow the advice of the antagonist.

Modifié par Asharad Hett, 03 avril 2012 - 03:44 .

[MinatheBrat]

blacqout wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Mac Walters has written something that a lot of people loved... for the most part. Your english degree does not overide his knowledge of his own story, and your approval is certainly a not prerequisite for a compelling narrative. It's unfortunate that you were unable to properly grasp the story, however.

Evidently, Marc Walters didn't fully understand the story he was trying to conclude, whilst a lot of fans did. 

No; like i explained earlier: many fans are now being hit with the realisation that they never really "got" Mass Effect all along. It's quite sad in a way.

That is a ridiculous statement.

[blacqout]

MinatheBrat wrote...

blacqout wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Mac Walters has written something that a lot of people loved... for the most part. Your english degree does not overide his knowledge of his own story, and your approval is certainly a not prerequisite for a compelling narrative. It's unfortunate that you were unable to properly grasp the story, however.

Evidently, Marc Walters didn't fully understand the story he was trying to conclude, whilst a lot of fans did. 

No; like i explained earlier: many fans are now being hit with the realisation that they never really "got" Mass Effect all along. It's quite sad in a way.

That is a ridiculous statement.

No. It is most apparent that the majority of the fanbase read only what they wanted to in the series. Interpreting major themes in bizarre ways or flat out ignoring them.

The ending made perfect sense, to those capable of giving it a little thought, and slotted in nicely with the overall feel of the trilogy.

Modifié par blacqout, 03 avril 2012 - 03:49 .

[Relwyn]

MinatheBrat wrote...

blacqout wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Mac Walters has written something that a lot of people loved... for the most part. Your english degree does not overide his knowledge of his own story, and your approval is certainly a not prerequisite for a compelling narrative. It's unfortunate that you were unable to properly grasp the story, however.

Evidently, Marc Walters didn't fully understand the story he was trying to conclude, whilst a lot of fans did. 

No; like i explained earlier: many fans are now being hit with the realisation that they never really "got" Mass Effect all along. It's quite sad in a way.

That is a ridiculous statement.

Why does that ring to me like comments I hear from religious people when they tell me that "I have to believe in Jesus/Mohammed/The Loch'Ness monster to understand it", saying that "it's quite sad in a way" is nothing but condescending. Furthermore I really do not understand why he's reacting like this (talking about blacqout now), is he voicing his opinion or is he just trying to get on peoples' nerves (if so,what's the point...really?)

As for blacqout, yes, having an education (for instance an english major) does give you some advantages when it comes to discussing literature, as one recieves an education one gains new insights that's hidden for many people. Just as I have a degree in biomedical sciences gains me an insight into research and medicine much more so than what a car mechanic would have. 

[The Night Mammoth]

blacqout wrote...

No. It is most apparent that the majority of the fanbase read only what they wanted to in the series. Interpreting major themes in bizarre ways or flat out ignoring them.

I could say exactly the same thing about you.

And have, multiple times. You don't understand the Mass Effect series if you think this fits.

The ending made perfect sense, to those capable of giving it a little thought, and slotted in nicely with the overall feel of the trilogy.

No, it didn't. You're skim reading the wikipedia synopsis if you think it fits witt the rest of the narritive. It fits with all the grace and subtlety of a horse leg shoved in a toaster. You don't put a horse's leg in a toaster, a toaster is for bread. 

Modifié par The Night Mammoth, 03 avril 2012 - 03:58 .

[Unit-Alpha]

blacqout wrote...

If you couldn't follow the narrative closely enough, or give the major themes due contemplation, then maybe you should just call it a day and leave.

The ending made sense. I get that you dislike it, but whining like a child is just rather sad. Good day.

Damn, you must have some serious drugs that can impair your critical thinking and reasoning abilities to that degree.

[Unit-Alpha]

blacqout wrote...

MinatheBrat wrote...

blacqout wrote...

The Night Mammoth wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Mac Walters has written something that a lot of people loved... for the most part. Your english degree does not overide his knowledge of his own story, and your approval is certainly a not prerequisite for a compelling narrative. It's unfortunate that you were unable to properly grasp the story, however.

Evidently, Marc Walters didn't fully understand the story he was trying to conclude, whilst a lot of fans did. 

No; like i explained earlier: many fans are now being hit with the realisation that they never really "got" Mass Effect all along. It's quite sad in a way.

That is a ridiculous statement.

No. It is most apparent that the majority of the fanbase read only what they wanted to in the series. Interpreting major themes in bizarre ways or flat out ignoring them.

The ending made perfect sense, to those capable of giving it a little thought, and slotted in nicely with the overall feel of the trilogy.

Haha, no it didn't; not at all. You need to go back and replay the first two games and give actual thought to the themes, because I can tell you this was not at all in line with the feel of the rest of the trilogy.

[blacqout]

Relwyn wrote...

As for blacqout, yes, having an education (for instance an english major) does give you some advantages when it comes to discussing literature, as one recieves an education one gains new insights that's hidden for many people. Just as I have a degree in biomedical sciences gains me an insight into research and medicine much more so than what a car mechanic would have. 

This is what we in the biz would describe as a "straw man", and is an all too common fallacy on these boards..

[Aurvant]

I am increasingly becoming convinced that if you're seriously typing out the phrase "the ending made sense" then you shouldn't ever pick up a piece of literature ever again.

[Unit-Alpha]

blacqout wrote...

Relwyn wrote...

As for blacqout, yes, having an education (for instance an english major) does give you some advantages when it comes to discussing literature, as one recieves an education one gains new insights that's hidden for many people. Just as I have a degree in biomedical sciences gains me an insight into research and medicine much more so than what a car mechanic would have. 

This is what we in the biz would describe as a "straw man", and is an all too common fallacy on these boards..

For the anti-enders only, of course. Right.

[Unit-Alpha]

Aurvant wrote...

I am increasingly becoming convinced that if you're seriously typing out the phrase "the ending made sense" then you shouldn't ever pick up a piece of literature ever again.

No, they definitely need to because it means that they've only read maybe 3 pieces of literature  in their lifetimes.

[Relwyn]

blacqout wrote...

Relwyn wrote...

As for blacqout, yes, having an education (for instance an english major) does give you some advantages when it comes to discussing literature, as one recieves an education one gains new insights that's hidden for many people. Just as I have a degree in biomedical sciences gains me an insight into research and medicine much more so than what a car mechanic would have. 

This is what we in the biz would describe as a "straw man", and is an all too common fallacy on these boards..

Strawman fallacy: when you attack a position that your opponent does not hold. And here I was only making an analogy, not attacking a position of yours. Please go read up on this before you start calling people out on logical fallacies, and you could use a dose of humility when replying to people. You won't gain many friends (wether it's forums or not) by being arrogant. 

You'll find that many more people will take you seriously and respect your opinion (wether they agree with it or not) if you ...well...act respectful towards them.

Modifié par Relwyn, 03 avril 2012 - 04:05 .

[blacqout]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Relwyn wrote...

As for blacqout, yes, having an education (for instance an english major) does give you some advantages when it comes to discussing literature, as one recieves an education one gains new insights that's hidden for many people. Just as I have a degree in biomedical sciences gains me an insight into research and medicine much more so than what a car mechanic would have. 

This is what we in the biz would describe as a "straw man", and is an all too common fallacy on these boards..

For the anti-enders only, of course. Right.

I'm not so petty as to automatically align myself with someone just because they share my opinion on something.

His retort was a straw man, but i am sure that childish approach to discussion is taken by many people on "my side" too.

[Relwyn]

blacqout wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Relwyn wrote...

As for blacqout, yes, having an education (for instance an english major) does give you some advantages when it comes to discussing literature, as one recieves an education one gains new insights that's hidden for many people. Just as I have a degree in biomedical sciences gains me an insight into research and medicine much more so than what a car mechanic would have. 

This is what we in the biz would describe as a "straw man", and is an all too common fallacy on these boards..

For the anti-enders only, of course. Right.

I'm not so petty as to automatically align myself with someone just because they share my opinion on something.

His retort was a straw man, but i am sure that childish approach to discussion is taken by many people on "my side" too.

No, it was not. I was making an analogy. Please read up on my reply again. 

[Unit-Alpha]

blacqout wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

blacqout wrote...

Relwyn wrote...

As for blacqout, yes, having an education (for instance an english major) does give you some advantages when it comes to discussing literature, as one recieves an education one gains new insights that's hidden for many people. Just as I have a degree in biomedical sciences gains me an insight into research and medicine much more so than what a car mechanic would have. 

This is what we in the biz would describe as a "straw man", and is an all too common fallacy on these boards..

For the anti-enders only, of course. Right.

I'm not so petty as to automatically align myself with someone just because they share my opinion on something.

His retort was a straw man, but i am sure that childish approach to discussion is taken by many people on "my side" too.

Sorry, people who defend the ending tend to be labeled pro-enders. That's just how it goes.

As long as you understand that this is very much a two way street.