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[Wise Men]

Super.Sid wrote...

Wise Men wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Wise Men wrote...
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Yep, it sure does.  That's why I maintain that sales are a better data point.  Everyone has an opinion. 

Well, why don't you compare the sales that they have to what they could have been and then say that they help prove success.

What they "could have been"?  What are you talking about?  Exactly how mutch is "what they could have been?"  LOL. 

Sorry, look...you can always create a number for "what they could have been" in an effort to "prove" that sales are dissapointing.  That's not how it is usually done.  LOL

The sales at outlets for games that have been far out earlier are more than what ME3 is selling for now. The quantity of refunds given just adds on to this point.

Where is your link to the actual sales numbers (in comparision to ...as you put it.."for games that have been far out earlier:".  Also, show me the the link to the total number of refunds given.  Otherwise, you are just voicing an opinion.

That is why I maintain...for the last time...the final official sales figures will be a more accurrate data point for how successful the game is.  Not, my opinion and not yours.  Not the number of returns. The company measures success by how many coppies of the game it sells.  Period.

[Super.Sid]

The bulk of the sales was due to the preorders.This was due to the hype. It slowly started dying since the launch.

[Wise Men]

L00p wrote...

Wise Men wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

Was it because that source was not reliable enough as IGN,Gamespot,etc ? Try to find reason.It is pointless arguing over these things. User reviews are far more creditable. Oh, and don't tell me they aren't just because they are bombed.

It seems that you continue to post your opinion as if it is fact...(e.g. "user reviews are far more credible..")

I can not communicate effectively with someone who can't see the difference between opinion and supplying evidence to support a claim. 

Let's move on. You win.

To be fair, your own argument wasn't very compelling either.

My original argument was that sales numbers will be a more accurate data point for the success of a game. How is that not compelling?

[Fisto The Sexbot]

The rest of the game is great... it really doesn't deserve a 'most disappointing game' award, especially since BW might take the time to 'fix' the ending by the time the awards come in.

[kbct]

Wise Men wrote...
My original argument was that sales numbers will be a more accurate data point for the success of a game. How is that not compelling?

When do we get to see the actual sales numbers? How many returns? What's the profit margin on each?

Profit is what really matters, not sales numbers.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Eain wrote...

Well I dunno. I just don't really see this happening. Imagine if IGN were to suddenly concede that ME3 was bad afterall?

It's not "bad," and that's beside the point of this topic. A game that is merely good when everyone expects it to be the best thing since Pong would qualify as "disappointing." And in that sense... yes, Mass Effect 3 is disappointing on quite a few counts. The ending is the big one; the lip-syncing also disappoints me, since neither of the other two games ever had trouble with it; the animation bugs in certain conversation scenes disappoint me, the fetch-quest things disappoint me, the sudden conspicuous absense of Emily Wong in the wake of this unremarkable Diana Allers character disappoints me, the use of a stock Google photoshop job for Tali's "true face" picture quite powerfully disappoints me.

Still an awesome, kickass game.

Modifié par Nathan Redgrave, 03 avril 2012 - 05:29 .

[Super.Sid]

kbct wrote...

Wise Men wrote...
My original argument was that sales numbers will be a more accurate data point for the success of a game. How is that not compelling?

When do we get to see the actual sales numbers? How many returns? What's the profit margin on each?

Profit is what really matters, not sales numbers.

Sales numbers are internal data for the company and they will not be revealed.

[kbct]

Super.Sid wrote...

kbct wrote...

When do we get to see the actual sales numbers? How many returns? What's the profit margin on each?

Profit is what really matters, not sales numbers.

Sales numbers are internal data for the company and they will not be revealed.

Agreed. EA might mention something in their quarterly report if they want to highlight it, but they don't have to give us concrete numbers.

The point is Wise Men wants us to wait for something that won't be revealed.

Modifié par kbct, 03 avril 2012 - 05:35 .

[Wise Men]

L00p wrote...

Wise Men wrote...

L00p wrote...

Wise Men wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

Was it because that source was not reliable enough as IGN,Gamespot,etc ? Try to find reason.It is pointless arguing over these things. User reviews are far more creditable. Oh, and don't tell me they aren't just because they are bombed.

It seems that you continue to post your opinion as if it is fact...(e.g. "user reviews are far more credible..")

I can not communicate effectively with someone who can't see the difference between opinion and supplying evidence to support a claim. 

Let's move on. You win.

To be fair, your own argument wasn't very compelling either.

My original argument was that sales numbers will be a more accurate data point for the success of a game. How is that not compelling?

So start showing us the numbers then.

EDIT: Nevermind, three others have addressed it before me.

I have no numbers to share.  My point is that we won't know until we see the official numbers.  I make no claim about what those numbers are.  My point is that the sales numbers will more accurately reflect the success. 

Modifié par Wise Men, 03 avril 2012 - 06:22 .

[Calebf92491]

Yes

[Wise Men]

kbct wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

kbct wrote...

When do we get to see the actual sales numbers? How many returns? What's the profit margin on each?

Profit is what really matters, not sales numbers.

Sales numbers are internal data for the company and they will not be revealed.

Agreed. EA might mention something in their quarterly report if they want to highlight it, but they don't have to give us concrete numbers.

The point is Wise Men wants us to wait for something that won't be revealed.

Even the quarterly report would suffice.  It would provide a pretty good picture of how well the game performed.   I don't want you to wait for something that won't be revealed.  You are welcome to form an opinion about how successful a game is or is not.  However, you are probably just stabbing in the dark if you don't look at actual data.

[kbct]

Wise Men wrote...
Even the quarterly report would suffice.  It would provide a pretty good picture of how well the game performed.   I don't want you to wait for something that won't be revealed.  You are welcome to form an opinion about how successful a game is or is not.  However, you are probably just stabbing in the dark if you don't look at actual data.

ME3 will be lumped into total sales. They're not gonna break out 1 series out of 20 series - unless they want to highlight it. Last quarter, EA had over 1 billion in sales. Unfortunately, EA has lost money for the last 6 out of 8 quarters.

EA stock is down more than 75% from its high.

[HighFlyingDwarf]

Yes.

[Wise Men]

slyguy200 wrote...

Wise Men wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Wise Men wrote...
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Yep, it sure does.  That's why I maintain that sales are a better data point.  Everyone has an opinion. 

Well, why don't you compare the sales that they have to what they could have been and then say that they help prove success.

What they "could have been"?  What are you talking about?  Exactly how mutch is "what they could have been?"  LOL. 

Sorry, look...you can always create a number for "what they could have been" in an effort to "prove" that sales are dissapointing.  That's not how it is usually done.  LOL

Significantly more. The sales could have neen much better, they only look good because you have no other figures to really compare it to.

...I can not fully say what they could have been so the sales thing has no solid opposition...

That is correct.

[Wise Men]

kbct wrote...

Wise Men wrote...
Even the quarterly report would suffice.  It would provide a pretty good picture of how well the game performed.   I don't want you to wait for something that won't be revealed.  You are welcome to form an opinion about how successful a game is or is not.  However, you are probably just stabbing in the dark if you don't look at actual data.

ME3 will be lumped into total sales. They're not gonna break out 1 series out of 20 series - unless they want to highlight it. Last quarter, EA had over 1 billion in sales. Unfortunately, EA has lost money for the last 6 out of 8 quarters.

EA stock is down more than 75% from its high.

Sure they will break it out.  Each product has it's own line in the report.  We could also look at the numbers that are reported every month by outlets like VGchartz or NPG group.

When we collect the data, then we can conclude how the game has sold over a period of time (not before then). 

[PillarBiter]

@OP: No. ME3 is anythign but dissapointing. Sure, the ending sucked, but other then that, the game was sheer brilliance. Give the game it's dues. It has shortcoming, but many many good sides as well.

[Viyu]

Wise Men wrote...

L00p wrote...

Wise Men wrote...

L00p wrote...

Wise Men wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

Was it because that source was not reliable enough as IGN,Gamespot,etc ? Try to find reason.It is pointless arguing over these things. User reviews are far more creditable. Oh, and don't tell me they aren't just because they are bombed.

It seems that you continue to post your opinion as if it is fact...(e.g. "user reviews are far more credible..")

I can not communicate effectively with someone who can't see the difference between opinion and supplying evidence to support a claim. 

Let's move on. You win.

To be fair, your own argument wasn't very compelling either.

My original argument was that sales numbers will be a more accurate data point for the success of a game. How is that not compelling?

So start showing us the numbers then.

EDIT: Nevermind, three others have addressed it before me.

I have no numbers to share.  My point is that we won't know until we see the official numbers.  I make no claim about what those numbers are.  My point is that the sales numbers will more accurately reflect the success. 

I have a question. Won't those numbers merely reflect the hype of ME3, rather than the disappointment? Just because it sells well doesn't mean that it's a success. People could still be disappointed despite the hype they had when they bought it for the first time.

Modifié par Viyu, 03 avril 2012 - 08:24 .

[Wise Men]

Viyu wrote...

Wise Men wrote...

L00p wrote...

Wise Men wrote...

L00p wrote...

Wise Men wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

Was it because that source was not reliable enough as IGN,Gamespot,etc ? Try to find reason.It is pointless arguing over these things. User reviews are far more creditable. Oh, and don't tell me they aren't just because they are bombed.

It seems that you continue to post your opinion as if it is fact...(e.g. "user reviews are far more credible..")

I can not communicate effectively with someone who can't see the difference between opinion and supplying evidence to support a claim. 

Let's move on. You win.

To be fair, your own argument wasn't very compelling either.

My original argument was that sales numbers will be a more accurate data point for the success of a game. How is that not compelling?

So start showing us the numbers then.

EDIT: Nevermind, three others have addressed it before me.

I have no numbers to share.  My point is that we won't know until we see the official numbers.  I make no claim about what those numbers are.  My point is that the sales numbers will more accurately reflect the success. 

I have a question. Won't those numbers merely reflect the hype of ME3, rather than the disappointment?

Excellent question.  It is possible that the initial sales figures reflect hype.  But I think the sales over time will reflect success or failure.  I also think that DLC sales will reflect success or failure. 

[Vormaerin]

The game is awesome. The ending was dubious, but that's true of many games. While most people aren't thrilled with the ending, the number of people whose lives are blighted forever by it pretty small. Even if they are loud and working hard to make sure no one tries to make this type of game ever again.

[Viyu]

It depends. If the DLC is about the endings, people will buy it hoping it makes more sense out of the endings, but they might be jaded and disappointed about the DLC. Sales over time might, but for it to be nominated this year? A little iffy to me. The best way to see how successful a game is IMO is to see how well the next installment sells, that shows how many people liked the previous one enough to give the next installment a chance. But we may not see something like that for ME3.

Frankly I'm not sure if it will be nominated. People in the IGN camp like Jessica Chobot dismiss the fans without even looking at the ending to see why they're upset.

Modifié par Viyu, 03 avril 2012 - 08:33 .

[kbct]

Wise Men wrote...

kbct wrote...
ME3 will be lumped into total sales. They're not gonna break out 1 series out of 20 series - unless they want to highlight it. Last quarter, EA had over 1 billion in sales. Unfortunately, EA has lost money for the last 6 out of 8 quarters.

EA stock is down more than 75% from its high.

Sure they will break it out.  Each product has it's own line in the report.  We could also look at the numbers that are reported every month by outlets like VGchartz or NPG group.

When we collect the data, then we can conclude how the game has sold over a period of time (not before then). 

Do you have a link for last quarter's breakdown by series? I'd like to see actual sales, not VGChartz estimates.
 
Also, the sales figures is just one variable. EA could sell a ton of units for $1 each, but it woudn't help the bottom line. Besides sales, we also need to know how much it cost to make ME3 and the profit from each unit - accounting for returns, discounted prices, etc.

After all, investors care about profit first.

[Viyu]

They can get that kind of information from online distributors too?