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[lordnyx1]

The Angry One wrote...

Tleining wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...


If those are used for sleeping, then what are these used for:


Protip: The answer isn't sexual intercourse.

On the Normandy SR-1 the Pods were Sleeping Pods. On the Normandy SR-2... i don't think we ever got a Codex-Entry for it. I just assumed that some People wanted to Sleep in Pods because other Crewmembers were snoring

They probably just worked from the SR-1 plans and put them in.
In retrospect we know Mass Effect engineers are good at following schematics and implementing everything in them without knowing or caring what the hell they actually do (re: the Crucible).

Well Cerebus did add civilian comforts like leather seats, so maybe beds are better to sleep in than pods?

SmokePants wrote...

SentientSurfer wrote...

You
mean the beam rocketing away from an exploding Citadel straight at the
only way home for many of the fleets isn't enough impetus to at least
exercise a bit of caution?

They don't know what will happen, but I think they would have cause to believe that SOMETHING will happen. Don't you?

Caution doesn't normally = "everyone run!" 

I'd
assume the beam is going to take out reapers - not the relays. After
winning the battle, I'd be hesitatnt to order an all out retreat. 

Retreat
from what? The battle is over. And you'll have between 4 and 7 hours to
rethink your position on which side of the relay you want to be on when
that beam hits.

So where did this thought that the citadel's beam only travel at light speed come from? because if it did, couldn't the reapers just out run it making the whole thing useless? I assumed the beam was ftl because the citadel was a relay itself...

Modifié par lordnyx1, 03 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[Orthodox Infidel]

Lozark wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

If those are used for sleeping, then what are these used for:

Protip: The answer isn't sexual intercourse.

I believe they are called sleep pods.  I need to reread the ME1 codex to doublecheck if they do work on cryo, but I don't have access to that right now.

Also, running the cryo systems will still take fuel.  They're not free.

True. My answer to that was that we have fusion power already established as being commonplace in this universe, and that doesn't really require starship fuel.

[Tleining]

IsaacShep wrote...

Tleining wrote...

And most of the Alliance QEC Network was on Arcturus Station and is now lost.

But the Earth/Anderson->Normandy and Hackett->Normandy communications seem to work perfectly fine. Not to mention, Hackett was communication with Shep from the base they were building the Crucible. The galaxy's brightest minds are gathered there.

So? Those brightest minds were busy building the Crucible. After that they were either in a secure location or on a Ship attacking Earth. The Reapers were attacking all known Homeworlds, so the brightest Minds wouldn't have been able to place a QEC-Device there. There was no QEC Network. (in established Lore)

There was a QEC Device on Normandy connected to another one on Earth. There was a second one on the Normandy connected to Hacketts Vessel. Hacketts Vessel had another QEC that was linked to another one on Earth.
All the QEC Devices Cerberus had were connected to TIM on the Station, the Station that was destroyed.

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

True. My answer to that was that we have fusion power already established as being commonplace in this universe, and that doesn't really require starship fuel.

Source? Because afaik Fusion (in ME) uses Helium-3, which IS Starship Fuel. The Normandy has Emergency H3-Fuel-Cells, guess what's in there.

Modifié par Tleining, 03 avril 2012 - 06:38 .

[ZLurps]

IsaacShep wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

But having instant-communication still exist is ENERMOUS advantage compred to being completly cut-off. This doesn't even have to be explained. I enjoy alot of your posts, but at the same time it's obvious you just want to argue that "it's all doomed!" because you're mad at the endings in general.

It's speculation that QEC is prevalent, and information exchange is nice, but what's required to rebuild is a resource exchange.

You argued that Quarians took every single one of the 17 million of their people to Earth, now you argue "ohh having instant-communication system still alive doesn't do anything".

The Quarians are based on precident. The flotilla does not seperate. Ever.
They took civilians to war before, now you claim they'll leave them on Rannoch to be eaten by random Reapers because...?

]The Council uses QEC, the Salarian Dalatrass uses it, Cerberus had the technology. Seriosuly, it is obvious that at the governemnt/military level this technology is already prevalent.

You're talking about the richest powers in the galaxy.
The Council is dead, Cerberus is dead. I don't see any proof that the Salarians have it, but let's assume they do as they're rich and hi-tech.
Okay, so. Earth and Sur'Kesh can communicate. It's something, but it just isn't enough.

Like I said. You will argue everything to make it look as "doom and gloom" as possible, since then you can hate more "Bioware ruined the universe completly and utterly".

I don't see how this serves anything and Angry One's scenarios are not worst case scenarios anyway.

[ZLurps]

@OP.

Thank you very much for all your work, great to see someone put some work and effort to this.

Do you think it would be possible to check elevation variations between systems and include them?

Modifié par ZLurps, 03 avril 2012 - 06:55 .

[SmokePants]

lordnyx1 wrote...

So where did this thought that the citadel's beam only travel at light speed come from? because if it did, couldn't the reapers just out run it making the whole thing useless? I assumed the beam was ftl because the citadel was a relay itself...

I'm supposeing that it is traveling at c. There's no real "proof" one way or the other. I could cite the fact that the beam is visible as a reason it isn't FTL, but I don't think the visual designers care about details like that.

I considered the fact that the Citadel is a relay, but like all Relays, it only connects to one corresponding relay (the one in dark space). And the way the beam was generated didn't look consistent with a relay activation.

The beam is what I'm supposing is travelling at c. The wave that hits the Reapers is clearly shown to be expanding locally at a small fraction of c. If they wanted to outrun it, they could. Clearly, they don't care about it. Either they're ignorant or they aren't concerned with preserving their current function. They are pretty "alien and unkowable" after all.

[Poison_Berrie]

SmokePants wrote...
You mean the beam rocketing away from an exploding Citadel straight at the only way home for many of the fleets isn't enough impetus to at least exercise a bit of caution?

They don't know what will happen, but I think they would have cause to believe that SOMETHING will happen. Don't you?

How would they detect a beam that travels at least at lightspeed (if not faster)? Wouldn't they actually be hit/passed by the beam before detecting it?

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

True. My answer to that was that we have fusion power already established as being commonplace in this universe, and that doesn't really require starship fuel.

Thus Helium 3 is going to be used to power everything on your ship. You're going to need a lot of it.
Also are we now considering Eezo as something doesn't get used up? There is no elimination or decay when using it to FTL, create barriers and to accelerate slugs of metal?

[Avarenda]

I think Bioware gave us the end they did because they WANT to make a ME4. Thats why they keep making comments about 'saving your games' they didnt want to have to deal with the variation of 16 different endings to import into the new game, so they gave us 3 very similar endings they can work with.

What is kinda messed up though is that even if what OP says is true, it will be a boring scifi game because it would take YEARS for any new protagonist to get anywhere. They'd likely be confined to a single world or system.

I'm also upset because they promised a conclusion, and if they gave us that end to fit easily into ME4, than they basically screwing us over because of corporate greed.

[SmokePants]

Poison_Berrie wrote...

SmokePants wrote...
You mean the beam rocketing away from an exploding Citadel straight at the only way home for many of the fleets isn't enough impetus to at least exercise a bit of caution?

They don't know what will happen, but I think they would have cause to believe that SOMETHING will happen. Don't you?

How would they detect a beam that travels at least at lightspeed (if not faster)? Wouldn't they actually be hit/passed by the beam before detecting it?

Ships have both windows and FTL drives. They can see the beam and catch up with it/outrun it.

[a.m.p]

ZLurps wrote...

@OP.

Thank you very much for all your work, great to see someone put some work and effort to this.

Do you think it would be possible to check elevation variations between systems and include them?

I think the in-game galaxy map is a plane anyway. The galactic disc where most systems are is about 1000 ly thick, so if such travel was attempted, the elevation would affect time estimates significantly less than the huge amount of technical issues that were brought up in the thread.

[a.m.p]

Avarenda wrote...

I think Bioware gave us the end they did because they WANT to make a ME4. Thats why they keep making comments about 'saving your games' they didnt want to have to deal with the variation of 16 different endings to import into the new game, so they gave us 3 very similar endings they can work with.

The funny thing is, that in the long run there are actually two wildly different endings. The one where everyone and everything is half-robot and the one where they aren't. Unless Bioware decides that the only difference between these scenarios is skin, eye and foliage textures, I don't see how a sequel is possible.

[ZLurps]

a.m.p wrote...

ZLurps wrote...

@OP.

Thank you very much for all your work, great to see someone put some work and effort to this.

Do you think it would be possible to check elevation variations between systems and include them?

I think the in-game galaxy map is a plane anyway. The galactic disc where most systems are is about 1000 ly thick, so if such travel was attempted, the elevation would affect time estimates significantly less than the huge amount of technical issues that were brought up in the thread.

Fair enough. Even in my head canon there are no ships left, they are destroyed or damaged, this has been good read.

[Zolt51]

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

True. My answer to that was that we have fusion power already established as being commonplace in this universe, and that doesn't really require starship fuel.

Sorry buddy. I've been with you for most of this thready, but Helium-3 IS starship / fusion fuel. You need some. But the mass relays don't seem to need any which is weird.

In short, we don't really have a way to guesstimate how much He-3 would be needed for such a journey or whether they'd really need to refuel all that much. You could probably save a lot by putting everyone in cryo and shutting down life support.

[The Angry One]

IsaacShep wrote...

Like I said. You will argue everything to make it look as "doom and gloom" as possible, since then you can hate more "Bioware ruined the universe completly and utterly".

I extrapolate from given facts. It was Mac Walters' intention to destroy the universe anyway (re: galactic dark age).
All the "better" scenarios I've seen involve a lot of assumptions and leaps in logic.

Modifié par The Angry One, 03 avril 2012 - 07:26 .

[Zolt51]

The Angry One wrote...

I extrapolate from given facts. It was Mac Walters' intention to destroy the universe anyway (re: galactic dark age).
All the "better" scenarios I've seen involve a lot of assumptions and leaps in logic.

So do your scenarios. Even bigger assumptions in fact. As for Mac Walters, do you have quotes from him to support your point or are you just trolling?

Modifié par Zolt51, 03 avril 2012 - 07:30 .

[SmokePants]

a.m.p wrote...

The funny thing is, that in the long run there are actually two wildly different endings. The one where everyone and everything is half-robot and the one where they aren't. Unless Bioware decides that the only difference between these scenarios is skin, eye and foliage textures, I don't see how a sequel is possible.

Who even knows what the Synthesis ending even means, though. It copuld be that everything is changed on a DNA level-- like the Geth would be the Geth, they'd just be built upon a different framework. Superficially, they'd be the same.

Reminds me of the BSG finale where it's revealed we're all part Cylon.

Like I said, who even knows what it's supposed to mean. The ME universe pretty much allows for any possibilility.

Even if the fleets are stranded, I'm sure they made it home somehow. I mean, the Crucible came out of nowhere... why not some other problem solving machine?

[Orthodox Infidel]

Zolt51 wrote...

Orthodox Infidel wrote...

True. My answer to that was that we have fusion power already established as being commonplace in this universe, and that doesn't really require starship fuel.

Sorry buddy. I've been with you for most of this thready, but Helium-3 IS starship / fusion fuel. You need some. But the mass relays don't seem to need any which is weird.

In short, we don't really have a way to guesstimate how much He-3 would be needed for such a journey or whether they'd really need to refuel all that much. You could probably save a lot by putting everyone in cryo and shutting down life support.

You probably need some, yes. But the amount you need to keep the lights on or the cryo going is probably insignificant to the amount needed to keep the torch lit.

[Tleining]

SmokePants wrote...

Poison_Berrie wrote...

How would they detect a beam that travels at least at lightspeed (if not faster)? Wouldn't they actually be hit/passed by the beam before detecting it?

Ships have both windows and FTL drives. They can see the beam and catch up with it/outrun it.

Lightspeed is x
Beamspeed is x

Person A on Ship sees Beam only once it's at/past them (we see the light, we can't see the beam before the light of it arrives at our eyes). Person A tells Pilot to throw in the FTL. Pilot knows where beam is going and what it is going to do. Pilot activates FTL, arrives at Relay, activates Relay, goes through Relay before Beam hits it...

That is some luck

...Ship gets hit by beam and crashes on unknown world

[Praetor Knight]

Pretty cool OP.

I just wanted to bring up something from the Codex related to the engines and the FTL Drive, since it was brought up earlier in the thread.

Starships still require conventional thrusters (chemical rockets, commercial fusion torch, economy ion engine, or military antiproton drive) in addition to the FTL drive core. With only a core, a ship has no motive power.

Here's a link to the full entry: masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Codex/Ships_and_Vehicles#FTL_Drive

[Orthodox Infidel]

Zolt51 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I extrapolate from given facts. It was Mac Walters' intention to destroy the universe anyway (re: galactic dark age).
All the "better" scenarios I've seen involve a lot of assumptions and leaps in logic.

So do your scenarios. Even bigger assumptions in fact. As for Mac Walters, do you have quotes from him to support your point or are you just trolling?

The words "galactic dark age" appear on a plot flowchart in the Final Hours app, the picture has been put up on the boards before but I'm not sure it's allowed to be here due to copyright. It technically claims that the Prothean VI would have told us that using the Crucible will result in a "galactic dark age." 

The Angry One may be angry, but she is not a troll.

[lordnyx1]

Zolt51 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I extrapolate from given facts. It was Mac Walters' intention to destroy the universe anyway (re: galactic dark age).
All the "better" scenarios I've seen involve a lot of assumptions and leaps in logic.

So do your scenarios. Even bigger assumptions in fact. As for Mac Walters, do you have quotes from him to support your point or are you just trolling?

The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 has a screengrab of a flow chart that shows the
Prothean VI stating that the Crucible will cause a "galatic dark age".

[Zolt51]

SmokePants wrote...

Ships have both windows and FTL drives. They can see the beam and catch up with it/outrun it.

That is possible IF and only IF:

- The beam is not light but a plasma or something similar that travels at a speed much lower than C in its medium.
- Both the Normandy and the beam are within in relay's mass effect "corridor", where mass is made lower and C higher locally. That's why they do appear to travel FTL "from the outside"

[Sc2mashimaro]

The map seems wrong. There are Terminus systems in the Attican Traverse.....

[Zolt51]

lordnyx1 wrote...

The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 has a screengrab of a flow chart that shows the
Prothean VI stating that the Crucible will cause a "galatic dark age".

OK, exactly what I was looking for.

"Dark age" doesn't have to mean gloom & doom though. It might be decades, or it might be millenia before something similar in effect to the mass relays is built again, but that doesn't mean everybody has to die, stranded people can't ever get home and such.

Modifié par Zolt51, 03 avril 2012 - 07:41 .

[ZLurps]

Zolt51 wrote...

lordnyx1 wrote...

The Final Hours of Mass Effect 3 has a screengrab of a flow chart that shows the
Prothean VI stating that the Crucible will cause a "galatic dark age".

OK, exactly what I was looking for.

"Dark age" doesn't have to mean gloom & doom though. It might be decades, or it might be millenia before something similar in effect to the mass relays is built again, but that doesn't mean everybody has to die, stranded people can't ever get home and such.

IMO what Angry One has posted are pretty realistic scenarios. They are far from worst case scenarios, not taking leaking into account, huge pieces of mass relays flying of and getting caught in gravity wells of planets. Eezo poisoning and that you can't tell for sure that galactic fleet survived from the blast at the first place.

There is a saying about the heat and the kitchen you know.

Modifié par ZLurps, 03 avril 2012 - 07:47 .