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[InsaneAzrael]

You're serious? They aren't allowed to add throwbacks to canon media because some people may not have read it? That's completely retarded.

Kahlee Sanders is a main character in the books and that didn't stop them from adding her. Kai Leng was in them too. No reason they couldn't throw a growl in.

I think you guys need to chill out and take a second.
The files in question are from the start of the game. Where the child is in the vent. In the cinematic. The building in which the child is hiding has just been hit by a reaper and the structure has been partly destroyed. This would also imply that the ventilation system could be severed and exposed to the outside. The ventilation system could reasonably be echoing a growl from outside.

Anderson interrupts Shepard when he hears the growl also and notes they need to get moving. So it is not cut and dry. There are somethings people just poorly think through. You know, like the ending itself.

[Hingjon]

tobito113 wrote...

Hingjon wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Hingjon wrote...

but that does not change the fact for the jungle planet dream_foilage file names

They reused the same plants in the entire game. What more is there to say?

Well if you can show me where those plants are stored else where, link a pic then.

I just did, they were used in the samara mission and are all over london before shep gets hit by the beam

Hmmmmm I think we should wait for PAX then, still it's strange they don't rename them.. perhaps time saving ehhh...

[Silpheed58]

 Or, like Capcom and from Ashes, it could be partial DLC on Disk, Bioware does have future DLC plans.

[Kanon777]

TUHD wrote...

@tobito113 :Waste of space then... if you need to triple or quadriple the same file over and over, why not just like DiegoProgMetal says, create an foliage_textures dir as to link to there? Easier and takes less room in the end (certainly on PS3/Xbox discs where every kb counts)

Probably because the dream plants were made long before the final scene. Also im looking at the planet files and this is what i found:

Loading package: BioA_End003_Planet.pcc Ver: 684/194 Engine: 6383 Names: 2032 Exports: 4380 Imports: 320 Game: 8004Export "Beach_Leaf_Diff" was found in package BioA_End003_Planet

The folder has new plants models that were probably made only for the normandy stranded scene. They reused the old ones AND made new ones for that scene. And the new ones do NOT have the word dream in them...

Modifié par tobito113, 03 avril 2012 - 07:43 .

[shepskisaac]

Hingjon wrote...

Hmmmmm I think we should wait for PAX then, still it's strange they don't rename them.. perhaps time saving ehhh...

It's not strange at all

[Kanon777]

There is no need to rename them, it would just add confusion on what file youre looking for.

[killnoob]

oh well, hope shattered again...lol

[Kanon777]

killnoob wrote...

oh well, hope shattered again...lol

Sorry for that lol

[stysiaq]

yep, sadly nothing truly interesting was discovered about the files.

[-Area51-Silent]

Also, there is probably a lot of garbage in there. Its been quite a while, but if stuff gets scrapped, it just gets coded out, never actually leaves the files (its time consuming to find it all). I've been finding stuff thats been scrapped in games for years and putting it back in just for kicks (well older games). Did it was Starcraft and few units that must have never made the final cut, but got so close! (like the pheonix, which got replaced by the wraith). It would be intereting if they burried another ending in there, but I sort of doubt that is the case...but ya never know! they probably also wouldn't name it somthing obvious.

[Phobius9]

tobito113 wrote...

An image like this in the end files is very interesting, maybe cut content. This could be a "many years later" picture of earth to show that the galaxy managed to recover from the reaper war.

That might be the background to one of the shots you see of your crewmates when you die at the end.

[TUHD]

-Area51-Silent wrote...

Also, there is probably a lot of garbage in there. Its been quite a while, but if stuff gets scrapped, it just gets coded out, never actually leaves the files (its time consuming to find it all). I've been finding stuff thats been scrapped in games for years and putting it back in just for kicks (well older games). Did it was Starcraft and few units that must have never made the final cut, but got so close! (like the pheonix, which got replaced by the wraith). It would be intereting if they burried another ending in there, but I sort of doubt that is the case...but ya never know! they probably also wouldn't name it somthing obvious.

Unless there is an pointer for it in the textures, it isn't anywhere I can't find anything in the .bik files (movies), and so far the music (.afc/.pcc) hasn't rendered anything strange either

[noobcannon]

FatalX7.0 wrote...

It's Vent Boy's summer home.

i literally lol'd at this.

[mr.surv]

It's Vancouver ....

but why?

[TUHD]

mr.surv wrote...



It's Vancouver ....

but why?

... Weird. We don't get anywhere near Vancouver in the end do we?

Modifié par TUHD, 03 avril 2012 - 08:09 .

[Animositisomina]

TUHD wrote...

mr.surv wrote...



It's Vancouver ....

but why?

... Weird. We don't get anywhere near Vancouver in the end do we?

Vancouver is in Canada, so no. We don't.

[Sepharih]

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

You're right, I never worked in the game industry, but duplicated meshes and textures? This seems like waste of disc memory to me. I'm not saying you're wrong, actually I would really enjoy to know more about those things, because while I'm indeed a programmer, as you said and I admit I never worked with big AAA games like ME. Still, duplicated assets sort of destroys the concept of "reusing" assets... I mean, it would be like instead of creating a "for" or "while" loop, someone just made a big ammount of "if" statements until the condition is met. Wouldn't be easier to just put the textures in a small package named "foliage_textures" (or something like that) and just load it when it's needed. At least that is what I'd do.  
If some Bioware dev is taking a look at this thread, please, gimme some light. 

I'm a technical artist, not a coder, so I don't fully understand how it's all scripted out, but I can tell you that this is how I've worked before.
The thing is, it may seem like a waste of disc space to put in a ton of redundant texture information on the disc....but these days with dual layer DVD's and even blu-ray's storage space isn't actually a serious concern for most titles.  The bigger issue is finding a way to make things load and run fast and effeciently and minimize load times and texture pop.
Remember, for some consoles it's all streaming off the disc...so when the console is trying to load multiple packages that it only needs 1 or 2 files from you're making things pretty ineffecient.

Conversely, If you include all associated textures and meshes related to a scene/environment into one package, that's all it needs to read and load outside of weapon and/or character files.
It might cost you another 30 megabytes or so....but normally you've got room to spare.

Modifié par Sepharih, 03 avril 2012 - 08:17 .

[mr.surv]

Didn't we start from Vancouver?

[Animositisomina]

mr.surv wrote...

Didn't we start from Vancouver?

Yeah, the game starts there. But we end up in London, which is waaaayyy overseas.

[Asharad Hett]

mr.surv wrote...

Didn't we start from Vancouver?

Yes.

[Silasqtx]

http://i.minus.com/ibdBWNIifqhU9K.jpg

"Focus on the ending"

If so, why rename foliage with "Dream"? SOME of the foliage do NOT appear in the dream sequences, but in London or Ardat-Yakshi monastery. Why the "dream" name then?

That's because they made the ending before that, and reused the mesh/texture elsewhere, during the polishing phase.

But again, why the "dream" label? We all know why.

Don't give up, the haters won't prevail.

[TUHD]

@Silasqtx: wth did you get that one from? Final Hours of ME3 or what?

[Kanon777]

Silasqtx wrote...

http://i.minus.com/ibdBWNIifqhU9K.jpg

"Focus on the ending"

If so, why rename foliage with "Dream"? SOME of the foliage do NOT appear in the dream sequences, but in London or Ardat-Yakshi monastery. Why the "dream" name then?

That's because they made the ending before that, and reused the mesh/texture elsewhere, during the polishing phase.

But again, why the "dream" label? We all know why.

Don't give up, the haters won't prevail.

Because the dream sequences were made first. And then they reused some of the assets...

[Oakshire]

Animositisomina wrote...

TUHD wrote...

mr.surv wrote...



It's Vancouver ....

but why?

... Weird. We don't get anywhere near Vancouver in the end do we?

Vancouver is in Canada, so no. We don't.

This image is the building right before the Vent kid scene (In Vancouver).  To the left is the part that is shot by a reaper and explodes.

Modifié par Oakshire, 03 avril 2012 - 08:23 .

[mr.surv]

Yeah but why the Vancouver cubemap ( cubemaps are made for reflects ) is in the end.

Modifié par mr.surv, 03 avril 2012 - 08:30 .