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[What a Succulent Ass]

Ehh. I just pretend Mass Effect ended with ME1. The overarching plot starts to rupture by the second game.

[CHALET]

I go to pick up my controller and I'm like...

"...Meh".

[Quionic]

I created multiple characters to play ME3 with, that was before I catually played the game....so bad, it's on my shelf of no return. 

[cbutz]

On top of that, once you stop criticizing the ending...you start to notice the other flaws. It is like pulling the curtain back in the Wizard of Oz.

[Quionic]

cbutz wrote...

On top of that, once you stop criticizing the ending...you start to notice the other flaws. It is like pulling the curtain back in the Wizard of Oz.

Yeah, like the extreme lack of dialogue options, and how small the game feels, and the fact that the side missions are all scanning, and....etc

[-Skorpious-]

Yep. No fraction of ME3 (or previous ME games for that matter) is playable anymore.

[Getorex]

cbutz wrote...

On top of that, once you stop criticizing the ending...you start to notice the other flaws. It is like pulling the curtain back in the Wizard of Oz.

Isn't that true of the others equally?  In particular ME2?  I recall very well the critiques of ME2 in these forums...the story has no point, adds nothing at all to the story.  Cool characters, sure, but the plot?  WTF?

[Vormaerin]

Every game and movie can be torn apart if you put your mind to it. IMDB has a whole little fetish section about continuity errors, glitches, and other problems with movies.

The endings weren't very well done. That isn't innately fatal to the game, unless you want it to be. If you only play the game for different index cards at the end, then you are hosed. But if you like to play for different dialogue options and quest resolutions, they are there. There are different classes to explore, different companions to take along. All the same elements that make replaying ME1 and ME2 fun.

[Getorex]

As soon as PAX comes along and Bioware either cuts their own throat or does the right thing, I will determine whether all the ME games get deleted for good from my computer or get to stay. Bioware already lost my money on ME3 (I returned it...bought it used just a few days ago for HALF PRICE secondhand! NO MONEY FOR BIOWARE). They either throw themselves (and the franchise, including any plans for a full retard movie) under the bus, or they get their heads out of their anal sphincters. Crunch time approaches.

[Joker1117]

Never got this logic, but that's just me. To me, it's MAKING the decisions and PLAYING the game which I like most. Watching new conversations and scenes and trying new classes, weapons, and techniques. I'm disappointed by the endings too, believe me, but there's no way I'm not going to play the **** of ME3 because of it.

[Legion64]

I disliked the ending, but completed it 2 times with the same Ashton Shepard. (2nd one for insanity achievement).

Will be during 3rd playthrough for my female, Ashlyn!

[Getorex]

Joker1117 wrote...

Never got this logic, but that's just me. To me, it's MAKING the decisions and PLAYING the game which I like most. Watching new conversations and scenes and trying new classes, weapons, and techniques. I'm disappointed by the endings too, believe me, but there's no way I'm not going to play the **** of ME3 because of it.

Look, if no matter what I do, at the end of the day I am going to get in my car and have a wreck...I'm not going to DO that day.  It doesn't matter if I get laid in the morning, have a great time in the afternoon, etc, if it is all still going to end in a car wreck.  I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE REST.  I care about the unavoidable wreck at the end.  No wreck.  NO WRECK!  With the wreck sitting there I'm just going to stay home, thank you.  

The end of the journey IS as important as the journey.  Any attempt to claim otherwise is silly crap.  An aphorism is not reality.  An old saw is not reality.  It is tired, overused nonsense.  A story's end matters as much as the intro and the middle.  It is all of a piece.  It really is that simple.  You cannot just slap any old ending on "Scrooge" and have it be great because everything up to the end was good and classic.  The whole thing is total suck with a suck ending.

Modifié par Getorex, 04 avril 2012 - 01:37 .

[OMTING52601]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

Ending destroyed replayability only for those which doesn't care about the shooting aspect of the game and played multiple times for multiple choices.
So it destroyed replayability for me (actually I cannot even do the final "choice" because that's just too weird for my Shepard).

I think this is a good point of distinction to make. For players that played ME for the story and character interaction and not for the shooty bits, the end seems to have predominantly dissolved their reasons for replaying ME 3, and in some circumstances, the entire trilogy.

For players who weren't all that interested in the story to begin with, the end seems to be generally overlooked, or at least of lesser importance, than playing through the shooty bits again.

I've seen it in my own home. I have replayed the game four times, the last three stopping just before the start of the London mission. I just can't play through the end again, but I did want to see how some of my other Sheps faired in the story. I lose interest, hard, after tuchanka and then again after Rannoch, but I did manage to slog through to London.

My husband, on the other hand, could give two bits about the story. In fact, he hates all the autodialogue and cutscenes because they interrupt his shooty time. I get so, ridiculously angry when he plays, because he literally does not care at all about the story. Point in fact, every time he comes to a decision or dialogue point, he asks me what to do. Makes me so freakin' mad.

In truth, I feel like that's who BW/EA is actually aiming this game, and potentially all of their future games, at in regard to content. People like my DH, who would never have bought the game new and has zero interest in DLC, but who might have picked the game up on sale, or from the Xbox Marketplace, sort of picked through the combat sections and not given a fig about the story.

The biggest problem with trying to go this route, for the company, is that making forgetable games is not the way to guarantee sales. My DH wouldn't even bother messing with ME if it weren't for the fact that I own the games. He wouldn't seek it out, he isn't interested in sci-fi or RPG even remotely, he's only playing cause it's here. And after playing what he has of the game, he certainly isn't interested in buying any add'l content, which, I would have been interested in, but now am not. Of course, this is just my opinion and YMMV.

[Joker1117]

Getorex wrote...

Joker1117 wrote...

Never got this logic, but that's just me. To me, it's MAKING the decisions and PLAYING the game which I like most. Watching new conversations and scenes and trying new classes, weapons, and techniques. I'm disappointed by the endings too, believe me, but there's no way I'm not going to play the **** of ME3 because of it.

Look, if no matter what I do, at the end of the day I am going to get in my car and have a wreck...I'm not going to DO that day.  It doesn't matter if I get laid in the morning, have a great time in the afternoon, etc, if it is all still going to end in a car wreck.  I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE REST.  I care about the unavoidable wreck at the end.  No wreck.  NO WRECK!  With the wreck sitting there I'm just going to stay home, thank you.  

The end of the journey IS as important as the journey.  Any attempt to claim otherwise is silly crap.  An aphorism is not reality.  An old saw is not reality.  It is tired, overused nonsense.  A story's end matters as much as the intro and the middle.  It is all of a piece.  It really is that simple.  You cannot just slap any old ending on "Scrooge" and have it be great because everything up to the end was good and classic.  The whole thing is total suck with a suck ending.

I respectfully disagree. I care about the "journey" a lot more in games, no matter how much I care about the story. Once again, that's just my opinion; I can see why people can think otherwise.

[greatgoodness]

 I don't know...I liked the ending

It made sense that this was going to be a tough fight going in.  Fighting the Reapers with such overwhelming odds and barely even making far enough when facing The Ellusive Man showed that.  The choices were not pretty, but I chose the best one I could think of that suported my other decisions..  It was a deep and tough choice, but honestly it at least left things off on better standing.  

This game overall was powerful and moving!  The story is very cathartic, and some people are just terrified to look inward.  

Modifié par greatgoodness, 04 avril 2012 - 01:59 .

[Alpha-Centuri]

greatgoodness wrote...

 I don't know...I liked the ending

It made sense that this was going to be a tough fight going in.  Fighting the Reapers with such overwhelming odds and barely even making far enough when facing The Ellusive Man showed that.  The choices were not pretty, but I chose the best one I could think of that suported my other decisions..  It was a deep and tough choice, but honestly it at least left things off on better standing.  

This game overall was powerful and moving!  The story is very cathartic, and some people are just terrified to look inward.  

The rest of your post i perfectly respect, although I disagree that there is a "best" one to choose from. They all are equally crap in my opinion.

The bolded + underlined part I have a qualm with. Have you seen the amount of analysis done? Indoc theory, et al? Nah, I don't think its the lack of introspection that is the problem. It is the plot holes that surface the more and more you think about it. That, and they are almost verbatim the choices from Deus Ex (and the ending was praised then). Its a matter of not making sense.

[Gnaeus.Silvanus]

I re-imagined the ending like the reapers all giant and all should have just led [insert An End, Once and For All music] Shepard in the middle of a corn field and shot. His death would be more elegant and with finality.

[AlanC9]

Getorex wrote...
Look, if no matter what I do, at the end of the day I am going to get in my car and have a wreck...I'm not going to DO that day.  It doesn't matter if I get laid in the morning, have a great time in the afternoon, etc, if it is all still going to end in a car wreck.  I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE REST.  I care about the unavoidable wreck at the end.  No wreck.  NO WRECK!  With the wreck sitting there I'm just going to stay home, thank you.  

Even if you would get in a wreck and save all technological life from extermination by getting in that wreck?

Modifié par AlanC9, 04 avril 2012 - 02:37 .

[Cainne Chapel]

If I could save all life in this world by getting into that wreck...?

....Nah still wouldn't do it... Why? Because i'm WAY more important than all of you out there

Fact

heh heh

nah i'm kidding if my sacrifice would save millions... as long as I get a statue that paints me as epic as I truly am....yeah I'd do it...maybe...

[Mettyx]

Was anyone else pissed off that Bioware was so lazy they didn't even put proper class related omni-tool death of Kai Leng, instead it was default soldier?

[Eterna]

The ending impregnated my wife with a facehugger.

[Mettyx]

nikki191 wrote...

i had all 3 games installed on my computer and loved playing them but after 3 i cant touch them anymore and uninstalled the lot of them and put them in storage

Yes, that's the exact feeling I got after finishing ME3. I planned to replay it dozens of times like I did with ME1 and ME2 but all that impetus is lost now.

[BronD69]

After the ending and I saw my face in the reflection of the monitor.. which looked like a Bulldog chewing
a Wasp I think I will deffo pass.Really dont think I could go through that sight again never mind the game
so the answer would be.... No can do!!

Modifié par BronD69, 04 avril 2012 - 05:27 .

[Mettyx]

This ending makes most sense since it is by the author of the books and there were indications of it in ME2.
Also remember the Quarian research team on dark energy? All of that was scrapped.