KentGoldings wrote...
In "The Song of Ice and Fire" Novels there are moments when you want to throw the book out the window and stop reading. But, these are the best moments of the book.
Amen to that! Great stuff!
Ending destroyed replayability
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 11:58
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Amen to that! Great stuff!
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:01
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The obvious solution for Bioware here is to setup their games differently. They need an additional menu entry for "Gameplay" that deals with the type of game you will play. For those who just want to shoot stuff, can't be bothered about story, narrative, coherence, etc...they just want to shoot things, you give them the menu choice of "I just want to shoot stuff". There. You get a game in which all the dialog is skipped, intros to combat areas are provided brief introductions to set up the fight, and then you go in and shoot stuff up. You don't get an ending because it just doesn't really matter. Hell, they could just tack on the ending to Doom III or CoD to the end and call it good. You would then be given the option of doing it all again or dropping into MP.
For those that care about, and want, good story and narrative, you select "I want a good story". You get all the dialog, background, exploration missions, etc. You get a coherent introduction, middle, and coherent and logical end that clearly follows from the previous story. You don't get the tacked-on ending to Doom III or CoD because that would stand out like a sore thumb (or like a stupid ending that gives you a choice of three colors). Moronic. A good story isn't moronical unless it is "Dumb and Dumber". For this selection the ending matters as much as the intro and middle because a narrative flows logically from one to the next and must all fit together to work.
For those that care about, and want, good story and narrative, you select "I want a good story". You get all the dialog, background, exploration missions, etc. You get a coherent introduction, middle, and coherent and logical end that clearly follows from the previous story. You don't get the tacked-on ending to Doom III or CoD because that would stand out like a sore thumb (or like a stupid ending that gives you a choice of three colors). Moronic. A good story isn't moronical unless it is "Dumb and Dumber". For this selection the ending matters as much as the intro and middle because a narrative flows logically from one to the next and must all fit together to work.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:09
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it sure did for me. havent touched it for nearly 2 months.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:09
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Otaku Hanzo wrote...
KentGoldings wrote...
In "The Song of Ice and Fire" Novels there are moments when you want to throw the book out the window and stop reading. But, these are the best moments of the book.
Amen to that! Great stuff!
Ah...so the moments in the book that make you want to toss it are the BEST parts of the books. Hmmm. Toss the book because you didn't say what I think you wanted to say. The BEST parts are the parts that make you want to toss it...
Toss the books. Toss ME3 too, because it is crap.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:41
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The ending was terrible, but it hasn't stopped me from replaying it. The game had some great moments. Hopefully the writers can hold their hands up and admit they got it wrong in the last ten minutes, but that's unlikely. They seem to have put more effort in telling the Krogan story than the final segment. It could be that the Krogan are going to play a major role for the next installment, whatever choice you decided to make with the Genophage. This felt more important than the actual ending imo.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:44
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Christoffee wrote...
They seem to have put more effort in telling the Krogan story than the final segment. It could be that the Krogan are going to play a major role for the next installment, whatever choice you decided to make with the Genophage. This felt more important than the actual ending imo.
The endings made everything you did with the Krogans redundant.
And who's to say there will be another instalment? At best they try their hand at some MMO.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:00
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If they do go down the MMO route, that's were I definitely stop playing Mass Effect.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:17
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Christoffee wrote...
If they do go down the MMO route, that's were I definitely stop playing Mass Effect.
MMO route? With wath story background? Nobody will play this, if it will be set up before ME3
And there is no future for the Milky Way galaxy post ME3 with this ending.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:40
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I think what the GRR Martian book shows is that you can have these catastrophic character moments that break the story or make past events irrelevant that don't ruin the entire saga.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:46
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I have to agree op. I find myself stopping just short of the Cerberus assault because there is just no point. Oy. What a waste.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:49
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The ending is mostly what keeps me from actively playing single-player, most of the time i have free is devoted to running some Silver rounds on MP to be entertained for some time.
I have imported a second ME1/ME2 Shepard and started playing again for the sake of seeing how romancing Liara plays out, two weeks into this new playthrough i got not very far after the Priority: Mars mission.
I am not happy to say that what encourages me to play at the moment is the need to feel i did not waste my money on the game.
I have imported a second ME1/ME2 Shepard and started playing again for the sake of seeing how romancing Liara plays out, two weeks into this new playthrough i got not very far after the Priority: Mars mission.
I am not happy to say that what encourages me to play at the moment is the need to feel i did not waste my money on the game.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:51
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Good luck luchozuca. I'm already there.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:09
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@TmJ78: very good find with that article.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:11
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The money quote
In this and other ways, the ending doesn't reward the player for paying attention to the world the games have presented. Indeed, the more the player understands about the Mass Effect universe, the worse the ending seems. For a game series that had a rich backstory conveyed through dialogue, detailed factsheets, and miles of text, disregarding the lore is a significant act of disrespect towards the invested player. It argues that their interest in the world does not matter, not even to the world's originators
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:11
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So the consensus is that for most players, particularly those most personally invested in the whole story (rather than just gameplay mechanics), the ending renders the game, even ENTIRE series, no longer playable. A follow-on consensus appears to be that for those in the above group who CAN still push themselves to replay, the best option is to stop short of the ending...particularly around the Cerberus base point.
Nice job Bioware. Nice job.
Nice job Bioware. Nice job.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:12
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TjM78 wrote...
http://kotaku.com/58...nvested-players
Are those the guys that were calling everyone entitled whiners a couple of weeks ago?
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:14
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BobSmith101 wrote...
TjM78 wrote...
http://kotaku.com/58...nvested-players
Are those the guys that were calling everyone entitled whiners a couple of weeks ago?
No that is one writers opinion.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:14
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BobSmith101 wrote...
TjM78 wrote...
http://kotaku.com/58...nvested-players
Are those the guys that were calling everyone entitled whiners a couple of weeks ago?
Perhaps they've realised that their bread and butter requires they NOT insult the vast bulk of their readership. They don't write reviews (technically) for the developer, they are supposed to be reviewing games for the potential buying audience. When they drop the ball SO badly on vacuous, shallow glowing reviews, their very livelihood becomes at stake.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:19
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Getorex wrote...
BobSmith101 wrote...
TjM78 wrote...
http://kotaku.com/58...nvested-players
Are those the guys that were calling everyone entitled whiners a couple of weeks ago?
Perhaps they've realised that their bread and butter requires they NOT insult the vast bulk of their readership. They don't write reviews (technically) for the developer, they are supposed to be reviewing games for the potential buying audience. When they drop the ball SO badly on vacuous, shallow glowing reviews, their very livelihood becomes at stake.
I wish people would stop lumping every writer under one "they" when it comes to websites. They are all comprised of individual writers with different opinions
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:20
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Getorex wrote...
BobSmith101 wrote...
TjM78 wrote...
http://kotaku.com/58...nvested-players
Are those the guys that were calling everyone entitled whiners a couple of weeks ago?
Perhaps they've realised that their bread and butter requires they NOT insult the vast bulk of their readership. They don't write reviews (technically) for the developer, they are supposed to be reviewing games for the potential buying audience. When they drop the ball SO badly on vacuous, shallow glowing reviews, their very livelihood becomes at stake.
Don't try. They only want to be cool. Thats pathetic
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:21
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Imperium Alpha wrote...
Getorex wrote...
BobSmith101 wrote...
TjM78 wrote...
http://kotaku.com/58...nvested-players
Are those the guys that were calling everyone entitled whiners a couple of weeks ago?
Perhaps they've realised that their bread and butter requires they NOT insult the vast bulk of their readership. They don't write reviews (technically) for the developer, they are supposed to be reviewing games for the potential buying audience. When they drop the ball SO badly on vacuous, shallow glowing reviews, their very livelihood becomes at stake.
Don't try. They only want to be cool. Thats pathetic
You're so right the structural biologist wanted to be cool .
**** even when people agree with you people you **** on them
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:22
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But books aren't RPG.Otaku Hanzo wrote...
KentGoldings wrote...
In "The Song of Ice and Fire" Novels there are moments when you want to throw the book out the window and stop reading. But, these are the best moments of the book.
Amen to that! Great stuff!
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 02:26
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That's about the speed of it, yeah.Getorex wrote...
So the consensus is that for most players, particularly those most personally invested in the whole story (rather than just gameplay mechanics), the ending renders the game, even ENTIRE series, no longer playable. A follow-on consensus appears to be that for those in the above group who CAN still push themselves to replay, the best option is to stop short of the ending...particularly around the Cerberus base point.
Nice job Bioware. Nice job.
Mass Effect is the first (and, as yet, only) RPG I've ever played. If this is to be par for the course, I'm done with them. I'm not going to jump into Bioware's next series and get invested in a new set of characters only to be forced to screw THEM over, too.
