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katamuro wrote...

Red Dust wrote...

If Bioware fails at PAX, "holding the line" takes on new meaning. They'd have called our bluff. They'd have taken the chance that we are, as they suspected, a minority.

Holding the line will mean that we make good on our threats. We turn our back not only on "bioware" but on the company it represents. We stop purchasing EA products in their many forms: Games, DLC, Novels. Anything. We encourage others to do the same. Bioware may be lost, but we can stop the practices that lead to their downfall. We can save future gaming companies from going down the path that Bioware did.

We can at least try

Way ahead of you. see my sig. If Retake is truly a minority and only a minority of them follow similar paths ... in the end we won't gain much but the personal satisfication of refusing to be used and abused. If we are not a minority and most of use do...

[Mushufasa1512]

I'm not sure why people are giving up with PAX being a couple days away. Am I optimistic? Nope. But I'm at least going to give them this chance. And yeah, if it does go badly, Diablo 3 is out next month I think.

[DarkBladeX98]

no sig.
suspect pro-ender attempted sabotage.
disregard.

[XRelakX]

Toy Story bro.I still love mass effect and thanks to BW for presenting this universe i still like BW

[Oakshire]

They have already stated this isn't the end of the mass effect universe. I intend to follow it beyond mass effect 3s ending

[lucidfox]

Mushufasa1512 wrote...

I'm not sure why people are giving up with PAX being a couple days away. Am I optimistic? Nope. But I'm at least going to give them this chance. And yeah, if it does go badly, Diablo 3 is out next month I think.

Diablo III is even worse. At least BioWare games don't put the singleplayer component on a remote server and sell in-game items for real money.

[tkdrobert]

Arcian wrote...

hagren wrote...

I'm certainly not giving up on Bioware because 10 minutes of more than 150 hours of entertainment disappointed me. I actually find this mentality to be rather disturbing.

ME3 is like going on a family vacation, spending an obscene amount of time driving to the destination only to get there right as a nuclear missile airbursts the place, destroying your car, killing your family and giving you terminal cancer from the fallout.

Yeah, the 150 hours before reaching this catastrophe was amazing, but if you honestly think it justified getting your vacation resort nuked, you have some serious mental issues.

THAT is the problem with ME3's ending. It killed everything we ever loved about the game and made the amazing journey to the end completely pointless.

Sorry but that is a gross overreaction. Nothing can take away my fond memories of what came before.

[Hydralysk]

lucidfox wrote...

Mushufasa1512 wrote...

I'm not sure why people are giving up with PAX being a couple days away. Am I optimistic? Nope. But I'm at least going to give them this chance. And yeah, if it does go badly, Diablo 3 is out next month I think.

Diablo III is even worse. At least BioWare games don't put the singleplayer component on a remote server and sell in-game items for real money.

True, but to be fair, for most people D2 was never really a single player focused game to begin with.

[BamBam38]

It's not even Friday dude. And for heaven sakes people, no one is ever perfect. Can anyone give Bioware some breathing room. Yes i understand people are upset and they have valid reasons to be. They made a mistake, ok, but we should try to help Bioware make it a learning experience so they make better content and games in the future. Instead we are collectively destroying their work and pounding them in the ground.

[Zolt51]

Diablo 3? Seriously? That's your backup plan?

I mean. The first Diablo was fine when I was in high school but... Baldur's gate woke me up to greater things.

Modifié par Zolt51, 03 avril 2012 - 05:49 .

[aliengmr1]

Pax is where we should decide. The reality is that no one knows what BW is planning. Thus far the little communication we have had suggests that BW was planning DLC to make the ending make more sense. That DLC would be during the events of ME3 and not after.

I believe this was their plan all along, and the communication seems to support that. However, I can't say that that hasn't changed. I've read articles saying they are changing the ending, and while I know that wasn't said, BW has taken no steps to correct this. Does this mean anything? I don't think so. But, I don't really know what to think.

Pax will go one of two ways I think.

1. They announce the DLC they intended all along with the assumption that it will fix the ending.

2. They announce the DLC, but acknowledge the actual ending needs work and decide to work on it. They delay the DLC in order to add ending fixes.

Basically it will come down to whether they acknowledge what the fans have said or not. I really think the PR we got so far hasn't and that its possible they have changed their minds. Unlikely sure, but the fact remains is that Casey Hudson himself hasn't come out and said NO.

Pax will be the deciding point. If they are listening then they know everybody expects this and if they don't intend to give us an answer they would have said so. Regardless of what they decide, Pax is the deadline for a lot of people, myself included.

[Verit]

I'm not sure what to expect from Bioware at this point. I'm still hoping they'll surprise everyone with actual alternate, more diverse endings alongside the "clarification" content. I don't see the point in giving up on Bioware before we know what the new ending content is actually going to be.

[Johcande XX]

IMO I'm done with BioWare games after ME3, as well as EA in general. I have time/money and friends invested in ME so I will stick around, voice my opinions, vote in whatever statistics are presented to me. I'm waiting on the next big story from PAX.

If they do change the ending, GREAT! If they "clarify" the ending, then I'm done. But regardless of whichever route they chose, I'm out when it comes to BioWare/EA. This whole ordeal between developer and consumer has been a slap in the face, and I'm no masochist.

[rizuno]

I haven't noticed the Retake Movement being dead. And I haven't given up, you know, kind of like Shepard...which is sort of the point, isn't it?

[CYRAX470]

But...blowing things up with Carnage is so fun!

I can't quit!

[hagren]

Arcian wrote...

hagren wrote...

I'm certainly not giving up on Bioware because 10 minutes of more than 150 hours of entertainment disappointed me. I actually find this mentality to be rather disturbing.

ME3 is like going on a family vacation, spending an obscene amount of time driving to the destination only to get there right as a nuclear missile airbursts the place, destroying your car, killing your family and giving you terminal cancer from the fallout.

Yeah, the 150 hours before reaching this catastrophe was amazing, but if you honestly think it justified getting your vacation resort nuked, you have some serious mental issues.

THAT is the problem with ME3's ending. It killed everything we ever loved about the game and made the amazing journey to the end completely pointless.

You don't take into account that, in contrast to a journey- where the travel, regardless how enjoyable, is only a means to an end, a destination- a game's main goal (at least for me) isn't to reach and experience the end; its goal is to entertain and/or hook for the ride itself, whether because the gameplay is enjoyable, the controls are tight, the presentation is marvelous, the atmosphere is great or the setting unique.
Actually, games have so many aspects going for them in comparison to, say, a movie, that certain shortcomings can easily be eased by having strenghts in different departments. ME3 has plenty.

It's quite interesting to note, by the way, how similar the ME3 ending fiasco to Mafia II is- just as with ME3, there were certain promises (Side missions similar to GTA!) that, be it for financial, publishing or temporal reasons were not held; there was cut content from the game that was later sold as DLC; and most tellingly, it had a very sudden, anticlimactic ending that was so depressing that, just like with ME3, people were asking for a changed and/or clarified ending that made the finale mor palatable- but it never came, partially for artistic reasons- for them, it was intended to be that way.
And guess what? I still played through that game 4 or 5 times because the GFX were so marvelous, the atmosphere so unique, the controls so precise and the concept so engaging.

Tl, dr: Games are at least as much about experiencing the journey as to reach and experience the ending, and they have so many different layers to them that some smaller or bigger issues should not necessarily tarnish the whole package/experience. Whether or not the ending is that disastrous is subjective anyway.

Saying that the end nullified your efforts in he game is like saying that living is pointless because both you, your friends and family and Earth will die one day.

Modifié par hagren, 03 avril 2012 - 06:08 .

[jumpingkaede]

tkdrobert wrote...

Sorry but that is a gross overreaction. Nothing can take away my fond memories of what came before.

If anything could, ME3's ending could.

I remember agonizing with my friend and debating about whether or not it was better to keep the Collector Base.  Guess what?  It doesn't make any difference.  So that discussion, while fun, was ultimately meaningless.

I'm certainly never going to care about that decision again, and if I ever decide to play ME2 I'll just pick one of the choices at random.  Because who cares?  Bioware doesn't.  The Mass Effect universe doesn't.

Now multiply that by every decision you made in the past.  Remember when you decided to release the rachni and let a once-proud species regain its glory?  Doesn't matter.  No one cares.  Bioware doesn't.  The Mass Effect universe doesn't.  Remember when you appointed Anderson the Councilor, because a military man is exactly who you want for the job?  Doesn't matter.

And so on.

[Saul Iscariot]

I've been largely disappointed by Nintendo for a good few years but I'd never write them off, same for Bioware. Judge every release on its own merits or be a slave too....[/Edit clearly on the pay roll or an IGN Troll]

[tkdrobert]

jumpingkaede wrote...

tkdrobert wrote...

Sorry but that is a gross overreaction. Nothing can take away my fond memories of what came before.

If anything could, ME3's ending could.

I remember agonizing with my friend and debating about whether or not it was better to keep the Collector Base.  Guess what?  It doesn't make any difference.  So that discussion, while fun, was ultimately meaningless.

I'm certainly never going to care about that decision again, and if I ever decide to play ME2 I'll just pick one of the choices at random.  Because who cares?  Bioware doesn't.  The Mass Effect universe doesn't.

Now multiply that by every decision you made in the past.  Remember when you decided to release the rachni and let a once-proud species regain its glory?  Doesn't matter.  No one cares.  Bioware doesn't.  The Mass Effect universe doesn't.  Remember when you appointed Anderson the Councilor, because a military man is exactly who you want for the job?  Doesn't matter.

And so on.

It matters to me and that is all that matters.  You need to look at things from a Zen point of view.  You control your emotions, you control your reactions to events, you control your thoughts, no one can make you feel anything unless you let them...

Modifié par tkdrobert, 03 avril 2012 - 06:23 .

[Rache123]

Nope can't give up on em just yet..........

[ragnorok87]

Kitedtk wrote...

I'm going to give them a chance... Bioware has been an amazing company, they've made lots of brilliant games. Even ME3 was absolutely brilliant right up until the last 20 minutes or so...
so i'm willing to give them the chance to fix those last 20 minutes... if they don't... then i'll give up on them... but i'm still willing to hope...
the game series still has a hold on my heart... the ending hurt me... but the greatness of the series is still there for me.

i fully agree with this. im holding hope and of course i will continue to

HOLD THE LINE!

[Yearlongjester]

I'm close, but I'll at least wait until we see what they have to say. If it's just more BS then yeah I'm done. Honestly more fed up with how they've handled this whole thing rather than the game itself.

[Dave Hoffman]

I'll assume you're sincere, and have really ignored or just missed the specific complaints of the aggrieved. As a result, you don't know that the problem isn't just that there are only 3 endings:

1.) Were promised 16 different endings, not 3.
2.) Were specifically promised "not A, B, C" endings.
3.) Were promised wildly disparate endings, which were closely related to our choices over the whole series.

What we we promised wasn't what we got. Even you say that.

I hope that's clearer now. If it isn't, there are hundreds of threads detailing the broken promises, exactly and specifically pointing out what Bioware said would be there, but wasn't.

This has always kind of bugged me.  The way the game
ends isn't to my liking either, but I still try to be fair about things.

So to be fair, Bioware never promised anything.  I see that allegation
thrown around constantly, and it's simply not true.  I haven't read every interview, so maybe I missed it.  But in all the interviews that I've read, I didn't see the word "promise" anywhere.  Link, please?

These so-called promises were implied?  Come on.  There are distinct and obvious differences between something said, and something promised.  It's usually the words "I" and "promise," and it changes the whole meaning of what was said.  It adds a level of accountability, but I shouldn't have to explain that.

I may be quibbling over semantics, but where I come from, giving your word means something.  As such, being accused of breaking your word is a serious accusation on character.  They may or may not be liars, but they aren't promise-breakers.  Stupid point, but I had to say it 

Modifié par Dave Hoffman, 03 avril 2012 - 06:30 .

[Lietuvis]

I still have... some hope, not sure what i'm hoping, but i think we deserve better than this

[z-r0]

Naah, I'm too invested into Mass Effect. I'm just chillin' and waiting for PAX.