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[Nevadie 305]

veramis wrote...

Art is something with aesthetic value or requiring skill. I see little of either in ME3.

Yet you still registered an account and the game just to post hatred on ME3 official forums, troll.

[AIR MOORE]

I just love the picture the Smithsonian uses for their art exhibit:

americanart.si.edu/exhibitions/archive/2012/games/


(Again, of course... the e-intellects on here have "proven" indeed it is not art for various reasons)... but I just love the Smithsonian exhibit picture for "The ART of video games".

Anyone else find it kind of comical... considering it isn't art and all? haha...(AGAIN... not trying to prove it is, just seeing if anyone else finds it comical)

Modifié par AIR MOORE, 05 avril 2012 - 01:28 .

[BRichins330]

Just to throw a couple of philosophical points in, all of it is Art…

Windows, OSX, Adobe, and even the not too happy ending of Mass Effect 3 are all considered art work. The “Oracle of Modern Wisdom” (Google) defines art as, “1. The expression or application of human creative skill and imagination”. The creation of the bow and arrow would be classified as a masterpiece that is still in use today. If you compare Windows for Workgroups 3.11 against Windows 7, you will see the masterpiece of artwork Microsoft has developed from then to now.

The interpretation of how that art is viewed by all is a matter of opinion per the individual. In my opinion the classification of a masterpiece is one’s artwork that is appreciated over the span of time.

Ask me in 10 years if I am still playing Mass Effect series, then I will answer if it is a masterpiece or not.

[Deltateam Elcor]

Everything is art, no matter which way you slice this cake, i am not getting into a moronic discussion about how subjective ideas can be SUBJECTIVE.

This species is a joke. 

Everyone is an artisan, creating works of art, whether it is clay, paper, canvas, pixellated, data, a collection of 1s and 0s.

All things can be quantified, to certain people maths is beautiful in itself.

You dont get to say what is or isnt art.

Modifié par Deltateam Elcor, 05 avril 2012 - 01:29 .

[BostonVamp]

FYI: The Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences is going to have an exhibit at PAX East that "will be displaying pieces from last year's Into the Pixel art exhibit. Their goal is to advance "the artistic values of the interactive entertainment community."" ME 2 will be part of the exhibit. This is from a piece on Boston.com this morning. So there is really going to be a push for this concept.

[Vexia2070]

AIR MOORE wrote...

I just love the picture the Smithsonian uses for their art exhibit:

(Again, of course... the e-intellects on here have "proven" indeed it is not art for various reasons)... but I just love the Smithsonian exhibit picture for "The ART of video games".

Anyone else find it kind of comical... considering it isn't art and all? haha...

The smithsonian also has ensrined the chair of Archi Bunker. LOL

No, it is not art. Even novelist call their vocation a craft. Art is a call that History ends up making long after the snobs have finished trying to prove how important they are.

The creators of Mass Effect were wonderful craftsmen. Dedicated to their craft. I am refering to the original team. and the equally enspired team that followed up with Mass effect 2. But the chemistry changed due to who knows what variables aside from EA. When you play M3 you can feel which portions of the game where really inspired and loved by those who worked on it. You can sense when your Shepard is just being dragged around to get it done. As for the end, I think they ran out of time-backs to the wall. No one crafts well like that. And it shows.

[Trikormadenadon]

I am torn on this subject.
On one hand I don't see video games as art, despite what the Smithsonian Museum might have us believe. It is a product, pure and simple.
On the other hand, it takes a whole heck of a lot more creativity than I would be able to come up with in 100 years to make a good video game, and as such I can see why others would consider them works of art.

As such, I am starting to think, maybe they are works of art, HOWEVER, they are most definitely NOT immune to being changed due to customer feedback because they are also a product at the same time.

Modifié par Trikormadenadon, 05 avril 2012 - 01:32 .

[Qutayba]

These arguments always seem to assume that Art is some grand untouchable magic thing. Art, simply put, is a creative product that aims to impart an aesthetic experience. Much, if not most, art is also a commodity. Not all art is good. Art is not changeless. Video games are an artistic medium.

Did playing the game make you experience beauty, cause you to feel an emotion, or think about human life? Or, more importantly, did you at least get the sense that it was trying to? If so, then it's art.

[Sesshaku]

Videogames can be Art.

But Art doesn't make it good or a masterpiece that can only be criticized by ignorants. For example, music is art, but Justin Bieber's music ....it's not good art.

Literature is Art....but Stephenie Meyer books....are not precisely a masterpiece.


Well, i believe videogames CAN be art just as middle term between movies and books, but Mass Effect 3 ending was not a masterpiece, it wasn't even good, and instead, it was crap, full of plotholes and poorly made.

Modifié par Sesshaku, 05 avril 2012 - 01:45 .

[Vexia2070]

BostonVamp wrote...

FYI: The Academy of Interactive Arts & Sciences is going to have an exhibit at PAX East that "will be displaying pieces from last year's Into the Pixel art exhibit. Their goal is to advance "the artistic values of the interactive entertainment community."" ME 2 will be part of the exhibit. This is from a piece on Boston.com this morning. So there is really going to be a push for this concept.

Last years...
If we elevate them to prima-donas we will have a ugly nerd version of the housewives of beverly hills. God, I barely managed to watch about 15 min of that at my stepmother before asking her what the hell she was watching. That is the kind of TV entertainment that is taking the place of real art, real acting, real scripts and real talent.

Horrific as the reapers to me.

I watched the TV -Oscar version THING for gaming. I was appalled because in a society obsessed with celebrity and celeb entitlement, I knew that a great ugly divide was coming. I want to be a gaming STAR as compared to I want to be a gaming success. 

In about five years we will have the mainstream game makers that morons will drool and simper over.
And then there will be the much smaller game companies that will deliver for the love of it. Not the fame.

Yes, portions of a video game can be art. All of a game can be art. I say "Can be" not "Is". I would say landing on the moon was an incredible achievement... that took many creative minds to pull off with tools far more primitive than say My computer - or a new Volvo - But that does not make it art. It makes it a great achievement...

In my book you can call it art only if you call every creative endevor ART.  At which point we are back on a level playing field. If everthing can be art, now we have to define good art from bad. And if we have gone to this level then I submit that ME3 was art that failed to meet the expectations that it promised its audience.

Modifié par Vexia2070, 05 avril 2012 - 02:00 .

[zimm2142]

Video Games can be, and often are art.
they are also almost always a form of COMMISSIONED ART.
Independent and/or indie studios are one thing, But a studio subject to publishers influence is subject to their choice on what they believe will make the most profit.

[Mycrus Ironfist]

apologies if this has already been posted, but it raises many good points about all this artsy fartsy stuff...

youtu.be/aBETU-uOGh8

Modifié par Mycrus Ironfist, 05 avril 2012 - 01:57 .

[Peranor]

"Art" or "artistic integrity" is just fancy word to hide behind when you made a misstake that you don't want to make up for.

[highcastle]

Video games absolutely have the capacity to be an art form, and many games have crossed the line from pure entertainment to art in the past. The difference between something like Microsoft Office and Mass Effect is the difference between a how-to tutorial video and something like Little Miss Sunshine (or insert your favorite art film of choice). Just because they use similar technology doesn't mean they're intended for the same purpose.

Furthermore, the ME trilogy follows a narrative structure akin to what we see in literature, film, television, the theatre, graphic novels, etc. The narrative--regardless of medium--always has the capacity to transcend pure entertainment and become art. What's the difference? Well, that's dependent on your personal beliefs and a matter of debate amongst art critics even today. One interpretation is mimesis: or that art should imitate life as much as possible so that some fundamental understanding about the human condition can be reached. For a science fiction game, it's hard to find a ton of mimetic value in ME, though the conflicts and perils faced by many of the alien races are allegories for human struggles and past events (i.e. the krogan's nuclear holocaust representing fears in the Cold War).

Others say art comments on real world issues in some way. ME certainly has a lot to say about the distinction of life: the debate about organics versus synthetic life is one we see in a smaller scale about the perils of genetic engineering, cloning, and even a woman's right to choose. The nature, definition, and distinction of life is constantly being discussed. ME has something to say about that discussion, and it does so in a symbolic way through the use of the geth, EDI, and even the Reapers. That use of symbolism and interpretation is another facet often present in art.

[Peranor]

Mycrus Ironfist wrote...

apologies if this has already been posted, but it raises many good points about all this artsy fartsy stuff...

youtu.be/aBETU-uOGh8

Good video. I hadn't see that one before.

[Vexia2070]

highcastle wrote...

Video games absolutely have the capacity to be an art form, and many games have crossed the line from pure entertainment to art in the past. The difference between something like Microsoft Office and Mass Effect is the difference between a how-to tutorial video and something like Little Miss Sunshine (or insert your favorite art film of choice). Just because they use similar technology doesn't mean they're intended for the same purpose.

Furthermore, the ME trilogy follows a narrative structure akin to what we see in literature, film, television, the theatre, graphic novels, etc. The narrative--regardless of medium--always has the capacity to transcend pure entertainment and become art. What's the difference? Well, that's dependent on your personal beliefs and a matter of debate amongst art critics even today. One interpretation is mimesis: or that art should imitate life as much as possible so that some fundamental understanding about the human condition can be reached. For a science fiction game, it's hard to find a ton of mimetic value in ME, though the conflicts and perils faced by many of the alien races are allegories for human struggles and past events (i.e. the krogan's nuclear holocaust representing fears in the Cold War).

Others say art comments on real world issues in some way. ME certainly has a lot to say about the distinction of life: the debate about organics versus synthetic life is one we see in a smaller scale about the perils of genetic engineering, cloning, and even a woman's right to choose. The nature, definition, and distinction of life is constantly being discussed. ME has something to say about that discussion, and it does so in a symbolic way through the use of the geth, EDI, and even the Reapers. That use of symbolism and interpretation is another facet often present in art.

Art as defined today can also be wholly abstract. Relating to nothing but "I like the color gray" from the artists point of view. I appreciate abstract art, know its origins, know what the movment was rebelling against, and know what it found within itself when the rebellion was over.

But even if I like the colors, it never moves me emotionally. I appraise it with intellectual understanding. I fully support the artist who like to paint it.

But I don't hang it in my hone. AND I would never use it as an end for a narrative interactive story like M3. Sure seems to me someone came very close to that and then cried ART!