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The Post PAX Contingency Plan (PPCP) and further plans (UPDATED as of 4/4/12). (Please Read)


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 In light of the recent debacles about EA in Latin America I have decide to create this right now. Should a mod come in and dispel the ****storm that is going to arise from this leak I think we'll all be better off. The intention of this topic is to rally people around the common goal of asking peacefully for resolved issues regarding the endings. Addendums to be added should any new information arise.

I Wanna Be Your Dog

Bioware's initial silence was not unexpected, but the continued silence has only furthered the nagging suspicion in my head that Bioware was clearly caught off guard and has since slinked away like a guilty dog, all the while looking at us mournfully. I am personally bothered by this, as I know Bioware is better than this. This retreat has put both the fans and Bioware into a funny position and one that has surely damaged both of our reputations. But like a loyal hound many of us aren't going to go away, even when told.

The Facts Or: Why I won't buy the artistry defense.

I've suffered through a lot of nasty films, including the infamous last film of Pier Paolo Pasolini (who was murdered because of it!), who adapted his film from a Marquis de Sade novel. I won't go into specifics here but the film is a great source of debate among film scholars and viewers a like. The ending to this film is better than Mass Effect 3. Your game denies any sort of basic rational catharsis and attempts to spin a tale of schizophrenic yarn that would make David Lynch blush. No art form has ever isolated sixty thousand people before Bioware. A Clockwork Orange couldn't do it. Scorsese's The Last Temptation of Christ could not it. Pasolini's final film could not do it and lastly, Lars von Trier's infamous Antichrist could not do it. When you upset people on an emotional level, not a political one you do not have the right to claim artistry. People protest films because they find the films content objectionable. People are protesting your game because they have been legitmatly hurt.

Detailing the contingency plan.


Why are we still here?

I'm still here because I find the ending to be emotionally dead in the water which is surprising considering the rest of the game is pure gold. This unfortunatly makes the ending even worse. I could personally care less about sixteen seperate endings, but I cannot look at the current endings at face value. In your attempt to supposedly be artistic you have bypassed nihilism and gone straight into fatalism. You ultimatly deem everything Shepard accomplished to be worthless which goes against everything you've done over the last five years. Whether or not this is intentional remains to be seen.

1. We aren't going away.

Any further stalling by Bioware will certainly drive thousands away but I seriously doubt that sixty thousand people will get up and go home. I'm always bothered when people underestimate protestors and their resolve.

2. We aren't stupid

We know exatcly what's going on and feel obejctified by the experience. I do not believe that Bioware is filled with mustached twirling sociopaths laughing at our displeasure but a great number of us don't like being dangled in front of a fire in torment. You've hurt a great number of people Bioware and deeply. Please, please think about what you've done here.

3. We aren't lacking in passion.

Contrary to popular belief passion lasts much longer than money does. Everything that has happened in the aftermath of release is a direct result of people's passion for the universe you have created. People are fighting back in the only way they know how.

What can be done?

I'm at a loss for words here as I don't believe that anything Bioware does at this point will salvage their reputation from this fiasco. Far, far too many people have been hurt? The best case scenario is that Bioware openly admits an unintentional mistake and as a result I'm fairly certain a great number of us would rally behind them in an attempt to fix this. As crass as that is to say I believe at this point it's the only way we can prevent all hell from breaking loose.

New section oulined below.

Digging in the Dirt: Finding the places we got hurt.

I've been very hurt by this whole debacle, I haven't slept properly since I beat the game on the tenth of March. Needless to say the ending has hurt me more than I though it would. It has however glavanized me into the belief that I truly love the Mass Effect Universe. I've spent quite a lot of time there and many of us have to. I think it would be best to remember all the good times we've had playing this games and use them as cognitive catalysts to further our resolves. I very much want to remember Mass Effect as a positive experience, not as a bad break-up. This attempt to salvage what we have is the best defense we can muster and quite a lot of us will have to go digging as the explosion of an ending scattered us everywhere. I'm not going anywhere and neither are the shattered memories of past experiences. Use it as an example to further your resolve.

New section oulined below 4/4/12

Kiss that Frog: Clarifying my intentions.

There has been a lot of talk about what to do if PAX doesn't go well, some people have suggested more extreme lengths that are currently not being employed. I wish to stress that this is not my intention under any circumstance. I am opposed to any type of violent protest, in real life or otherwise. I will hold the line peacefully and I hope you will too. I will glady sit in front of the perpetual bulldozer but I will not throw molotov cocktails at it. As a reassurance to everyone, this type of action has shown more results on this forum than any other. Please learn that being respectful will always win you more friends.

The hurt certainly shows Bioware, and the pain is still growing.

And no, I don't plan on stopping the Peter Gabriel quotes

You can blow out a candle
But you can't blow out a fire
Once the flames begin to catch
The wind will blow it higher



Modifié par Taboo-XX, 04 avril 2012 - 04:09 .


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Step one: if they don't fix the ending, don't buy any DLC.

Step two: don't pre-order any more of their games. If a month after release the consensus is theyr'e good, then buy them, but don't assume Bioware won't blow it, because they blew DA2 and they blew ME3.

Oh, and keep complaining all over the world. If they treat the fanbase with contempt they deserve infinite bad PR.

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Contengency plan? Is that even a word!?

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Good post. Can never be too careful

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SlyTF1 wrote...

Contengency plan? Is that even a word!?


Yes it is. I fully intend to utilize it.

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The misuse of words like "nihilism" and "fatalism" on this board is quite staggering.

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I wonder what they're thinking about right now. I bet they're just dying to tell us what's going on but they can't. Throw us a cookie, Bioware. I beseech you to come into this thread and say something!

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Don't worry. If PAX turns out to be a bust these forums will be on fire again.

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CaliGuy033 wrote...

The misuse of words like "nihilism" and "fatalism" on this board is quite staggering.


Go watch Pasolini's film. Nihilism in the face of fascism.

Go play Mass Effect 3 and understand fatalism.

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Who's awesome? You're awesome!

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GigaTheToast wrote...

Who's awesome? You're awesome!


Thank you.

A further addendum to be added about DLC at some point.

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I'm bothered by the fact that all this could go away if they admitted they made a mistake. What an awful position we've put them in.

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While I understand your hurt from the ending and was very saddened by it myself, I think you are jumping to a "last resort" response too quickly. You are saying "I don't believe that anything Bioware does at this point will salvage their reputation from this fiasco." If so many others start agreeing with you on this point and Bioware saw it, why would they even want to fix the game? What's the point in trying to please someone who cannot be pleased?

I think this "we will never trust Bioware again" rhetoric is premature: the game hasn't even been out a month. Bioware is a company known for being VERY good at integrating fan feedback, which was done for both ME 2, ME 2 DLC, and much of ME 3: I know because some of my and fellow forumites personal requests made it into the games. If Bioware completely blows us off with their next DLC, sure, then you have an excuse to be absolute in your demands. Now, however, I think it's better to be patient and see what happens rather than start dropping ultimatums.

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1490 wrote...

While I understand your hurt from the ending and was very saddened by it myself, I think you are jumping to a "last resort" response too quickly. You are saying "I don't believe that anything Bioware does at this point will salvage their reputation from this fiasco." If so many others start agreeing with you on this point and Bioware saw it, why would they even want to fix the game? What's the point in trying to please someone who cannot be pleased?

I think this "we will never trust Bioware again" rhetoric is premature: the game hasn't even been out a month. Bioware is a company known for being VERY good at integrating fan feedback, which was done for both ME 2, ME 2 DLC, and much of ME 3: I know because some of my and fellow forumites personal requests made it into the games. If Bioware completely blows us off with their next DLC, sure, then you have an excuse to be absolute in your demands. Now, however, I think it's better to be patient and see what happens rather than start dropping ultimatums.


My intention was to prepare people for the worst case scenario and to able to use the logic and then use the draft from the ensuing explosion to fly above all the crap. This is called a contingency plan for a reason mate. I still trust Bioware will make this right. As I stated in the OP, they aren't a group of mustache twirling sociopaths.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 03 avril 2012 - 06:02 .


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 Good post!

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Sixty Thousand people? Where did you hear this?

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At this rate i wont even buy the 'Clarification' DLC. I'll just youtube it. I expect it to be bundled with some multiplayer nonsense anyway.

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Linkenski wrote...

Sixty Thousand people? Where did you hear this?


From the polls. I assumed that because sixty thousand people voted at least sixty thousand were upset by the endings.

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Linkenski wrote...

Sixty Thousand people? Where did you hear this?


Retake ME3 group. Not including anyone that hasnt come forth about their views on the ending.

Realistically, its AT LEAST 60K

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PAX... It's Bioware's last hope at gaining redemption.

I hope they use the chance right.

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Dusty Boy T wrote...

PAX... It's Bioware's last hope at gaining redemption.

I hope they use the chance right.


The bare minmum they could probably get away with is a detailed explanation of what they're going to do.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

My intention was to prepare people for the worst case scenario and to able to use the logic and then use the draft from the ensuing explosion to fly above all the crap. This is called a contingency plan for a reason mate. I still trust Bioware will make this right. As I stated in the OP, they aren't a group of mustache twirling sociopaths.


I know, and you seem like a logical person; I've read several of your other posts on other threads.  However, you also need to be careful about inciting anger and paranoia in people, especially since so many are in an emotionally-troubled state right now because of the endings.  Many people scour these forums for any hint of news from Bioware about the game, and I've seen time and time again people read posts based on supposition and theory and get riled up by them.  Yes, it's good to be prepared, but I think we need to avoid absolute statements right now, like that Bioware "can't" or "won't" fix this, because we just don't know yet.

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Dranks wrote...

I wonder what they're thinking about right now. I bet they're just dying to tell us what's going on but they can't. Throw us a cookie, Bioware. I beseech you to come into this thread and say something!


Yes, be the Femshep to our Garrus and throw us a bone here.

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1490 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

My intention was to prepare people for the worst case scenario and to able to use the logic and then use the draft from the ensuing explosion to fly above all the crap. This is called a contingency plan for a reason mate. I still trust Bioware will make this right. As I stated in the OP, they aren't a group of mustache twirling sociopaths.


I know, and you seem like a logical person; I've read several of your other posts on other threads.  However, you also need to be careful about inciting anger and paranoia in people, especially since so many are in an emotionally-troubled state right now because of the endings.  Many people scour these forums for any hint of news from Bioware about the game, and I've seen time and time again people read posts based on supposition and theory and get riled up by them.  Yes, it's good to be prepared, but I think we need to avoid absolute statements right now, like that Bioware "can't" or "won't" fix this, because we just don't know yet.


Very, very true. I just want people to be ready that's all. We can turn negative feelings into positive ones if we play it right. I don't know what Bioware is going to do.

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sean10mm wrote...

Step one: if they don't fix the ending, don't buy any DLC.

Step two: don't pre-order any more of their games. If a month after release the consensus is theyr'e good, then buy them, but don't assume Bioware won't blow it, because they blew DA2 and they blew ME3.


What he said.