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[ragnorok87]

if they dont fix the ending not only will i not buy dlc but i will sell all my bioware products to someone so bioware gets no money and i will boycott all future bioware products.

[DJCaptainPicard]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

Sixty Thousand people? Where did you hear this?

From the polls. I assumed that because sixty thousand people voted at least sixty thousand were upset by the endings.

The Facebook page "Demand a better ending to Mass Effect 3" has 59,522 supporters.  https://www.facebook...ngToMassEffect3

[Taboo]

DJCaptainPicard wrote...

sean10mm wrote...

Step one: if they don't fix the ending, don't buy any DLC.

Step two: don't pre-order any more of their games. If a month after release the consensus is theyr'e good, then buy them, but don't assume Bioware won't blow it, because they blew DA2 and they blew ME3.

What he said. 

They haven't announced things yet..........

[Taboo]

DJCaptainPicard wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

Linkenski wrote...

Sixty Thousand people? Where did you hear this?

From the polls. I assumed that because sixty thousand people voted at least sixty thousand were upset by the endings.

The Facebook page "Demand a better ending to Mass Effect 3" has 59,522 supporters.  https://www.facebook...ngToMassEffect3

A poll on the BSN has over sixty thousand votes.

[avatar0]

I have repeated myself enough on this forum and others.
The majority of the fans have also spoken loudly and clearly regarding this issue.
If Bioware still ignores us and decides to go its way, then so be it.
I am not going to beg, so I certainly hope Bioware will do the right thing on PAX East.
Because I will not beat a dead horse. I rather not deal with it at all.

[1490]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Very, very true. I just want people to be ready that's all. We can turn negative feelings into positive ones if we play it right. I don't know what Bioware is going to do.

I'm a very skeptical person, and though I won't go saying this on every forum, but I don't expect Bioware to change the endings (if I'm proven wrong that will be awesome). However, if I took that stane on the forums it would be pointless; I'd be better off using my time to do something productive.  And so in an effort to help people who feel screwed over by the ending and to try to eliminate a lot of the pointless, angry, Bioware-bashing, I'm keeping a positive attitude and trying to encourage others to do the same.  In any case, I see too many people abandoning Bioware already, which if they want a new ending is absolutely pointless, because Bioware isn't going to make something for people who are swearing them off; they'll just move on to the next title.  Therefore, I think it's just as important to show support for the good news we hear, and when I see a dev or mod post something, I try to reply back with thanks for the good parts of the game and positive comments.

[DJCaptainPicard]

Taboo-XX wrote...

DJCaptainPicard wrote...

sean10mm wrote...

Step one: if they don't fix the ending, don't buy any DLC.

Step two: don't pre-order any more of their games. If a month after release the consensus is theyr'e good, then buy them, but don't assume Bioware won't blow it, because they blew DA2 and they blew ME3.

What he said. 

They haven't announced things yet..........

The qualifier is "if."  IF they don't fix the ending.  They could even fix it after any announcement and then we wouldn't have to resort to Steps 1 and 2.

[Fireclown2020]

Linkenski wrote...

Sixty Thousand people? Where did you hear this?

Last count I saw it was over 75 thousand people.

I just want an ending that is coherant with the gameplay style.  I want my choices thoughout the game to be recognised rather than brushed under the carpet.  I understand there are '16' different cutscenes but the end result is practically the same for EVERY game.  So why go through all those choices to have it all end the same?  Makes re-playing ME1, ME2 and ME3 pointless.

I don't believe this is 'Art'.  This is a form of Entertainment, Media Entertainment and should be treated as such.  Artwork and writing etc are within the game, the final product, Entertainment.

I would like what we were promised by Casey Hudson less than a month from release date.  A game end that is tailord to your choices thoughout all three games and is not, I stress NOT, an A, B or C finish which this clearly is.

I feel cheated as a consumer!

If something isn't done I just won't buy BioWare again just like I won't buy Lionhead games anymore.  There are many companies out there that need support to make great RPG games etc and I would rather funnel my money into them.

Sorry BioWare if that sounds harsh but I feel like you have cheated me out of my money on this occassion and you have NOT delivered on what this product was supposed to be.

-FC

Modifié par Fireclown2020, 03 avril 2012 - 06:21 .

[Taboo]

avatar0 wrote...

I have repeated myself enough on this forum and others.
The majority of the fans have also spoken loudly and clearly regarding this issue.
If Bioware still ignores us and decides to go its way, then so be it.
I am not going to beg, so I certainly hope Bioware will do the right thing on PAX East.
Because I will not beat a dead horse. I rather not deal with it at all.

You can't let your voice die down. The moment you stop voicing concern you've already lost.

[TookYoCookies]

Well said OP.

you keep holding the line; and ill be right next to you.

[Firefear]

sean10mm wrote...

Step one: if they don't fix the ending, don't buy any DLC.

Step two: don't pre-order any more of their games. If a month after release the consensus is theyr'e good, then buy them, but don't assume Bioware won't blow it, because they blew DA2 and they blew ME3.

Oh, and keep complaining all over the world. If they treat the fanbase with contempt they deserve infinite bad PR.

It's not the plan...but it's a perfect plan.

[Mitra]

Good thread, excellent point Taboo-XX, I'm with you all the way my friend!
We hold the line together!

[Taboo]

The support is great guys, thanks.

[Zeppex]

LOL the use of contingency reminded me of the movie Armageddon.
Bruce Willis asks if NASA had a back up plan, but he said contingency.
Maybe Bioware will hire drillers.

[Taboo]

Zeppex wrote...

LOL the use of contingency reminded me of the movie Armageddon.
Bruce Willis asks if NASA had a back up plan, but he said contingency.
Maybe Bioware will hire drillers.

And not blow up their IP with a bomb.

[1490]

I don't like to speculate much because I think that it leads to disappointment far too often, but for the level-headed Retakers, this is what I think will happen if we don't see an ending DLC soon: assuming Bioware announces some other DLC at PAX and doesn't offer any clarifying statements about an ending DLC coming out, people will turn up the pressure on them. Retake has already shown it is very quickly able to come up with money and organization for protests, like the "3 colors cupcakes" protest. I think Retakers are going to keep protesting until one of two things happens:

1. Bioware finally announces (with clarity) an intent to create a "new ending" DLC that incorporates the primary asking points of the movement.

2. Bioware isn't going to change the ending, but keeps avoiding a statement because they want to keep the customers playing and buying additions to the product. Eventually, they will be pressured into saying definitely, "we WILL NOT change the ending." This is when I think you will see mass boycotts occur, and a big drop of players (and prices) for Bioware games.

Right now, EA has been analyzing whether it will be more economical to risk spending money on an ending DLC that angry fans may not buy, or to take the financial loss of 75K plus paying customers, as they still have millions of others and could make up that 75K with good advertising campaigns to casual gamers. So until they officially come out and say a new ending DLC WON'T happen, I encourage everyone to support Bioware and Mass Effect, and continue to voice your desire to play a new ending DLC.

Modifié par 1490, 03 avril 2012 - 06:36 .

[pikey1969]

1490 wrote...

While I understand your hurt from the ending and was very saddened by it myself, I think you are jumping to a "last resort" response too quickly. You are saying "I don't believe that anything Bioware does at this point will salvage their reputation from this fiasco." If so many others start agreeing with you on this point and Bioware saw it, why would they even want to fix the game? What's the point in trying to please someone who cannot be pleased?

I think this "we will never trust Bioware again" rhetoric is premature: the game hasn't even been out a month. Bioware is a company known for being VERY good at integrating fan feedback, which was done for both ME 2, ME 2 DLC, and much of ME 3: I know because some of my and fellow forumites personal requests made it into the games. If Bioware completely blows us off with their next DLC, sure, then you have an excuse to be absolute in your demands. Now, however, I think it's better to be patient and see what happens rather than start dropping ultimatums.

If that EA employee leak wasn't true, Bioware definitely would have stepped in by now. The moderating team I mean.

And before you say it means nothing cause they've denied legitimate leaks before (day-1 javik dlc and multiplayer), not really. They at least now will understand how much of a s**t-storm it would cause if they were to deny the unpopular leak only for it to be true.

That said, a lot of people won't be with the OP on this. While it's saddening that what we got is probably the best we'll get from Bioware, many people will be willing to accept the 'expansion/clarification' patch/dlc as a gesture of good will and promise that they won't make mistakes like this again in the future.

Modifié par pikey1969, 03 avril 2012 - 06:36 .

[Taboo]

1490 wrote...

I don't like to speculate much because I think that it leads to disappointment far too often, but for the level-headed Retakers, this is what I think will happen if we don't see an ending DLC soon: assuming Bioware announces some other DLC at PAX and doesn't offer any clarifying statements about an ending DLC coming out, people will turn up the pressure on them. Retake has already shown it is very quickly able to come up with money and organization for protests, like the "3 colors cupcakes" protest. I think Retakers are going to keep protesting until one of two things happens:

1. Bioware finally announces (with clarity) an intent to create a "new ending" DLC that incorporates the primary asking points of the movement.

2. Bioware isn't going to change the ending, but keeps avoiding a statement because they want to keep the customers playing and buying additions to the product. Eventually, they will be pressured into saying definitely, "we WILL NOT change the ending." This is when I think you will see mass boycotts occur, and a big drop of players (and prices) for Bioware games.

Right now, EA has been analyzing whether it will be more economical to risk spending money on an ending DLC that angry fans may not buy, or if the financial loss of 75K plus paying customers, as they still have millions of others and could make up that 75K with good advertising campaigns to casual gamers. So until they officially come out and say a new ending DLC WON'T happen, I encourage everyone to support Bioware and Mass Effect, and continue to voice your desire to play a new ending DLC.

We need to bide time. I won't get my hopes up but the DLC is ultimately more of the Producers descision. If they want it will probably get made.

[1490]

pikey1969 wrote...

If that EA employee leak wasn't true, Bioware definitely would have stepped in by now. The moderating team I mean.

And before you say it means nothing cause they've denied legitimate leaks before (day-1 javik dlc and multiplayer), not really. They at least now will understand how much of a s**t-storm it would cause if they were to deny the unpopular leak only for it to be true.

That said, a lot of people won't be with the OP on this. While it's saddening that what we got is probably the best we'll get from Bioware, many people will be willing to accept the 'expansion/clarification' patch/dlc as a gesture of good will and promise that they won't make mistakes like this again in the future.

Which "EA leak" are you referring to?  There are a lot of trolls out there right now trying to incite anger in we "entitled fans."  While many people here do not trust Bioware much anymore, I'll take an official statement by them over any "leak" that presents itself in a random, small publications or section of the internet.

[Taboo]

1490 wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

If that EA employee leak wasn't true, Bioware definitely would have stepped in by now. The moderating team I mean.

And before you say it means nothing cause they've denied legitimate leaks before (day-1 javik dlc and multiplayer), not really. They at least now will understand how much of a s**t-storm it would cause if they were to deny the unpopular leak only for it to be true.

That said, a lot of people won't be with the OP on this. While it's saddening that what we got is probably the best we'll get from Bioware, many people will be willing to accept the 'expansion/clarification' patch/dlc as a gesture of good will and promise that they won't make mistakes like this again in the future.

Which "EA leak" are you referring to?  There are a lot of trolls out there right now trying to incite anger in we "entitled fans."  While many people here do not trust Bioware much anymore, I'll take an official statement by them over any "leak" that presents itself in a random, small publications or section of the internet.

Plus it isn't in English. We don't have a reliable translation.

[pikey1969]

1490 wrote...

I don't like to speculate much because I think that it leads to disappointment far too often, but for the level-headed Retakers, this is what I think will happen if we don't see an ending DLC soon: assuming Bioware announces some other DLC at PAX and doesn't offer any clarifying statements about an ending DLC coming out, people will turn up the pressure on them. Retake has already shown it is very quickly able to come up with money and organization for protests, like the "3 colors cupcakes" protest. I think Retakers are going to keep protesting until one of two things happens:

1. Bioware finally announces (with clarity) an intent to create a "new ending" DLC that incorporates the primary asking points of the movement.

2. Bioware isn't going to change the ending, but keeps avoiding a statement because they want to keep the customers playing and buying additions to the product. Eventually, they will be pressured into saying definitely, "we WILL NOT change the ending." This is when I think you will see mass boycotts occur, and a big drop of players (and prices) for Bioware games.

Right now, EA has been analyzing whether it will be more economical to risk spending money on an ending DLC that angry fans may not buy, or to take the financial loss of 75K plus paying customers, as they still have millions of others and could make up that 75K with good advertising campaigns to casual gamers. So until they officially come out and say a new ending DLC WON'T happen, I encourage everyone to support Bioware and Mass Effect, and continue to voice your desire to play a new ending DLC.

Apart from your points about the retake movement, I don't think what any of you said from the perceived perspective of Bioware/EA and your preidcition of the future to be on point at all.

Bioware will not budge on changing or adding new choices to the endings entire like the movement wants it to. From their perspective (and somewhat reasonable at that) clarification will be more than enough to signifiy Bioware's recognition that they botched the endings here and will do their best to not repeat such mistakes, and it will also diminish the current magnitude of the Retake movement so that it leaves Bioware enough room to breathe until their next game when they'll have a shot at trying to win the lost fans back.

The choices, the realistic choices for Bioware right now aren't really as simple as 'self-destruct all future/reputation' or 'save the day by giving retake movement exactly what it wants'.

Modifié par pikey1969, 03 avril 2012 - 06:45 .

[pikey1969]

1490 wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

If that EA employee leak wasn't true, Bioware definitely would have stepped in by now. The moderating team I mean.

And before you say it means nothing cause they've denied legitimate leaks before (day-1 javik dlc and multiplayer), not really. They at least now will understand how much of a s**t-storm it would cause if they were to deny the unpopular leak only for it to be true.

That said, a lot of people won't be with the OP on this. While it's saddening that what we got is probably the best we'll get from Bioware, many people will be willing to accept the 'expansion/clarification' patch/dlc as a gesture of good will and promise that they won't make mistakes like this again in the future.

Which "EA leak" are you referring to?  There are a lot of trolls out there right now trying to incite anger in we "entitled fans."  While many people here do not trust Bioware much anymore, I'll take an official statement by them over any "leak" that presents itself in a random, small publications or section of the internet.

A newspaper article quoting an EA employee/district manger in Mexico? Sounds more than valid enough as a legitimate leak to me.

Also, even the leak aside, the little of what Bioware has actually said up until now all point to 'clarification', rather than a ret-con or additional endings that the ReTake movement has been fighting for.

I w

[1490]

Taboo-XX wrote...

1490 wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

If that EA employee leak wasn't true, Bioware definitely would have stepped in by now. The moderating team I mean.

And before you say it means nothing cause they've denied legitimate leaks before (day-1 javik dlc and multiplayer), not really. They at least now will understand how much of a s**t-storm it would cause if they were to deny the unpopular leak only for it to be true.

That said, a lot of people won't be with the OP on this. While it's saddening that what we got is probably the best we'll get from Bioware, many people will be willing to accept the 'expansion/clarification' patch/dlc as a gesture of good will and promise that they won't make mistakes like this again in the future.

Which "EA leak" are you referring to?  There are a lot of trolls out there right now trying to incite anger in we "entitled fans."  While many people here do not trust Bioware much anymore, I'll take an official statement by them over any "leak" that presents itself in a random, small publications or section of the internet.

Plus it isn't in English. We don't have a reliable translation.

Is this referring to the so-called Mexican print publication that said "EA won't change the ending?"  So right now that's 3rd hand information, which isn't reliable at all.  Secondly, when Dr. Ray made his statement about "clarifying" the endings, many publication headlines stated "Bioware agrees to change game ending."  Much of the press has largely misread and misinterpeted statements by Bioware and the Retake movement alike, so one publication stating this really means nothing to me at this point.

[Taboo]

1490 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

1490 wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

If that EA employee leak wasn't true, Bioware definitely would have stepped in by now. The moderating team I mean.

And before you say it means nothing cause they've denied legitimate leaks before (day-1 javik dlc and multiplayer), not really. They at least now will understand how much of a s**t-storm it would cause if they were to deny the unpopular leak only for it to be true.

That said, a lot of people won't be with the OP on this. While it's saddening that what we got is probably the best we'll get from Bioware, many people will be willing to accept the 'expansion/clarification' patch/dlc as a gesture of good will and promise that they won't make mistakes like this again in the future.

Which "EA leak" are you referring to?  There are a lot of trolls out there right now trying to incite anger in we "entitled fans."  While many people here do not trust Bioware much anymore, I'll take an official statement by them over any "leak" that presents itself in a random, small publications or section of the internet.

Plus it isn't in English. We don't have a reliable translation.

Is this referring to the so-called Mexican print publication that said "EA won't change the ending?"  So right now that's 3rd hand information, which isn't reliable at all.  Secondly, when Dr. Ray made his statement about "clarifying" the endings, many publication headlines stated "Bioware agrees to change game ending."  Much of the press has largely misread and misinterpeted statements by Bioware and the Retake movement alike, so one publication stating this really means nothing to me at this point.

Very true. Also things have a tendency to get lost in translation............

[MC_Loki]

This one will continue to hold the line.
This one also wants Blasto DLC.