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[pikey1969]

1490 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

1490 wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

If that EA employee leak wasn't true, Bioware definitely would have stepped in by now. The moderating team I mean.

And before you say it means nothing cause they've denied legitimate leaks before (day-1 javik dlc and multiplayer), not really. They at least now will understand how much of a s**t-storm it would cause if they were to deny the unpopular leak only for it to be true.

That said, a lot of people won't be with the OP on this. While it's saddening that what we got is probably the best we'll get from Bioware, many people will be willing to accept the 'expansion/clarification' patch/dlc as a gesture of good will and promise that they won't make mistakes like this again in the future.

Which "EA leak" are you referring to?  There are a lot of trolls out there right now trying to incite anger in we "entitled fans."  While many people here do not trust Bioware much anymore, I'll take an official statement by them over any "leak" that presents itself in a random, small publications or section of the internet.

Plus it isn't in English. We don't have a reliable translation.

Is this referring to the so-called Mexican print publication that said "EA won't change the ending?"  So right now that's 3rd hand information, which isn't reliable at all.  Secondly, when Dr. Ray made his statement about "clarifying" the endings, many publication headlines stated "Bioware agrees to change game ending."  Much of the press has largely misread and misinterpeted statements by Bioware and the Retake movement alike, so one publication stating this really means nothing to me at this point.

Wait what? That's exactly what I am saying. Bioware never agreed to change the ending, nor has it ever alluded any intentions of doing so. Dr. Ray's statement was quite claer, endings will be 'clarified' but not 'changed'. The team is clearly simply not interested in doing that at all.

[avatar0]

Taboo-XX wrote...

avatar0 wrote...

I have repeated myself enough on this forum and others.
The majority of the fans have also spoken loudly and clearly regarding this issue.
If Bioware still ignores us and decides to go its way, then so be it.
I am not going to beg, so I certainly hope Bioware will do the right thing on PAX East.
Because I will not beat a dead horse. I rather not deal with it at all.

You can't let your voice die down. The moment you stop voicing concern you've already lost.

I am still holding the line.
I am just saying that I treat PAX East (assuming that this is where they'll make their official annoucement) as the cut-off point.
If it becomes apparent that BIoware doesn't give a rat's axx about its fans, then that's that.

This entire experience has been like a really bad break up for me.
There comes a point when enough is enough, you know?
It's not here yet, but I will not let Bioware trample all over me again.

So worst case scenario for me?
I cut off all ties with Bioware and will want nothing to do with it in the future ever again.
That's how I survived all bad break-ups.

Modifié par avatar0, 03 avril 2012 - 06:49 .

[DarkBladeX98]

hold the line.
once we're out of ammo, we've got the Krogan's foreheads.

[Taboo]

DarkBladeX98 wrote...

hold the line.
once we're out of ammo, we've got the Krogan's foreheads.

This. I don't know what to believe anymore. I'll wait until PAX.

[1490]

Taboo-XX wrote...

1490 wrote...

Is this referring to the so-called Mexican print publication that said "EA won't change the ending?"  So right now that's 3rd hand information, which isn't reliable at all.  Secondly, when Dr. Ray made his statement about "clarifying" the endings, many publication headlines stated "Bioware agrees to change game ending."  Much of the press has largely misread and misinterpeted statements by Bioware and the Retake movement alike, so one publication stating this really means nothing to me at this point.

Very true. Also things have a tendency to get lost in translation............

Nobody here has even read the article.  As far as we know (if it's even a real statement from EA, which I highly doubt), "not changing the endings" could mean that they are keeping the current endings in the game and adding new options. Who knows what else was in the article?  For instance, the statement "I did your wife a favor by walking your guys' dog for you while she picked up your kids," could seem very inappropriate if you stopped the sentence at "I did your wife."   Context is everything.

[Namz89]

I think I can agree pretty much with the OP - shoulder to shoulder we stand.

[1490]

pikey1969 wrote...

Wait what? That's exactly what I am saying. Bioware never agreed to change the ending, nor has it ever alluded any intentions of doing so. Dr. Ray's statement was quite claer, endings will be 'clarified' but not 'changed'. The team is clearly simply not interested in doing that at all.

Dr. Ray's post was a very neutral and noncommital statement, which intended to acknowledge fan concerns about the ending without making a definitive plan about how it would be affected. Thus the word "clarify," that could be intended to mean any number of things.  Likely at this point they hadn't even decided what they were going to do yet.  Again, I would actually wait for the announcement to occur before you decide that Bioware is never interested in doing it.

[Taboo]

1490 wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

Wait what? That's exactly what I am saying. Bioware never agreed to change the ending, nor has it ever alluded any intentions of doing so. Dr. Ray's statement was quite claer, endings will be 'clarified' but not 'changed'. The team is clearly simply not interested in doing that at all.

Dr. Ray's post was a very neutral and noncommital statement, which intended to acknowledge fan concerns about the ending without making a definitive plan about how it would be affected. Thus the word "clarify," that could be intended to mean any number of things.  Likely at this point they hadn't even decided what they were going to do yet.  Again, I would actually wait for the announcement to occur before you decide that Bioware is never interested in doing it.

Again, you speak the truth. I don't think they have decided what to do either. They wouldn't have let this drag on if they had no intention from the start.

[ragnorok87]

yeah i am waiting for pax to see if they will commit to anything. pax shall be the true test. if bioware is silent on this issue there will be a riuot.

[luchozuca]

Nice post, yes, i will hold the line as the others.
We have to stand and be heard, determination is our greatest ally now.

[Zolt51]

Taboo-XX wrote...
[ ] far too many people have been hurt [ ]

Seriously? Hurt? Sounds a bit emo, no? Or did your ME copy blow up in your face and disfigure you for life? I myself had a hoot and a half during the game, then some disappointment at the ending. Couple of glasses of Scotch were enough to deal with most of that.

Modifié par Zolt51, 03 avril 2012 - 06:58 .

[Taboo]

Nachtdämmerung wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

DarkBladeX98 wrote...

hold the line.
once we're out of ammo, we've got the Krogan's foreheads.

This. I don't know what to believe anymore. I'll wait until PAX.

We all wait for PAX...April the 6th will be a very important day, one way or the other...

But do you know what? Even if our hopes might be crushed that day, we stand strong and we stand together...and we'll always have another backup plan

I fully intend to fight to the bitter end.

[Taboo]

Zolt51 wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...
[ ] far too many people have been hurt [ ]

Seriously? Hurt? Sounds a bit emo, no? Or did your ME copy blow up in your face and disfigure you for life? I myself had a hoot and a half during the game, then some disappointment at the ending. Couple of glasses of Scotch were enough to deal with most of that.

I didn't mean physically..........goodness.

[Tairram]

After pax ,we will talk about. After their announcment.

I have hope until they say something.

If bw dont hear us...I think this way ''why i will invest in a company that doesnt listen the fans, false quote about what the game will be and i can invest in a game that will end like ...''

They did a great work and make my imagination go beyond with mass effect. Thats why im having a lot of hope. Because I am trying to trust what they did until the last 10 minutes of pain. it must being scheduled. I hope TT

But until there I hold the line.

And about the art. Art is something we can admire and how i will admire that end ? that end doesnt have art for me ^~

[Taboo]

Tairram wrote...

After pax ,we will talk about. After their announcment.

I have hope until they say something.

If bw dont hear us...I think this way ''why i will invest in a company that doesnt listen the fans, false quote about what the game will be and i can invest in a game that will end like ...''

They did a great work and make my imagination go beyond with mass effect. Thats why im having a lot of hope. Because I am trying to trust what they did until the last 10 minutes of pain. it must being scheduled. I hope TT

But until there I hold the line.

And about the art. Art is something we can admire and how i will admire that end ? that end doesnt have art for me ^~

The ending isn't art, it's just awful. The rest of the series is though.

[pikey1969]

1490 wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

Wait what? That's exactly what I am saying. Bioware never agreed to change the ending, nor has it ever alluded any intentions of doing so. Dr. Ray's statement was quite claer, endings will be 'clarified' but not 'changed'. The team is clearly simply not interested in doing that at all.

Dr. Ray's post was a very neutral and noncommital statement, which intended to acknowledge fan concerns about the ending without making a definitive plan about how it would be affected. Thus the word "clarify," that could be intended to mean any number of things.  Likely at this point they hadn't even decided what they were going to do yet.  Again, I would actually wait for the announcement to occur before you decide that Bioware is never interested in doing it.

Well, that's one way to read it. And it's true, it clearly wasn't built up to be a definitive statement by any means more than it was to calm the fan out-rage and follow them in through til April (Pax) when they'll likely be definitive/final on the matter.

And it'll be nice to see that the Retake movement gets what they've been asking for. No doubt that.

But really, everything they've deon and said so far. The tone with which they've managed their PR, does not indicate in anyway that what they've come to decide on (or perhaps already decided on) is something that the Retake movement has been asking for. There's being coy to tease and build up expectation, and then there's being coy to negate expectation. Everything they've done so far indicates to me it's the latter rather than the former.

Also, consider all the factors outside of the Retake movement, they just don't line up in favor of the Retake movement. Consider the business-implications, the time-frame they would have to work with, the practicality of financing/organizing the resources they would need to properly produce an ending that the fans are demanding, what it says about their confidence/integrity (as much as people would like to laugh at it), what the developers actually feel/want to create, the press response, and more importantly a potentially whole new fallout from trying to sell an ending DLC that many will consider to be cannon/superior.

I agree with the OP's sentiments that the Retake will tragically, not received the ending they've been asking for and what the series truyl deserves.

That said, it's about time people realized that if Bioware actually hadn't been at work on the alt/new endings already (everything points to they haven't been really), Bioware actually giving what the fans have truly been asking for is pretty impractical for them to achieve, barring miracles (still keeping fingers crossed for that).

Modifié par pikey1969, 03 avril 2012 - 07:07 .

[Tairram]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Tairram wrote...

After pax ,we will talk about. After their announcment.

I have hope until they say something.

If bw dont hear us...I think this way ''why i will invest in a company that doesnt listen the fans, false quote about what the game will be and i can invest in a game that will end like ...''

They did a great work and make my imagination go beyond with mass effect. Thats why im having a lot of hope. Because I am trying to trust what they did until the last 10 minutes of pain. it must being scheduled. I hope TT

But until there I hold the line.

And about the art. Art is something we can admire and how i will admire that end ? that end doesnt have art for me ^~

The ending isn't art, it's just awful. The rest of the series is though.

Yep!!!

[Taboo]

pikey1969 wrote...

1490 wrote...

pikey1969 wrote...

Wait what? That's exactly what I am saying. Bioware never agreed to change the ending, nor has it ever alluded any intentions of doing so. Dr. Ray's statement was quite claer, endings will be 'clarified' but not 'changed'. The team is clearly simply not interested in doing that at all.

Dr. Ray's post was a very neutral and noncommital statement, which intended to acknowledge fan concerns about the ending without making a definitive plan about how it would be affected. Thus the word "clarify," that could be intended to mean any number of things.  Likely at this point they hadn't even decided what they were going to do yet.  Again, I would actually wait for the announcement to occur before you decide that Bioware is never interested in doing it.

Well, that's one way to read it. And it's true, it clearly wasn't built up to be a definitive statement by any means more than it was built up to quelm the fan out-rage until April (Pax) where they'll more or less be definitive about the matter.

And it'll be nice to see that the Retake movement gets what they've been asking for. No doubt that.

But really, everything they've deon and said so far. The tone with which they've managed their PR, does not indicate in anyway that what they've come to decide on (or perhaps already decided on) is something that the Retake movement has been asking for. There's being coy to tease and build up expectation, and then there's being coy to negate expectation. Everything they've done so far indicates to me it's the latter rather than the former.

Also, consider all the factors outside of the Retake movement, they just don't line up in favor of the Retake movement. Consider the business-implications, the time-frame they would have to work with, the practicality of financing/organizing the resources they would need to properly produce an ending that the fans are demanding, what it says about their confidence/integrity (as much as people would like to laugh at it), what the developers actually feel/want to create, the press response, and more importantly a potentially whole new fallout from trying to sell an ending DLC that many will consider to be cannon/superior.

I agree with the OP's sentiments that the Retake will tragically, not received the ending they've been asking for and what the series truyl deserves.

That said, it's about time people realized that if Bioware actually hadn't been at work on the alt/new endings already (everything points to they haven't been really), Bioware giving what the fans have truly been asking for is pretty impractical.

Money is not an issue and I know that. Don't be fooled by this notion. They have plenty of money. If they simply added one good ending where Shepard lives and one failure ending a great many people would be fine. That's all they need to do.

Modifié par Taboo-XX, 03 avril 2012 - 07:08 .

[1490]

I think many of the people on these forums don't really understand how much work and decision making goes into making DLC. There are A LOT of people involved in making this product, including writers, programmers, artists, voice actors, and marketers. Many of those people are likely working on different projects right now, so the producers need to find out if it's even POSSIBLE to pull everyone back to make this DLC before they can do it.

Secondly, they're a business, so they need to figure out if making this DLC will actually turn a profit. That is, are there enough people who want to see a new ending to make it worthwhile to produce? What if most people are too mad to even buy it and it bombs? What if they alienate the fanbase who DID like the ending and lose money that way? I doubt this will happen, but if they made the DLC free like many people are demanding, can they make that money back in practically-guaranteed sales of future games from the customers they just made happy? If not, then it can't be free.

Voice actors are a very important part of ME and would be in DLC also. These actors live in many different locations and work on many other media. If they make a new ending DLC, will they be able to get all the VAs required to do it? What if Mark Meer or Jennifer Hale is booked on other games until May or June because they didn't think they would be involved in making DLC until then? (If they were,btw, nondisclosure agreements would prevent them from telling us anyway).

Lastly, so many people have complained they "felt the ending was rushed." Yet many of these are the same people demanding an immediate DLC ending fix. If you thought the ending was bad because it was made too quickly, why do you think a slapped-together DLC would be any better? This is why it's very important to be patient with Bioware and give them a little time to make things official.

[BioChair]

Good luck with your crusade guys.

[Taboo]

Both Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale have said they'll go along with whatever Bioware wants to do.

You can record VO over long distances now.

[pikey1969]

Taboo-XX wrote...

Money is not an issue and I know that. Don't be fooled by this notion. They have plenty of money. If they simply added one good ending where Shepard lives and one failure ending a great many people would be fine. That's all they need to do.

Please educate us.

[x-Killision-X]

Melancholic wrote...

Don't worry. If PAX turns out to be a bust these forums will be on fire again.

Or completely void of the core fan base. We shall see.