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[Korusus]

You can't put the genie back in the bottle. Pandora's box has already been opened. It's such an unfortunate situation and was completely avoidable had they approached the situation the right way. The ending was handled badly and wasn't planned until the very last months of development despite the series always having been a trilogy (thank you Final Hours app)...then you have Casey Hudson ABC. The response to the outcry against the endings was handled badly...the Jessica Chobot situation was handled badly...the Day 1 DLC situation was handled badly...It's really amazing to watch.

[MaleQuariansFTW]

Taritu wrote...

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@kanjilikesboys We're so glad you liked it. Don't worry, your ending won't be changed. We're just releasing more content.

They really need to stop saying "Don't worry". It's really insulting to those that don't like the ending. 

It's like BioWare is meaning to create distance between them and their hardcore fans.

[Fedi.St]

If Bioware completely removes the last 20 minutes of the game they will take away completely their fan's trust, or even the illusion of trust.

I've said it again and I will once more: It's their game they can do whatever they like but it has to give a descent closure and meaning and not leaving the whole franschice in this sorry state. If they take a defensive approach and just give some more cutscenes and text fair enough but they will lose LOTS of their fanbase core (20-80 pareto anyone?). So i trust their need for keeping their company alive and give us a reasonable closure worthy of the mass effect series.

Even if they can use intoxication theory and make it right I support it.

[Canned Bullets]

Hopefully 'adding on' means adding the multiple satisfying endings the fanbase wants and not just polishing a turd while the ending defenders in denial praise it.

[Artemis_Entrari]

The twitter post will likely be deleted or clarified later on.  They've already "retracted" stuff posted previously on their official twitter page.

[Quionic]

 They don't need to change the endings, just add an actual good ending. 

[Legion64]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Ending doesn't need to be changed. Adding on to the ending to fill in the blanks is perfectly acceptable.

This. The ending just needs to fill in of some plot holes and we will all be good.

[Shelled]

MaleQuariansFTW wrote...

Taritu wrote...

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@kanjilikesboys We're so glad you liked it. Don't worry, your ending won't be changed. We're just releasing more content.

They really need to stop saying "Don't worry". It's really insulting to those that don't like the ending. 

It's like BioWare is meaning to create distance between them and their hardcore fans.

Meh.... the only way I'm going to be satisfied is if what they add is so extensive with depth of quality that I don't notice the other endings are still there.

As long as these bad horible endings with the normandy and all that is still there, well... it's still there. It's like having a glass of water and someone pouring a bit of coke in it. Well, it's sweeter but it's still diluted.

[Ryvack]

Uwe211 wrote...

oo_oo

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I go to bed now...

hey prothean eyes....COOL!

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[dpg05c]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Hopefully 'adding on' means adding the multiple satisfying endings the fanbase wants and not just polishing a turd while the ending defenders in denial praise it.

Actually, I wouldn't quite call the endings a "turd"

Unfinished, incomplete, yeah.

A "turd?" no.

The endings have potential.   They were just presented in a poor manner.   It's obvious that there are scenes missing which provide context, and logic that doesn't really make a whole lot of sense without the context.

The point is, adding to the endings could potentially make them into satisfying ones, but holding onto the expectation that they're going to create a completely new ending or rewrite an entire section of what already exists in the game is a little unrealistic.

All they really can do at this point is add to it.   Yeah, I suppose it's possible to do that, but it's still a bit unrealistic.

TBME does need to define exactly where the line is that they're holding.    What exactly will satisfy them, and what will they be willing to compromise on?

Personally, I just want the quality of the endings to match up with the quality of the rest of the game.   I think that expanding upon them can do that.

[Farbautisonn]

Does it really matter?

Unless the endings get a complete revamp, something I see as highly unlikely, then there really isnt much point in buying DLC. A half cooked ending DLC akin to "witch hunt" will most likely be the outcome of this. At the most. Ofcourse they will tote it as being a victory, but the fans that were discontent with the endings will just bleed away. A number wont buy the DLC but would rather wait till some ingenious soul knits together an ending that makes sense by way of modding.

The ME franchise is ruined for alot of people, and that leaves only "new customers" for any ME4 title. The people who didnt like "lots of speculation" with this game will likely not dare another trilogy.... because why pay to feel like an ass just like this time?

Now a decent ending expansion with "awakening" lenght could salvage something. Restore some faith with biowares traditional fanbase. But Its not going to happen. Too many resources, too much effort for a product thats allready gutshot and has a black could hanging over it.

Instead they will likely try to pool their resources and try to win back some traditionalists wiht DA3. That wont work either because DA3 will be competing with "Witcher" and whatever Bethsoft or any other RPG indie producer can whip up. And DA3 will come under intense scrutiny. So much so that a rival releasing DLC or a finished expansion/product will have a free ride compared to a Bioware title.

Its not really looking good.

[Han Shot First]

By 'more content' I hope they mean more choices in the end game, some of which are a lot more satisfying. If not, I'm not interested in any DLC content. With the existing endings a story expansion in say, Omega, would be entirely pointless.

[Eralrik]

I myself have come to a conclusion that ME3 is all just a dream and it hasn't been made yet, yes I'm in denile! But I started a new run with ME1 and gonna replay ME2 and consider the multiplayer of ME3 a part of ME2 and work off the illusion that the Reapers are having a heck of a time getting back into our galaxy.

[mupp3tz]

I'm not happy with "clarification," as there are a lot of things I have a problem with in regards to the ending... but, I'm willing to give Bioware the benefit of the doubt. The rest of ME3 showed me that they are fully capable of crafting an emotional and terrific story, so I hope that this was simply just a huge misunderstanding or mistake.

[chengthao]

i don't like god-child . . . . at least change him

[Shelled]

This is Alliance news broadcaster Shelled. This just in, new endings Purple, Orange, and Brown will be added into the game and will attempt to pour more salt in an already salty wound. Back to you bob.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Korusus wrote...

You can't put the genie back in the bottle. Pandora's box has already been opened. It's such an unfortunate situation and was completely avoidable had they approached the situation the right way. The ending was handled badly and wasn't planned until the very last months of development despite the series always having been a trilogy (thank you Final Hours app)...then you have Casey Hudson ABC. The response to the outcry against the endings was handled badly...the Jessica Chobot situation was handled badly...the Day 1 DLC situation was handled badly...It's really amazing to watch.

Yep. Not to say some portions of the fan base haven't been complicit in this.

The lack of discourse is the actual problem. If BioWare just came out and explained (which they no doubt can't...unless they want to be strangled by their publisher) what went so terribly wrong during development that caused them to deliver the exact opposite of what they said they would, the sh*tstorm would be much more forgiving. As it is, they first tried to dismiss the complaints by letting third-party spin doctors insult and shame the fanbase. Then, when that didn't work, they claimed they were happy with the product because they achieved their "artistic" vision. When that failed to stand up to scrutiny (and big names like Forbes joined in the criticism), we got the "we're listening." But nothing has happened since then.

I imagine that, more than anything, has pissed quite a few people off. They're on shaky ground at PAX. Whatever they reveal will quite likely still incur a cat 5 sh*tstorm simply because of this.

[Cadence of the Planes]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Why would they change it? Bioware's all about pandering to minorities lately.

You implying that those who wish to change the ending outnumber those who wish to extend it doesn't actually make it fact. Nice try though. 

[gadenp]

I have given up. All I know if that Bioware does not fix the ending, it will only damage my already vastly changed perspective of Bioware and any future BW games and KOTOR. In fact reading comments like this, is like putting salt on the wound inflicted by ME3.

In fact, after ME3, I let me KOTOR subscription lap just because of the frustration generated by ME3 ending. Now I find that I can live without KOTOR. No need to re-subscribe for any reason. In fact more reasons not too.

Also no longer feel the need to support Bioware. Gratz Bioware for transforming me from a loyal fan to a jaded burned customer.

Modifié par gadenp, 03 avril 2012 - 11:08 .

[Aurica]

This is the final nail in the coffin... From now onwards, I will not buy any BW games until it hits the bargain bins and no more pre orders or DLC.

I suggest those who do not like the direction BW is taking to vote with their wallets instead of just posting online.   Feedback has been given and clearly they or EA does not care one bit at all.

Modifié par Aurica, 03 avril 2012 - 11:08 .

[xiaoassassin]

THIS HURTS ME