RiGoRmOrTiS_UK wrote...
However the final nail in the coffin of indoctrination theory will be PAX. The only way I believe it's true is if they show polished footage of the final ending clearly demonstrating in was indoctrination. That way we know they planned it all along as they wouldn't have had time to produce the content that quickly after the fact. and by polished I mean actual in game cut-scenes with the original voice actors throughout...
QFT... The only way Indoc theory was planned all along IMHO. Sure it could TURN OUT to be true, due to Bioware simply waiting this out, seeing the writing by posters for themselves then going AD HOC and slapping something together to please the most fans.
This isn't to say it wouldn't work... it would, it's a fairly well thought out idea... by users of the forum and elsewhere.
Bioware has stated Javik was done after the entire game was produced already, and all ~620mb of his expansion was day one DLC.
One would think the ENDING of the ENTIRE SERIES, not just this game, would be far higher up on the priority list than day one Javik content.
Here is my entire discussion (thread) regarding how we tell if it was PLANNED all along, or if Bioware has used all this deflection time to AD HOC the ending to please the most people:
IT theorists will you discuss the following possibility:
That IT theory might be a self-fulfilling prophecy rather than the intended ending DLC all along…
To me it seems for future ending DLC almost the only way for Bioware to go now is indoctrination... as it will salvage the largest portion of their fan-base.
What choice do they have at this point considering it is the only theory that can save a fair amount of their fan-base (make them ‘happy’) as it's the preeminent "pro-ending" theory out there? In other words it just makes pure business sense to say:
“Ok, the biggest theory out there is indoctrination, let’s go with that… as it will placate the largest percentage of the fan base.”
The major telling feature(s) of if this was planned, v. self-fulfilling prophecy are to me:
1) How SOON it is released (for a few reasons)?
2) How polished it is?
3) Size of (and actual) content?
To me (this going on the better part of a month without the "true" ending according to IT) really makes me feel like this wasn't fully planned (or if it was, the backlash certainly wasn't expected to be this heavy).
This whole issue has created about as much hoopla as it is going to (if this was their master plan)? Media outlets everywhere have been covering it for some time now, thread counts, and post counts are insane, youtube videos galore have been made, FB pages, twitter shenanigans, website discussions on the topic are at critical mass, Meme’s have taken hold across the net, heroes (M. Shields) have been born, and even tasty pastry has been dispensed...
1) If they had this all set-up for some time, and built it into ME3, one would expect to see DLC for this theory VERY soon IMHO... (heck, they had time for Javik to be day one DLC and they claimed he was created "after" the main game had been completed)... why wouldn't this content be ready if it was intertwined inextricably with the story line? One would think they would also want a piece to their game that is of some importance: the true ending to be out ASAP. To me it seems like the sooner, the better (ie: yesterday) before people sell it back, trade it, start playing other games etc.
2) How polished it is... obviously directly related to how rushed it is, generally games that have been rushed have issues... (Not going down that easy road with ME3 as is considering it’s technical issues). Bottom line is, this ending should look polished, have the real ME Universe aura about it without glitches and such (relatively few).
3) If this has been indeed planned since the beginning of the game, or at least into development of the game... it seems like the size of this should be considerable (I'd say well over a GB). I say this because if Javik's file was 600+ some odd mb for a mission (main chunk), and small ancillary tidbits for the rest of the game.
To me the "true" ending of the game seems a bit more important than Javik and his mission + ancillary items, so one would think that there would be some substantial size to the file and content they had been working on for awhile to really make the ending (whatever style it may be) blow us out of the proverbial water here.
It the ending takes a fair amount longer than a month or so and simply goes:
"Yup, indoctrination, tiny final boss mission/fight (insert who you think here)... with choices sown into it and epilogue on a small scale to round things up."
Then this was likely NOT PLANNED and they simply waited to placate the largest numbers of fans they could... based off forum response and we all did the writing/planning for them, and they simply rushed out what they could getting feedback.
Now conversely, if this comes out, say within a month of release (6th) –or close to it-, (which is insanely quick for DLC), but this is the "true game ending" looks as polished (or more polished) than the rest of the game... and the content includes intricate details on how (most every choice mattered) as well as an explanation of when/where indoctrination started: Was it our very first encounter with Sovereign in ME1 or the beacon, or is it the Tantalus Drive Core or something that was part reaper tech from ME2 that TIM placed in there, was it at the base with Miranda’s father etc… simply put: explain.
AKA: We should see - many of our plot points and choices diverge into dozens, or hundreds of endings that are vastly different on a spectrum where virtually everything is different for full paragon and renegade options, not to mention continued HUGE space battle between the reapers v. our allies, some serious dialogue and plot choices to wrap things up and explain things, an exceptional epilogue or tie-up cinematic at the end of exactly what has happened with a few hours a game play time IMHO etc.
Now of course as a disclaimer: I have already in another thread explained my distaste for the “non-ending” IT/fighting indoc ending, as we essentially have an unfinished game that I paid $80 for IMHO… even the twitter account apparently said the game we all received doesn’t make sense yet.
THIS ISN’T to say, however, that I don’t believe it may be the “true” ending we get… and I would be happier (if free) than if they simply try to explain the plot holes. The more I look at it, the more I think it’s the best/only way to go, though that doesn’t make me happy about the current “non-ending” “ending” we got.
My whole point with this thread is NOT TO debate whether you believe in the ending or not, or whether it makes sense or not, or proof of it or not (right now), but simply to discuss the idea that: It’s possible that Bioware has simply waited to see the ending idea the fans would like most, and run with it and rush that out… simply to placate most fans, and it is thus a self-fulfilling prophecy (Not saying this is a bad thing by any means), but it would tend to say if criteria above aren't met it might not have been as planned as IT believers all think (where again, I am starting to come around to see this).
BTW: using term self-fulfilling prophecy loosely here.
Modifié par AIR MOORE, 04 avril 2012 - 06:33 .
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it's small in comparison to the ending which is HUGE.
