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[InsaneAzrael]

Zealotry and Mad all up in this thread.

[AtlasMickey]

Mystiq6 wrote...

AtlasMickey wrote...

Because it guts a good story.

This offends me almost as much as the ending does. The story was good, I'll give you that but the ending was most certainly not. There are so many pieces on why it's a bad ending. Here are a few:

http://www.themetaga...oblem-with.html
http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/


The Indoctriation Theory still has some holes. After hearing a slightly different idea, I'm more inclined to believe that one. It said that there was no indoctrination, it was simply a nightmare Shepard was having about his worst fears.

You're offended by my saying the ending was good.

Let it be known, to all who are offended by the fact that I actually like Mass Effect 3, beginning to end, and choose to express my love for this game here, in the fan forum, that I will not have one ounce of sympathy for you. Perhaps in another venue, I would. The ending requires intellectualizing about difficult topics, which I've personally grappled with for years, to significant amounts of fear and stress over my future. To what extent do I want technology to change my life? To what extent will I simply have no other choice? Will I someday have to make a decision to go on living as mostly synthetic or choose death?  Somewhere else I would be very accepting and genteel, offering to have a calm discussion over mocha or something.

But not here. This place is reserved for fans, not people who are offended by the game. Some people are offended by the game's same sex relationships. This place isn't for them. It's for people who are willing to accept the game as told and think through it, which so many of you are not. You don't belong here and BioWare should listen to you only to the extent they realize you've stopped listening to them.

[EugeneBi]

Nassegris wrote...

I don’t know whether the Indoctrination theory is true or not. Honestly, I don’t want to read through 1k pages and counting, and sift through youtube videos and posts all over the forums just to decide whether the company I used to love just writes poor endings, or writes poor non-endings in an effort to squeeze more money out of me.

Either alternative is just as bad. No, actually, I will be more disappointed if the theory is true. Talk about an end to trusting your game developer – suddenly you can’t even expect for there to be complete endings to the games you buy, because they might throw in a “it was all a dream! Buy DLC for the real thing!” if you want conclusion for the story you loved.

So – not trying to de-merit the theory itself. More power to you if that’s what you want to be doing. But I wish the supporters would stop lauding it as a genius move on Bioware’s part and calling people who are genuinely upset over the endings – suckers. If IT is true and we let them get away with it with applause – it’s a bigger blow to gaming as art than changing the ending ever would have been.

So – undecided on IT. Only decided that if it’s true, Bioware will lose every shred of respect I ever had for them.

Yes! If IT turns out to be true, I won't buy any BioWare game sooner that a couple of months after release. I doubt they want that. If it doesn't - I may shrug off lousy ending: I personally not very upset about it and the whole game was a good experience.

[Tov01]

kilgorek wrote...

Sainta117 wrote...

Too many moving parts. Bioware is not the kind of studio that would do something this sneaky and subversive. They just screwed the pooch. It happens.

Wrong! Wrong, this **** doesn't just happen. Shepard should be ****in' dead now, my friend! We just witnessed indoctrination, and I want you to ****ing acknowledge it!

You need to calm down. Yelling at people like this isn't going to convince anybody.

[I am KROGAN]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

It's the classic debate between religieus people, and atheists.

The facts point towards Indoc not being true. It was never Bioware's intention for Shep to be indoctrinated. That is the TRUTH.

However, like religious people, you don't care about the truth. You want the subjective experience, and your subjective experience prefers you to have Indoc. It's not true, but you want it to be.

So, whatever arguments you have in favor if Indoc? On the big heap, because they do not matter.

Indoc still isn't true.

Actual idiot or successful troll, you decide!

[Skull Bearer]

I'm sympathetic to IT, I use it my own headcanon, but unfortunately... Hanlon's Razor

http://en.wikipedia..../Hanlon's_razor

[ean0611]

Quick question: Did NO ONE notice that the mass relay explosion on the galaxy map DID NOT start at the local cluster? It starts at the viper nebula.

I will grant that Bioware could have made a mistake, but do you really think they screwed up that detail in the cinematic?

[kilgorek]

Tov01 wrote...

kilgorek wrote...

Sainta117 wrote...

Too many moving parts. Bioware is not the kind of studio that would do something this sneaky and subversive. They just screwed the pooch. It happens.

Wrong! Wrong, this **** doesn't just happen. Shepard should be ****in' dead now, my friend! We just witnessed indoctrination, and I want you to ****ing acknowledge it!

You need to calm down. Yelling at people like this isn't going to convince anybody.

It was a quote from Pulp Fiction. I thought that was obvious.

In other words, I was joking.

[Aargh12]

ean0611 wrote...
I will grant that Bioware could have made a mistake, but do you really think they screwed up that detail in the cinematic?

Watch any movie, TV series or a game - mistakes happen a lot. And create a lot of speculation.
For example, in first season of LOST in pilot episode there was a scene with exloding engine of the plane. Fans were watching this scene in slow mo and noticed black smoke that hit the engine.
If you watched this series then you know that black smoke is very important "character" in the series.

And it's appearance in that scene was actually CGI error.
http://images1.wikia...e_Explosion.gif

Also - consider Mass Effect 2. Do you remember the fight with Occulus on Normandy? Miranda could magically appear in cocpit even when you took her to the loading bay.

Anyway, when you start making ending in November and game is slowly reaching certification, you need to rush. And the ending sequence (starting from Earth) was clearly rushed. And that's why I don't believe in indoctrination theory. It simply doesn't add up with the evidence outside of the game.

Modifié par Aargh12, 05 avril 2012 - 06:49 .

[ean0611]

Aargh12 wrote...

ean0611 wrote...
I will grant that Bioware could have made a mistake, but do you really think they screwed up that detail in the cinematic?

Watch any movie, TV series or a game - mistakes happen a lot. And create a lot of speculation.
For example, in first season of LOST in pilot episode there was a scene with exloding engine of the plane. Fans were watching this scene in slow mo and noticed black smoke that hit the engine.
If you watched this series then you know that black smoke is very important "character" in the series.

And it's appearance in that scene was actually CGI error.
http://images1.wikia...e_Explosion.gif

Also - consider Mass Effect 2. Do you remember the fight with Occulus on Normandy? Miranda could magically appear in cocpit even when you took her to the loading bay.

Anyway, when you start making ending in November and game is slowly reaching certification, you need to rush. And the ending sequence (starting from Earth) was clearly rushed. And that's why I don't believe in indoctrination theory. It simply doesn't add up with the evidence outside of the game.

KOTOR 2 felt rushed. ME3 did not. It did feel odd and weird at the end, but not rushed. Rushed results in game breakign bugs. For instance, Harry Potter years 1-4 has game breaking bugs in it that stop you from getting all bricks. ME3 has no such bugs that I know about. 

I highlight the mass relay explosion, because it's one of many clues, that individually, could be a mistake. However, in sum, I doubt that a peer reviewed team let that slip.

EDIT: Also, the source, if the explosion was random, it could have come from anywhere in the galaxy. What's the probability that not only did they pick the wrong cluster, but they picked the cluster from Mass Effect Arrival, where object Rho was found? Yes, this could be all mistake cooincendces, but while you highlight a glitch in ME2, those are very rare. So we are going to assume that Bioware went from nearly glitch free and completly consistent to off the rails? I don't buy that.

Modifié par ean0611, 05 avril 2012 - 11:54 .