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[PaperAlien]

Good idea in terms of not wrongly punishing innocent players, bad idea in terms of efficiency. leech comes, shoots a random guy once, gets points for assist, afks for the rest of the game. Increasing the minimum points would cause a LOT of debate as to just how many points a non-leecher would at least get, accounting for all skill levels.
Any opinions on my idea, btw?

Modifié par PaperAlien, 04 avril 2012 - 12:15 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Kitty Fae wrote...

Aaperture wrote...

Creston918 wrote...

The best thing to do to kill leechers is to threshold the rewards. If you don't score at least 20000XP in Bronze, you don't get anything. 40000 for Silver and 60000 for Gold.

I played several Bronze and Silver yesterday while watching TV, and I consistently scored more than that (even though I always came in last in my team), because I was still playing.

A leecher will never get that much XP if he leeches.

This.

Woah woah there. Bad idea.

Not even talking about players who arn't as good, how about players who are fore-going points to be more useful?

For one thing, i can think of at least one adept co-op playstyle that would make a person an MVP, while scoring low points - Adept spamming warp, while someone else throws.

That and I know yesterday when I was in a server with someone utilizing the "one-hit kil" cheat, I didn't have as many points as I normally would due to a)Not having a clue why the enemies were gone and Not wanting to participate much in the slaughter.  I also played the asari adept for the first time yesterday and spent most of the time using stasis. 

[Aaperture]

Kitty Fae wrote...

Aaperture wrote...

Creston918 wrote...

The best thing to do to kill leechers is to threshold the rewards. If you don't score at least 20000XP in Bronze, you don't get anything. 40000 for Silver and 60000 for Gold.

I played several Bronze and Silver yesterday while watching TV, and I consistently scored more than that (even though I always came in last in my team), because I was still playing.

A leecher will never get that much XP if he leeches.

This.

Woah woah there. Bad idea.

Not even talking about players who arn't as good, how about players who are fore-going points to be more useful?

For one thing, i can think of at least one adept co-op playstyle that would make a person an MVP, while scoring low points - Adept spamming warp, while someone else throws.

Even if one person was the designated warper, and the other was the designated thrower (which isn't even practical, especially on the lower difficulties), both would still vastly out-do these bare-minimum scores.

I've seen extremely terrible players get higher scores than those.

Heck, after completeing wave 10 you get a free ~10k points depending on your difficulty and if you chose random location and enemy. You also get free points after completing the objective waves. And you get even more free points if everyone survives 3 (1000), 5(2500) or 10(5000) waves, assuming the leecher chose a good hiding spot.

Modifié par Aaperture, 04 avril 2012 - 12:32 .

[MrCorvin]

EG NeoMorph wrote...

I would suggest reward distribution based on activity. The more you kill/assist, the bigger portion of the reward you get. This would not only encourage people to stop AFKing, but encourage people to fight harder and die less. Might get rid of the annoying cocky vanguards.

My only issue with this is, well.

I suck.

I barely get the assist award. To be honest I play the game for the story and I tend to play on the casual mode. The difficulty for even Bronze is alot higher then I am normally use to. I'm lucky if I get assists most of the time. Basing it off of activity would mean I really wouldn't be able to do squat.

Thankfully I just maxed out Datapad so I might not need Multiplayer anymore.

[Talikurppa]

Had today on gold credit leecher, ofc i put the name back of my mind. But on gold when assuming people use buffs ,its very annoying to get leechers. Even if we got no kick option, as clearly it could be abused kick people at wave 9 and invite friends to get wave 10 credits. We should get option to vote remake or something without losing our buffs. Cause for example one in my team had all of the 3 buffs lvl 3 used, so i had to suck it up and finish the game with leecher among us.

PC really needs at least console or something so we can chat by typing, as on PC mic usage is rare.

Modifié par Talikurppa, 04 avril 2012 - 01:25 .

[vGriMz]

Something could be implemented like 3 Players have to vote to "restart game" and it will restart. Then there will be a 20 Seconds timer in which you have to accept it, if the vote is passed. If the person is not there, he will be kicked.

[We Tigers]

A movement timer would be easy to defeat on console. With XBox wireless controllers, you can be in the kitchen making dinner, and just tap the analog stick every 2 or 3 minutes. Those things have crazy range.

[Aaperture]

An in-game kick option wouldn't be that bad. Make it so all 3 participating players have to vote for it to pass. Maybe make it so you can only vote to kick either of the two least scoring players.

[Frunchy]

Leechers are annoying, but is there anyway to identify them in the lobby before the game starts? Like has anyone noticed if they are always ready? Or something to that effect.

I have noticed a few leechers but the ones I have run into dont start leeching until wave 3 or so. What I have noticed in the last week is that almost every other silver game I play after wave 4 I check the scoreboard and one person has left (xbox). Dont see how it could be a DC problem if it happens this often.

Side note: I have only reported 1 person before ME3 (xbox), ever since I started playing the MP I've reported 20 or more as "Avoid this Player". What does that tell you? 

Modifié par Frunchy, 04 avril 2012 - 02:48 .

[kevchy]

Same here. I've started to see more and more leechers each day.

And in most cases, they are often the hosts.

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

Sometimes I need the toilet. Sometimes, my son wakes up. As new players cannot join games already in progress unless they manually go down their recent players/friends list - If I have already started a match and worked for my points and XP so far, and intend to return to help, then surely it is better to hide my character somewhere and return when I can?

When the game first came out my one year old was very ill, and quite a few of my matches were interrupted during night-times. Every time I quit I lost EVERYTHING. Other people shouldnt lose out if you have to go somewhere though, so I use my judgement wether or not to quit - I wouldnt do this on gold or silver if I can help it.

[OneDrunkMonk]

Points should be given out based on players actually doing something. Even if that is just softening up enemies or drawing fire away from other squad members. If you just crouch in a corner AFK you should get zero.

[Chrillze]

I leech all the time, problem officer?

[Pyrceval78]

PLayed two games this morning, both had leechers in them.

[erikage]

Leaching shouldn't be an issue on Silver. You can easily do those with 3 players. If you're playing on Gold that's an issue but that isn't even common at all based off of level recommended on Gold. They usually get kicked before a match even starts.

Also sometimes people end up having things to do in the middle of the match hence a sudden inactivity and if it's in a later round they don't just want to back out and lose their experience points and time over nothing.

My favorite though is the trolling when you know the player is there running around but not firing a single shot. I get kicks out of that. lol.

[Nelzeben]

I don't understand what the problem with vote-kicking would be. If all three players have to agree to kicking the fourth, that should solve the problem, I'd think?

People keep bringing up trolls, but what are the chances of finding yourself in a match with three players who will kick the fourth just "because"?

[Highlord Heian]

Kosmiker wrote...

worst score at the end of the mission gets nothing. That's my solution.

Well this will certainly encourage kill-whoring and discourage people from taking a support role. Why revive your teammate, he'll get points and might pass you? Why go after the objective, you want to get those kills to pump your score up.

And that is a solution that must come from somebody who obviously has never played gold.

I personally think that all-around rewards for credits should be much lower, but you should be rewarded in credits for in-game medals - 20 headshots, 5 grabs, etc. So while the baseline reward goes down, your specific reward will go up depending on your performance. I would love to get more credits for having carried a team, or being on the ball with revives and objectives.

Modifié par Highlord Heian, 04 avril 2012 - 03:48 .

[InfamousResult]

I love when people come onto the forum and admit to cheating- because then I can use the handy "report this post" function. And their forum account is linked to their game account, and that is wonderful.

[Mongyface]

Nelzeben wrote...

I don't understand what the problem with vote-kicking would be. If all three players have to agree to kicking the fourth, that should solve the problem, I'd think?

People keep bringing up trolls, but what are the chances of finding yourself in a match with three players who will kick the fourth just "because"?

There is a possible motive to invite a friend so that they get the wave 10 credits. But agreed, it is a small-ish chance.

[Mazandus]

Or, BW could just reward the exp and credits immediately after the wave, instead of after the match. Sure that might create more emergent **** behavior like everyone leaving after wave 3 on gold, but the current 30 mins on average (less if you are good) for a game is a painful investment when the host leaves in wave 8 because he's butthurt that he keeps dying, or random leech hides in the corner in firebase white and goes afk, leaving the people playing the game with zero tools to combat him. Simply leaving the game, he wins. He'll just find some other ****s to leech off.

[Highlord Heian]

Chrillze wrote...

I leech all the time, problem officer?

Nope, your forum account is linked with your game account, and the report button is right there.

No problem at all, thanks for tying your own noose.

[Faded_Jeans]

Howabout you don't get a share in the loot if you don't earn at least one badge?

[Highlord Heian]

Mongyface wrote...

Nelzeben wrote...

I don't understand what the problem with vote-kicking would be. If all three players have to agree to kicking the fourth, that should solve the problem, I'd think?

People keep bringing up trolls, but what are the chances of finding yourself in a match with three players who will kick the fourth just "because"?

There is a possible motive to invite a friend so that they get the wave 10 credits. But agreed, it is a small-ish chance.

I'd rather risk having to deal with 3 trolls instead of just 1. If the system disabled invites after a kick and just filled the spot from Queue, that would be ideal. I've been put into games late, wave 7 or 8, but I've never had anyone come into a game when we're down a person.

[Highlord Heian]

Faded_Jeans wrote...

Howabout you don't get a share in the loot if you don't earn at least one badge?

One badge is easy. One gold badge is harder.

[InfamousResult]

One badge is easy. One gold badge is harder.

I have never- NEVER- seen a person play a game of Gold without getting at least one badge. I came in at Wave 10 once, because my XBox Live kicked me off and I had to get invited back- and I was still able to get my 5 Melee Kills and 10 Headshots before game's end.

If you can't get a single badge when you play from the beginning of the game, there is something ridiculously wrong with you.

Mind you, I'm not supporting the idea, but I am saying, getting a single gold badge is not hard. At least not unless you SHOULD be playing on Bronze and you keep getting killed before you can earn a badge- in which case, get off Gold.