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[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Yes, this is a problem. All they need to do though is add a way to kick, after the game has started.

Something as simple as bringing up the menu and being able to highlight a player on the scoreboard and then press spacebar/A button (lol spacebar/A button for more functions) to bring up a list of options, such as votekick, mute player, and anything else that's useful.

[Highlord Heian]

InfamousResult wrote...

One badge is easy. One gold badge is harder.

I have never- NEVER- seen a person play a game of Gold without getting at least one badge. I came in at Wave 10 once, because my XBox Live kicked me off and I had to get invited back- and I was still able to get my 5 Melee Kills and 10 Headshots before game's end.

If you can't get a single badge when you play from the beginning of the game, there is something ridiculously wrong with you.

Mind you, I'm not supporting the idea, but I am saying, getting a single gold badge is not hard. At least not unless you SHOULD be playing on Bronze and you keep getting killed before you can earn a badge- in which case, get off Gold.

Hate to stop your inane tirade there, but I don't think you know what a "gold badge" is.

1 grab - bronze badge
3 grabs - silver badge
5 grab - gold badge

If you don't get that, there is something ridiculously wrong with you.

[InfamousResult]

"gold badge"

Maybe next time you should specify- are you suggesting that, instead of only granting credits when they have at least one badge, that they should only grant credits when they have at least one gold badge?

[Faded_Jeans]

InfamousResult wrote...

"gold badge"

Maybe next time you should specify- are you suggesting that, instead of only granting credits when they have at least one badge, that they should only grant credits when they have at least one gold badge?

Faded_Jeans wrote...

Howabout you don't get a share in the loot if you don't earn at least one badge?

 

I would put it at one badge.  That should be a very low and resonable bar, and still pressure the sleeper bots to do something intelligent.  Timers can be defeated by scripts.  Actually earning a few assists will need a human.

[Highlord Heian]

InfamousResult wrote...

"gold badge"

Maybe next time you should specify- are you suggesting that, instead of only granting credits when they have at least one badge, that they should only grant credits when they have at least one gold badge?

How can I be more specific? It's a badge, and the color of the badge is gold.

It could be that you just made a stupid assumption and then followed it up with a stupid rant.

[Goaliebot]

Encountered my first AFK player today, in Bronze of all places. We didn't mind except on a Hack wave my Krogan backed into a Phantom (one-shotted) and the weaker of the other two went down, leaving only one guy in the hack fighting off everything. Other dude was up in the control tower area crouched and AFK.

Finally all three of us are down and he's the only one left, so all three of us are watching his feed. And he's not there - just his unmanned Salarian hiding as the minutes ticked by. A Phantom found him but she got herself stuck behind a wall partition so couldn't kill him. Finally an Altas made it's way up there and we got to see it waste him.

Whee.

Ah well, I mostly blame myself for backing into the Phantom. We could have carried leecher dude otherwise.

[Highlord Heian]

Goaliebot wrote...

Encountered my first AFK player today, in Bronze of all places. We didn't mind except on a Hack wave my Krogan backed into a Phantom (one-shotted) and the weaker of the other two went down, leaving only one guy in the hack fighting off everything. Other dude was up in the control tower area crouched and AFK.

Finally all three of us are down and he's the only one left, so all three of us are watching his feed. And he's not there - just his unmanned Salarian hiding as the minutes ticked by. A Phantom found him but she got herself stuck behind a wall partition so couldn't kill him. Finally an Altas made it's way up there and we got to see it waste him.

Whee.

Ah well, I mostly blame myself for backing into the Phantom. We could have carried leecher dude otherwise.

Carrying a leecher only encourages their behavior. If you leave, they're stuck in a game alone, getting nothing. I never make the attempt to carry a leecher, because that's exactly what they need you to do.

[InfamousResult]

How can I be more specific? It's a badge, and the color of the badge is gold.

Because you weren't actually saying anything. He made a suggestion, and he said "badge"- all you did was say "hurr durr, a badge is easy, a gold badge isn't". AND..? What are you trying to suggest?

[Geek]

My solution would be any player that gets zero points in a wave gets no xp or credits for that wave. Anybody who is at least trying can score a single point and get credit, and someone afk would have to be active more frequently instead of just starting and coming back at the end of the game. Still not a perfect solution as they may only be participating in the objective rounds but maybe they would at least participate in the objective rounds.

[Chardonney]

We had one on silver today, firebase white and reapers. It was a drell adept with widow and he kept himself up there in the central junction above the landing pad. He also had his mic on and sounded like a real jerk. Others in the team were me (infiltrator), my friend (engineer) and a third playing with krogan (soldier). We wanted him out but the rest of us were doing such a good teamwork, that we ignored him and didn't leave.

The game was actually quite funny too, since this dude kept saying; "You're nothing without me!" and then in the next second got himself killed by some weaker enemy. It was hilarious and seriously cracked me up. He actually died quite a lot and we never even tried to revive him. In the end - after a lot of garbage from him - it was very satisfying to see him hanging in a banshee's grasp (still up there in central junction) , while the rest of us were being picked up by the shuttle. I feel no remorse over that one.

Modifié par Chardonney, 04 avril 2012 - 05:38 .

[Quixal]

Honestly, I would rather leave things the way they are than set some bar for those who want to leech to overcome and then do nothing. At least with a full leecher you can notice the problem sooner and just leave the match.

Most of the (sane) solutions put forward so far would just encourage someone to put forth a bit of effort before going afk or only come back for certain events like the money rounds.

[DiebytheSword]

Encountered a few as of late, I sooooo appreciate losing my consumable equipment because everyone quits.

I would love to have a mid match kick, and a corresponding join game in progress so we can get that slot filled.

[noxpanda]

Ive come across quite a few leechers over the past few days, its really annoying, though i must admit i do greatly enjoy watching them being insta killed. It makes it nearly impossible to complete a gold match though, i do wish there was at least a rating system on the pc or.... something.

[Rhaina]

As much as an in match kick system would be nice, the ability to abuse/troll people with it makes it more problematic.

I hate afk ppl in my games as much as many others, but typically you should notice someone afk rather quickly, if you leave you're out what, 10 minutes of time? It really isn't that big of a deal, if it is then...

Also frankly with an in match kick system, I would kick people who can't pull their own weight.

Modifié par Rhaina, 04 avril 2012 - 06:00 .

[Highlord Heian]

InfamousResult wrote...

How can I be more specific? It's a badge, and the color of the badge is gold.

Because you weren't actually saying anything. He made a suggestion, and he said "badge"- all you did was say "hurr durr, a badge is easy, a gold badge isn't". AND..? What are you trying to suggest?

And you suggested that I meant a badge in gold difficulty, and went into a big stupid rant about it, and made an ass of yourself. What are you suggesting? I made this thread, what do you think I'm suggesting? Is it somehow a vague conversation that doesn't have the clear direction of finding a way to eliminate leechers?

You can try to foolishly draw your own conclusions about what I said, but I only said that any badge would be too easy, and that higher badge tiers were not. If that simple sentence confused you, I'll pretend to hide my lack of surprise for your sake.

[spudspot]

Now I know what you're talking about. This seriously sucks...

[Highlord Heian]

Rhaina wrote...

As much as an in match kick system would be nice, the ability to abuse/troll people with it makes it more problematic.

I hate afk ppl in my games as much as many others, but typically you should notice someone afk rather quickly, if you leave you're out what, 10 minutes of time? It really isn't that big of a deal, if it is then...

Also frankly with an in match kick system, I would kick people who can't pull their own weight.

First of all, you'd have to be matched with three people who are willing to try and kick you. Which, considering the odds of that versus getting one person who's simply trying to get free XP and credits, is considerably less prevalent.

And what is wrong with kicking people who don't pull their weight? I would love to eliminate people who don't help on objectives, people who are just half-assing their way through, people spamming shockwave in front of the sniper. A kick feature would be a solution to such much of the useless trolling that internet anonymity gives these social rejects the capacity to do without being slapped in the mouth.

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Rhaina wrote...

As much as an in match kick system would be nice, the ability to abuse/troll people with it makes it more problematic.

I hate afk ppl in my games as much as many others, but typically you should notice someone afk rather quickly, if you leave you're out what, 10 minutes of time? It really isn't that big of a deal, if it is then...

Also frankly with an in match kick system, I would kick people who can't pull their own weight.

People, myself included, don't want to leave games because they lose their consumables.

An in-game votekick is practically no different to the votekick in the lobby. The possibility of it being abused is barely any higher, to be honest. Very rarely would all 3 players actually votekick an innocent player, unless they are afk-leeching, are annoying/trolling, or are not good enough, which are all perfectly fine reasons for placing a votekick.

Many other games have votekick system and while none are 100% perfect, they're better than what is currently available in ME3.

[Rhazesx]

I had an afker in my match I hosted last night. He was at 0 after wave 3 so we stood on top of him till he started playing. I slacked off the rest of the game following him around until wave 10 and then I left the match I was the host I hope it really pissed the guy off.

[Mad Pig]

If i notice someone is afk leeching, i stop playing too , cuz i'll not going to farm for anyone.

[RonnyB]

I wish there were a way to name and shame at least. Had a guy just ruin a gold match by doing this.

[coinop25]

Just confirming one more Xbox player who has seen a leecher (just one, yesterday). Took us a few waves to realize the guy was just hiding, and by then, we didn't feel like quitting. Got to wave 11 (failed extraction) and the guy had zero points still.

There are some creative solutions proposed here (like requiring intermittent input or risk a kick). Anything involving score-based gatekeeping would be terribly unwise, though. Never mind the unfairness of that toward less skilled players (though I think that it would be terribly unfair and jackassy); it simply wouldn't work as intended. You simply do not get nearly as many points for assists and revivals as you get for damage, so sooner or later you're going to accidentally auto-kick the adept/sentinel who's focusing on setting up detonations, or the engineer who's focusing on drawing enemy fire, or the infiltrator who is focusing on revivals and objectives. The scoreboard only shows who hit the hardest, not who did the most. You'll only be screwing yourself over by losing these people.

[ElectricBlaze1]

afk leechers = bad rep for them =p

[Heather Cline]

That happened last night with one of my xbox friends. At first she was steal killing from me and every other person in the game. I sent her a message via xbox live saying that if she didn't like people doing it to her she shouldn't do it to her friends. So next match she just went and huddled in a corner only helping out to revive someone if they died close enough to her. To top it all off she was the one hosting the match which meant if me and the only other person in that match kicked her we'd have to restart the current wave.

Now I don't know what was going through her mind but leeching is not cool from friends or random groups. 

Modifié par Heather Cline, 04 avril 2012 - 06:59 .