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[Rhaina]

Getting 2 other people to kick someone is not a difficult task.  Even when they are random players.  If you believe it to be, thats fine and all, but that doesn't mean your belief is fact.
 

[NSGM]

There is a somewhat simpler solution that many players use and it would be encouraged by Bioware beefing up ME3 and Origin's social functions (text chat, etc)

Play w/ friends you know.

- Before someone says "Hey I don't know anyone!", I'm quite sure that if you're a reasonable person you can find 3 other people that suit your playstyle within a few days of playing the game. After that, when you're short a player or two bring a PUG in and half the time you'll get someone decent.

All of this assumes you communicate well and aren't a donkey's behind, but it works as a solution to afk'ers for me. Granted, it would be nice to meet more people w/out the danger of a afk'er dropping in.

[InfamousResult]

but I only said that any badge would be too easy

Except you didn't say that until just now.
Congratulations- you just explained yourself. That wasn't so hard, was it?

[Luigitornado]

There has to be a better solution than being able to vote kick.

People will ve vote kicked for just about everything.

[WestLakeDragon]

I've actually yet to get a leecher on Xbox, is it just higher on PC/PS3? Or am I a statistical outlier?

[InfamousResult]

WestLakeDragon wrote...

I've actually yet to get a leecher on Xbox, is it just higher on PC/PS3? Or am I a statistical outlier?

To be honest, I haven't run into any leechers yet either, and I'm on XBox also.
Well, I ran into one person who wasn't around for the first two waves- but they came back for the rest.

[mybudgee]

its really not that big a deal..

[Highlord Heian]

Rhaina wrote...

Getting 2 other people to kick someone is not a difficult task.  Even when they are random players.  If you believe it to be, thats fine and all, but that doesn't mean your belief is fact.
 

You say, believing that it's easy to get randoms to kick people to "troll".

Sorry about your self-defeating logic.

[Highlord Heian]

InfamousResult wrote...

but I only said that any badge would be too easy

Except you didn't say that until just now.
Congratulations- you just explained yourself. That wasn't so hard, was it?

Congratulations, you were the only one confused.

I didn't realize I needed to state it like I was on Blue's Clues.

[Geek]

Heather Cline wrote...

That happened last night with one of my xbox friends. At first she was steal killing from me and every other person in the game. I sent her a message via xbox live saying that if she didn't like people doing it to her she shouldn't do it to her friends. So next match she just went and huddled in a corner only helping out to revive someone if they died close enough to her. To top it all off she was the one hosting the match which meant if me and the only other person in that match kicked her we'd have to restart the current wave.

Now I don't know what was going through her mind but leeching is not cool from friends or random groups. 

Almost sounds like you told her to stop killing things and then are disappointed she did.

[Rhaina]

Highlord Heian wrote...

Rhaina wrote...

Getting 2 other people to kick someone is not a difficult task.  Even when they are random players.  If you believe it to be, thats fine and all, but that doesn't mean your belief is fact.
 

You say, believing that it's easy to get randoms to kick people to "troll".

Sorry about your self-defeating logic.

Whats hilarious is, people will get troll kicked, and all it takes is one incident for me to be right, you on the other hand must hope that it never happens, ever.

Based upon that, since there is precedent of cases of people being troll kicked from lobbies, and open the discussion to any similar situation in other games, and you've instantly lost the argument.

That is why yours is a belief, you believe people will be nice and not behave like that.  Mine is based upon being able to look at past behavior and deduct a logical outcome that doesn't require me to cross my fingers and hope it happens.

Self-defeating logic, lol.. more like you being unable to formulate an argument beyond the stammering of a child.

[Gorwyn87]

What exactly is "kill stealing" for you? It's not like there's a marker above enemies indicating who should shoot them.
It's really funny how coop games turn more and more into competitions as the time progresses.

Had some leechers too and it is really annoying. Couldn't bring myself to quit because I felt bad for the others, but will definitely do so in the future...

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Rhaina wrote...

Highlord Heian wrote...

Rhaina wrote...

Getting 2 other people to kick someone is not a difficult task.  Even when they are random players.  If you believe it to be, thats fine and all, but that doesn't mean your belief is fact.
 

You say, believing that it's easy to get randoms to kick people to "troll".

Sorry about your self-defeating logic.

Whats hilarious is, people will get troll kicked, and all it takes is one incident for me to be right, you on the other hand must hope that it never happens, ever.

Based upon that, since there is precedent of cases of people being troll kicked from lobbies, and open the discussion to any similar situation in other games, and you've instantly lost the argument.

That is why yours is a belief, you believe people will be nice and not behave like that.  Mine is based upon being able to look at past behavior and deduct a logical outcome that doesn't require me to cross my fingers and hope it happens.

Self-defeating logic, lol.. more like you being unable to formulate an argument beyond the stammering of a child.

You act like votekicking once the game has started would be a big problem. Fact is, plenty of other games use this system and it's fine.

[Rhaina]

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

Rhaina wrote...

Highlord Heian wrote...

Rhaina wrote...

Getting 2 other people to kick someone is not a difficult task.  Even when they are random players.  If you believe it to be, thats fine and all, but that doesn't mean your belief is fact.
 

You say, believing that it's easy to get randoms to kick people to "troll".

Sorry about your self-defeating logic.

Whats hilarious is, people will get troll kicked, and all it takes is one incident for me to be right, you on the other hand must hope that it never happens, ever.

Based upon that, since there is precedent of cases of people being troll kicked from lobbies, and open the discussion to any similar situation in other games, and you've instantly lost the argument.

That is why yours is a belief, you believe people will be nice and not behave like that.  Mine is based upon being able to look at past behavior and deduct a logical outcome that doesn't require me to cross my fingers and hope it happens.

Self-defeating logic, lol.. more like you being unable to formulate an argument beyond the stammering of a child.

You act like votekicking once the game has started would be a big problem. Fact is, plenty of other games use this system and it's fine.

Read an earlier post, I said I would use the system actively if it was implemented.  However, the current setup for the MP game, issues brought up in other threads such as when credits are awarded (end of game/vs immediate) as a quick example would alleviate some of the issues brought about by ONLY implementing in match kicking.

This is a classic case of not being able to see all the moving parts and how they will affect one another, losing sight of other issues that arise simply to solve one.

[Unicorn Mayo]

marshalleck wrote...

Nope. I got outplayed; time to improve my game.

No, see, as an engineer I spend most of my time casting decoys which doesn't result in alot of kills or assists but increases the survivability of the group by a significant factor.

[Serpicos]

robertm2 wrote...

thats why they need an afk kick system. this has only happened to me once on xbox but its still really annoying.

This +1 million times.

[JadeGL]

Had a leecher in a bronze game this past weekend. I didn't notice until mid match because they played the beginning waves, then afk for like 6 waves, then played the last wave. It was weird. I had never seen that before. Of course, I was just trying to level my last character for the promotion, so I really wanted to succeed so I kept going. Plus I just hate quitting! I know that it will be the best thing to do to show them that their crap isn't going to work, but I just hate throwing in the towel. I plan on releveling the characters I promoted this week, so hopefully I won't run into more of these types of players.

[MartialArtsSurfer]

Heather Cline wrote...
That happened last night with one of my xbox friends. At first she was steal killing from me and every other person in the game.

I sent her a message via xbox live saying that if she didn't like people doing it to her she shouldn't do it to her friends. So next match she just went and huddled in a corner only helping out to revive someone if they died close enough to her

. To top it all off she was the one hosting the match which meant if me and the only other person in that match kicked her we'd have to restart the current wave.
 

there's no such thing as 'kill stealing' in ME3.. everyone gets the same experience points from everybody else's kills too, not just your own --you get the same experience points for your teammates' kills just as if you killed it yourself

at end of game, everyone's score is totaled up & the sum is given to ALL team mates... same xp.. just like any MMO or RPG, regardless of who does the kills or gets the medals

[Highlord Heian]

Rhaina wrote...

Highlord Heian wrote...

Rhaina wrote...

Getting 2 other people to kick someone is not a difficult task.  Even when they are random players.  If you believe it to be, thats fine and all, but that doesn't mean your belief is fact.
 

You say, believing that it's easy to get randoms to kick people to "troll".

Sorry about your self-defeating logic.

Whats hilarious is, people will get troll kicked, and all it takes is one incident for me to be right, you on the other hand must hope that it never happens, ever.

Based upon that, since there is precedent of cases of people being troll kicked from lobbies, and open the discussion to any similar situation in other games, and you've instantly lost the argument.

That is why yours is a belief, you believe people will be nice and not behave like that.  Mine is based upon being able to look at past behavior and deduct a logical outcome that doesn't require me to cross my fingers and hope it happens.

Self-defeating logic, lol.. more like you being unable to formulate an argument beyond the stammering of a child.

So let's get this straight.

You think your belief of what will happen, according to you, is worse than the current reality of what actually happens, in the game as it exists now.

And your belief is that three people, the entire rest of your team, will have the same motivation to kick somebody, the same person, unjustly and unfairly. Your belief. Your prediction. Your pitiful excuse for an argument.

Yes, worrying about having to have three players all simultaneously decide to kick somebody else, which benefits them in no way, is much better than having to look out for a single person who wants to gain free XP and credits at no effort. That's your belief.

That three people, simultaneously, are likely to do something for no reason or benefit than a single person will do something for direct personal benefit at no effort.

I'm sorry that your logic is so inconceivably terrible. Though I can see why you would be worried, you're pretty obviously an insufferable blowhard with no common sense. Your concern about being kicked is probably rooted in that.

So you're not worried about "people being mean", you're worried about people "getting sick of you talking."

[Highlord Heian]

Rhaina wrote...

SKiLLYWiLLY2 wrote...

Rhaina wrote...

Highlord Heian wrote...

Rhaina wrote...

Getting 2 other people to kick someone is not a difficult task.  Even when they are random players.  If you believe it to be, thats fine and all, but that doesn't mean your belief is fact.
 

You say, believing that it's easy to get randoms to kick people to "troll".

Sorry about your self-defeating logic.

Whats hilarious is, people will get troll kicked, and all it takes is one incident for me to be right, you on the other hand must hope that it never happens, ever.

Based upon that, since there is precedent of cases of people being troll kicked from lobbies, and open the discussion to any similar situation in other games, and you've instantly lost the argument.

That is why yours is a belief, you believe people will be nice and not behave like that.  Mine is based upon being able to look at past behavior and deduct a logical outcome that doesn't require me to cross my fingers and hope it happens.

Self-defeating logic, lol.. more like you being unable to formulate an argument beyond the stammering of a child.

You act like votekicking once the game has started would be a big problem. Fact is, plenty of other games use this system and it's fine.

Read an earlier post, I said I would use the system actively if it was implemented.  However, the current setup for the MP game, issues brought up in other threads such as when credits are awarded (end of game/vs immediate) as a quick example would alleviate some of the issues brought about by ONLY implementing in match kicking.

This is a classic case of not being able to see all the moving parts and how they will affect one another, losing sight of other issues that arise simply to solve one.

This is a classic case of you thinking everyone's going to do what you think they're going to do. Which, considering your ability to reason, almost guarantees a contrary result.

There are no moving parts. There's just your pitiful social forecast, based on assuming everyone is as hated by their team as you are.

[jerrinehart]

Kosmiker wrote...

worst score at the end of the mission gets nothing. That's my solution.

Worst idea ever. That's my opinon.

[Pugz82]

I had at least 5 games today with one person AFKing on silver. It's annoying and EA needs to do something about it, it is ruining the experience for people who actually want to play. Maybe make it so your score effects the credits you get or something.

[Rhaina]

Considering the burden of proof lays with both of you seeing as how there is precedent that supports my claims.

Furthermore, your misrepresentation that I would be worried, or that this is my forecast for all players hence forth is ridiculous. Not once did I elude to either of these things.

If players won't abuse a system, they wouldn't be abusing the ability to go afk in the current system now would they, according to how you're implying my claims to be a belief rather than fact.

Edit: Just look at these forums, top thread is about cheating, you've clearly chosen the right community as the best shining beacon to tell me that precedent from other games wouldn't ever take place here.... no one here ever abuses anything... ever.

Modifié par Rhaina, 04 avril 2012 - 10:51 .

[CHAw]

Hopefully somebody already thought of this and posted it, but I thought of another means of discouraging leechers besides quitting from games where they are present.

Note that this method requires a microphone, and may be less efficient than quitting the game if more than one leecher is present.

Communicate to your active teammates that a leecher is present. Then, you and they must suicide. Barring unusual circumstances, this will result in one of two outcomes. Either the leecher(s) are forced to participate, in order to progress in the match. Or, more likely, they will be killed and the mission will fail, at which point they can be kicked before the next match starts (unless they quit first, which works out just as well).

[Highlord Heian]

Rhaina wrote...

Considering the burden of proof lays with both of you seeing as how there is precedent that supports my claims.

Wrong. Just wrong. Your "precedent" doesn't exist, and the situation to support it doesn't exist. You're making things up, using words you don't understand, and basically trying to pass off your ridiculous opinion off as fact. 

It's funny that you say the "burden of proof" lies with me, when I'm not the one making moronic claims about "unfair kicking", you are. The only "proof" I need is the existence of idle leechers, which I exists in an obvious state within the community. 

You have no precedent, no proof, no argument, and no self-awareness if you mistakenly think that you somehow have a point. You're the one with the theory, the burden of proof falls on you, and your ignorant, awful, flawed reasoning.

You've offered nothing but "because I say so" as reasoning. It's like trying to converse with a spoiled child.