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[M0keys]

awwnuts07 wrote...

Email "Heroes" to Casey Hudson. It's full of sacrifice while being victorious and uplifting (I swear, I'm never gonna let Hudson off the hook for saying something so f u cking stupid).

That'd be great, but I doubt Grub could! I don't think companies can take submissions that way. Legal issues. Grub once  told me that Warner Bros has people who are hired to just chill out near the studio walls and burn scripts that are tossed over

awwnuts07 wrote...

Also really liked the Paragon/Control ending. Save the day, but the victory rings hollow AND you still managed to leave room for lots of speculation for everyone.

I talked about that one with him a little bit. well not specifically that one. more like the "original 3" in general. and he said he wanted to communicate, "these are endings, yes, but they're not the best and you should feel it."

[II JazB x]

This is amazing, you should do what awwnuts07 did but email all of it. They're all really well done, and the Corruption Ending is phenomenal, especially smashing Tali's mask and the face off with Garrus. The Synthesis ending was a huge twist and actually makes sense but the whole bizarre speech worship and Joker Project Overlord VI Matrix Battery thing is a bit out of place in the ME Canon. I really like the Heroes ending, but there could be a 5000+ EMS option where Joker picks up Shep like with Miracle. Generally they're all pretty good (+1 Cookie for you).

[M0keys]

II JazB x wrote...

This is amazing, you should do what awwnuts07 did but email all of it. They're all really well done, and the Corruption Ending is phenomenal, especially smashing Tali's mask and the face off with Garrus.

I like it a lot, too
Tali's death was really hard for me to read. my heart really broke, but I guess that's the power of good writing

II JazB x wrote...

The Synthesis ending was a huge twist and actually makes sense but the whole bizarre speech worship and Joker Project Overlord VI Matrix Battery thing is a bit out of place in the ME Canon.

it's definitely a bizarre ending. I kinda felt like he was going for some kind of super nightmarish outcome, like out of some weird hp lovecraft story or something? I'll talk to him about it.

Thanks for your comments!

[II JazB x]

It's quite bizarre, but having Shepard see every die in front of him for his mistake was heart-breaking. I liked that Obi Wan reference, but if Bioware suddenly hired Grub and implemented it, I think they'd use the Control Good, Synthesis, Miracle, Heroes and Destroy. I'm not sure about the Evil Control and how it would fit the canon with Shepard suddenly desiring to take over the Galaxy, but it really reminded me of KOTOR and being able to become Darth Revan again so that's cool

[M0keys]

II JazB x wrote...

It's quite bizarre, but having Shepard see every die in front of him for his mistake was heart-breaking. I liked that Obi Wan reference, but if Bioware suddenly hired Grub and implemented it, I think they'd use the Control Good, Synthesis, Miracle, Heroes and Destroy. I'm not sure about the Evil Control and how it would fit the canon with Shepard suddenly desiring to take over the Galaxy, but it really reminded me of KOTOR and being able to become Darth Revan again so that's cool

something cool Grub told me was that in the Corruption ending, all the dialogue choices are the same, but on the dialogue wheels themselves the short "choice texts" become Shepard's thoughts, like the real Shepard is trapped helplessly inside his own body unable to save his friends. so all the choices would be Shepard thinking things like, "don't stand there! I'm going to kill you," "run!" or, "Forgive me" but no matter what you pick, he always goes through with all those terrible things. you're just as helpless as he is.

I'm not sure if that fits into canon or not, and maybe that's why Grub doesnt strictly say in the script, but I think it would've been very powerful in the actual game

[my Aim is True]

Wow that's long. I applaud your effort, will look at when I have time

[CronoDragoon]

M0keys wrote...

II JazB x wrote...

It's quite bizarre, but having Shepard see every die in front of him for his mistake was heart-breaking. I liked that Obi Wan reference, but if Bioware suddenly hired Grub and implemented it, I think they'd use the Control Good, Synthesis, Miracle, Heroes and Destroy. I'm not sure about the Evil Control and how it would fit the canon with Shepard suddenly desiring to take over the Galaxy, but it really reminded me of KOTOR and being able to become Darth Revan again so that's cool

something cool Grub told me was that in the Corruption ending, all the dialogue choices are the same, but on the dialogue wheels themselves the short "choice texts" become Shepard's thoughts, like the real Shepard is trapped helplessly inside his own body unable to save his friends. so all the choices would be Shepard thinking things like, "don't stand there! I'm going to kill you," "run!" or, "Forgive me" but no matter what you pick, he always goes through with all those terrible things. you're just as helpless as he is.

I'm not sure if that fits into canon or not, and maybe that's why Grub doesnt strictly say in the script, but I think it would've been very powerful in the actual game

Holy crap, I just got chills reading that, and anyone who read the third ME book knows that this is exactly what happens to Indoctrinated people when the Reapers decide to assume control.

[M0keys]

Really? he must've read that then! he really did his research o_o

[ImmortalAegis]

OMG................i love ALL of these and each one is a HUGE improvement over the endings we got. Bioware NEEDS to hire you lol

[CronoDragoon]

In the book when the Reapers are inside Grayson, there are basically two scenarios: the first is TIM scenario, where they subtly influence your outlook on decisions but still allow you to make the decisions. However, since they are controlling basically the chemicals in your brain, they have rigged the outcome. Sort of like how Inception works. The other is when people fight them mentally and the Reapers win; they take over fully and manipulate your body directly, saying and doing whatever they want - but the host is still aware of everything.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 15 avril 2012 - 12:25 .

[M0keys]

yeah I knew about the first one but not the second. very cool! 

[Natswit]

I've read the "Miracle Man" so far, and thanks for the effort, it really shows how the endings could've been a lot better.

[M0keys]

thanks for reading his endings! I hope it can get as much attraction as possible.

[M0keys]

Just talked to Grub. Apparently he hadn't read the 3rd book, but said he didn't know of any instances of getting indoctrinated from a 1st person perspective in that fashion so he went with what felt right.

Interesting that it matched up with the book!

[Drumsmasher]

II JazB x wrote...

This is amazing, you should do what awwnuts07 did but email all of it. They're all really well done, and the Corruption Ending is phenomenal, especially smashing Tali's mask and the face off with Garrus. The Synthesis ending was a huge twist and actually makes sense but the whole bizarre speech worship and Joker Project Overlord VI Matrix Battery thing is a bit out of place in the ME Canon. I really like the Heroes ending, but there could be a 5000+ EMS option where Joker picks up Shep like with Miracle. Generally they're all pretty good (+1 Cookie for you).

Seems Joker was stuck computing pi because he plugged in the overlord...

[M0keys]

lol!

[GorrilaKing]

Awesome. Utterly awesome. Saved it to desktop...this is my official canon now unless the EC actually fixes the ending.

[M0keys]

Awesome!

[CaptainOrgia]

excited to read these!

[Skull Bearer]

M0keys wrote...

II JazB x wrote...

It's quite bizarre, but having Shepard see every die in front of him for his mistake was heart-breaking. I liked that Obi Wan reference, but if Bioware suddenly hired Grub and implemented it, I think they'd use the Control Good, Synthesis, Miracle, Heroes and Destroy. I'm not sure about the Evil Control and how it would fit the canon with Shepard suddenly desiring to take over the Galaxy, but it really reminded me of KOTOR and being able to become Darth Revan again so that's cool

something cool Grub told me was that in the Corruption ending, all the dialogue choices are the same, but on the dialogue wheels themselves the short "choice texts" become Shepard's thoughts, like the real Shepard is trapped helplessly inside his own body unable to save his friends. so all the choices would be Shepard thinking things like, "don't stand there! I'm going to kill you," "run!" or, "Forgive me" but no matter what you pick, he always goes through with all those terrible things. you're just as helpless as he is.

I'm not sure if that fits into canon or not, and maybe that's why Grub doesnt strictly say in the script, but I think it would've been very powerful in the actual game

Thank you for somehow making that even creepier than it already is *shudders*

[stysiaq]

that's a lotta reading, but from what I've seen it's very good.

effort such as yours just show how much the fans care about the franchise.

[Sparrows]

Just got to the Miracle Man ending, but I have to say, I love how sassy Renegade!Shepard is! Not sure that's the right word.... flippant? cocky? Either way, it's amazing and it makes me laugh.

[awwnuts07]

M0keys wrote...

awwnuts07 wrote...

Email "Heroes" to Casey Hudson. It's full of sacrifice while being victorious and uplifting (I swear, I'm never gonna let Hudson off the hook for saying something so f u cking stupid).

That'd be great, but I doubt Grub could! I don't think companies can take submissions that way. Legal issues. Grub once  told me that Warner Bros has people who are hired to just chill out near the studio walls and burn scripts that are tossed over

Too bad we can't throw Mac Walter's ending script in a fire. 

[jedsithor]

Just read the whole thing. There is a major...plothole for lack of a better word...in both of the "defeating the reapers" endings. They both assume that the Reapers are all in the Sol System. They're not. Even if (and it's a big IF) the Reapers could be defeated at Earth, there'd be a whole galaxy of Reapers left to contend with. Thessia and Palaven are overrun with Reapers, and you only have to look at the galaxy map before heading to Earth to see that the Reapers are everywhere. The reason the Reapers can't be defeated conventionally isn't because the Reapers have unbreakable shields, it's because there's so damn many of them.

Putting that aside, there's also an issue with how the Reapers are defeated. It's effectively space magic. Harbinger suddenly becomes the Borg Queen? Kill Harbinger and the rest suddenly become confused and disorganised? That doesn't mesh with what we already know about the Reapers. Each Reaper is independent. Killing Sovereign didn't stop the Reapers, nor would killing Harbinger. Like the endings that currently exists, it would mean ignoring established lore.

Then there's even more space magic with the super secret tactics that defeat the Reapers or in the Corruption path, doom the fleets. None of it is explained. What's the Corruption strategy that the fleets blindly follow to their death? What's the "Counter" strategy that somehow destroys all the Reapers? It's not enough to just say there's a miracle strategy.

There's some good stuff here but ultimately it leaves as many questions as the original endings.

[M0keys]

jedsithor wrote...

Just read the whole thing. There is a major...plothole for lack of a better word...in both of the "defeating the reapers" endings. They both assume that the Reapers are all in the Sol System. They're not. Even if (and it's a big IF) the Reapers could be defeated at Earth, there'd be a whole galaxy of Reapers left to contend with. Thessia and Palaven are overrun with Reapers, and you only have to look at the galaxy map before heading to Earth to see that the Reapers are everywhere. The reason the Reapers can't be defeated conventionally isn't because the Reapers have unbreakable shields, it's because there's so damn many of them.

Putting that aside, there's also an issue with how the Reapers are defeated. It's effectively space magic. Harbinger suddenly becomes the Borg Queen? Kill Harbinger and the rest suddenly become confused and disorganised? That doesn't mesh with what we already know about the Reapers. Each Reaper is independent. Killing Sovereign didn't stop the Reapers, nor would killing Harbinger. Like the endings that currently exists, it would mean ignoring established lore.

Then there's even more space magic with the super secret tactics that defeat the Reapers or in the Corruption path, doom the fleets. None of it is explained. What's the Corruption strategy that the fleets blindly follow to their death? What's the "Counter" strategy that somehow destroys all the Reapers? It's not enough to just say there's a miracle strategy.

There's some good stuff here but ultimately it leaves as many questions as the original endings.

yeah it's not what I'd call scientifically sound. I agree there. and I guess if you had Chris L'Etoile working on it too, it'd be more technical, but.. I dunno *shrug*

It seems to me like he was focusing more on characters than anything? Ultimately in the end that your space buddies and the emotions you'd feel were more important than what tactics? That's just my opinion though.

If you have any suggestions that would make it more solid in terms of canon details, I'd be more than happy to pass them along and have him see what he can swing. the endings aren't carved in stone :