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Alternate fan endings for Mass Effect 3! Endings complete! Femshep added! Character resolutions in progress! [UPDATED: MAY/30/2012)


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Response direct from Grub, live via satellite! or something like that


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I dunno, you've clearly put a lot of time and effort into these, but I can't really say I think they're an improvement on what we got. Shepard mind-rapes Harbinger and gets super special tactics that allow the fleet to destroy the Reapers with ease? Come on, Harbinger's not the Borg Queen.


"Starchild controls the Reapers. He states it flat out. So I just made it so that Starchild is an element of Harbinger. I'll admit it's not perfect, and if I wasn't bound by constraints, I'd write something totally different. However, the constraints are part of the exercise and it takes a long time to clean up after a disaster, or whatever you want to call it. Some things are never fully repaired. But if you have any suggestions, I'd be more than happy to read them. It is everyone's story, after all, and if you think you've got a cool strategy for beating the Reapers, lemme know (or let m0keys know -- I'm not always around.)"

Hatikvah07 wrote...

Furthermore, these are cartoonishly slanted towards Destroy being the preferable option (seriously, your version of Synthesis is just bugnuts).


"I'd like to say I'm sorry you saw it that way, but it's all open for interpretation if you feel like interpreting. I certainly didn't intend it to feel like 'le best ending,' though. They're all supposed to ring hollow in a way, and I left that option open for people who felt it the strongest. That's why you can disappear as Shepard and convince everyone you're dead. You killed the Geth, you killed Joker's growing girlfriend/wife.. That is not preferable. At best, it's tragic. At worst, well.. It's evil.

Joker tries to fight to keep his friend going because, hey, it's his best friend and the Hero of the Galaxy, but ultimately it's up to the player to decide if the 'cost,' so-called, was worth it. But it also still wasn't the worst ending, so it can't be entirely without hope, either. The galaxy isn't doomed. Hope still survives, but..perhaps not in Shepard, and not in his cause. The Galaxy never will be the same. The old world is dead. Long live the new world and all the innocent  corpses you're scraping out of London.

And yeah, Synthesis is totally 'bugnuts,' and I'm proud to admit it. *looks all defiant and stuff*"

Hatikvah07 wrote...

One of the few things I liked about the ending was that it seemed there was no "right" choice. I picked Destroy, my roommate picked Control, and we both had good reasons for doing so. Making Control a super hollow victory, and Synthesis a cheap "Zombie Apocalypse" with Shepard somehow surviving his swan dive into the beam doesn't make a whole lot of sense.


"Well, alright. I mean, if you guys liked those endings in the beginning, I'm not here to rain on your parade. The ones you picked are still Canon with a capital C, and you can go and be proud of your difficult choices.

I saw all the choices as wrong in their own horrible, unique ways, but not everyone sees it like that. And that's okay. Mass Effect exists to give everyone a choice in their story. There are people who see the Geth as 'just machines' and there were choices to give them the story they wanted to. I may think those people, if they hold that belief about everything in the same fashion, are terribly misguided, but if you're writing Mass Effect it's not up to you to tell them their choices don't matter.


I'm not sure why you thought the endings were worth keeping, but it seems like that's your feeling, and like I said, that's fine. Either everyone's choices matter, or no one's do.

If you want a second Synthesis option, I'm open to suggestions, but I'm not sure what it would look like."

Hatikvah07 wrote...


There are some good ideas here, especially the behind-the-scenes-metric of "Evil Shepard/Resistance Shepard", but I think you don't really stick the landing. If anything, my favorite ending was the "Rejection" ending, with Shepard smoking and watching the Fleet going down fighting.


"Well, I'm glad you enjoyed one of them.

So thanks for reading, and cheers for the comments. They were helpful in seeing what someone thinks of the endings, and I really appreciate that. Even the people who dislike what you've written have got something worthwhile to say, and you should take them into account. The day you start believing everything you write is gold is the day you turn into George Lucas or M. Night Shyamalan, and those men frighten me.

Cheers!"


edit: Grub seems to have missed the RetakeME3 graphic in your sig. I should tell him that.

Modifié par M0keys, 19 avril 2012 - 05:45 .


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And keep posting comments! ::D

Grub's forming new ideas all the time thanks to what everyone's been saying!

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M0keys wrote...

HBC Dresden wrote...
@ Pockles nah, the great thing is that Shepard cannot save himself or herself nor anyone else. Indoctrination to its fullest!


thanks

I think the same thing too ::)

I'd like last minute redemption, personally, but I see where you're coming from.

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I suppose it's the whole feeling. if you give in to evil for even a second, harbinger takes control and the whole mood is that... you've lost. now see what horrible things you've wrought!

also I'm just going to take another guess here, but maybe Shepard shooting himself would be like.. "That's what Saren did, that's what illusive man did.. seriously, this again? come on!!"

But if there's enough outcry for it, like anything, I'm sure Grub will try to do something about it.

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Oh, in no way did I think that the endings were good, I just think you've stacked the deck pretty heavily in favor of Destroy. There's "Shepard feels bad about killing EDI" hollow, and then there's "Synthesis mind rapes everyone into zombies and Shepard kills them all" hollow. If you're going to make each ending hollow, they need to be equal levels of it. Furthermore, I think you've kinda missed the meaning of "bittersweet". The Tuchanka mission is bittersweet (Genophage cured, but Mordin is dead). Having Liara flat out say "Man, ever since Shepard took control of the Reapers everything feels like !@#$" is a bit on the nose and obvious.

If I was going to rewrite/explain the endings, I think Synthesis would work out such that everyone gets some form of low level telepathy (file sharing!) through their synthetic upgrades. People are still people, but they can communicate in new and unexpected ways. That's just a short thing I've jotted out, but there are definitely ways to adapt the endings to make sense.

Finally, it really bothers me that people want to somehow have it that the Starchild is a part of Harbinger. Having the Reaper being controlled by him is silly enough, but it always been suggested that the Reapers don't think what they're doing is that bad. Having a rational, logical (mostly) Reaper Overlord makes more sense than a gleeful, destructive Harbinger.

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Hatikvah07 wrote...

Oh, in no way did I think that the endings were good, I just think you've stacked the deck pretty heavily in favor of Destroy. There's "Shepard feels bad about killing EDI" hollow, and then there's "Synthesis mind rapes everyone into zombies and Shepard kills them all" hollow. If you're going to make each ending hollow, they need to be equal levels of it. Furthermore, I think you've kinda missed the meaning of "bittersweet". The Tuchanka mission is bittersweet (Genophage cured, but Mordin is dead). Having Liara flat out say "Man, ever since Shepard took control of the Reapers everything feels like !@#$" is a bit on the nose and obvious.


i don't think Grub actually ended up going for "bittersweet" in that ending..just..disconcerting. like an episode of twilight zone.

Hatikvah07 wrote...

If I was going to rewrite/explain the endings, I think Synthesis would work out such that everyone gets some form of low level telepathy (file sharing!) through their synthetic upgrades. People are still people, but they can communicate in new and unexpected ways. That's just a short thing I've jotted out, but there are definitely ways to adapt the endings to make sense.


oh yeah! I played that game! deus ex invisible war! that was one of its endings.

not sure how it would stop synthetics from genociding the whole galaxy if the starchild is telling the truth, though..


Hatikvah07 wrote...

Finally, it really bothers me that people want to somehow have it that the Starchild is a part of Harbinger. Having the Reaper being controlled by him is silly enough, but it always been suggested that the Reapers don't think what they're doing is that bad. Having a rational, logical (mostly) Reaper Overlord makes more sense than a gleeful, destructive Harbinger.


hasn't it always been stated that the reapers aren't logical? they're like forces of nature. they've somehow evolved to do horrific things, and they're very scary. imagine how some very large predators must seem to tiny little animals, and how horribly they feed on the little guys when they're still alive.. that's like what the reapers are. they're the big scary predators to the little sentient guys.

btw how was starchild logical anyway? any truly logical thing would see that its solution was...not the best way to do things. it's got a button to destroy all synthetics right? just keep, umm.. Let's call him Reaper Joe. Keep him around in the galaxy to chill out, and whenever synthetics appear.. whammo! destroy ending. 

starchild apparently does the same thing thousands of times, and fails every time according to his own logic. isn't it said that insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result each time?

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er, and sorry. I know this is getting kinda off topic

there are other threads dedicated to this sort of topic and I probably shouldn't argue them here

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M0keys invited some of us Ash fans to write down why we like Ashley so much - click the link ^^

In very short words: most of us fans simply like her because she feels real. Others may think she's boring since she's just an ordinary grunt, neither a biotic nor member of an interesting species - but for us fans, Ash is just ... real. Like a real person, the girl next door.
Also kinda fascinating Ash has fans of both genders and different ages.
Long post - check out the link.

Click me

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CptData wrote...

M0keys invited some of us Ash fans to write down why we like Ashley so much - click the link ^^

In very short words: most of us fans simply like her because she feels real. Others may think she's boring since she's just an ordinary grunt, neither a biotic nor member of an interesting species - but for us fans, Ash is just ... real. Like a real person, the girl next door.
Also kinda fascinating Ash has fans of both genders and different ages.
Long post - check out the link.

Click me


Wow! :o

thank you so much, CptData! every little bit (and big bit) helps incredibly!

You rule!

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You're welcome, M0keys ^^

My suggestion still is to get an expert writer for each character in your project. Makes things much easier since the more involved fans know their fave character pretty well.

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Great so far, have to finish it later. :)

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I have to say that I simply love it. Some is happy, some bittersweet, some downright heartbreaking and horrific. Synthesis is a good example. That is really messed up. I wouldn't change it though. They are all brilliant, they are varied and give us conclusion and the sense of achievement and hope, even if it is grim, something the current endings completely fail at. I also love how the God-Child is actually Harbinger, that is brilliant, cause I hate that kid, whereas Harbinger IS the true villain of the series. My only recommendation is that there is versions with the LIs. Like a Liara/FemShep one, or can you imagine FemShep with Garrus as her LI in Corruption... that would be so heartbreaking. And the Miracle ending would be completely perfect with some LI moments ^_^

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thanks for the comments, daecath and wintergirl!

and grub is definitely working on more stuff for femshep and LIs

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Needs more bumpage! :D

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thanks baronesa ::)

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Any ETA on upcoming material?

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Some of these actually gave me goosebumps. Well done.

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Flamebeast123 wrote...

Any ETA on upcoming material?


he's still collecting material from fans, but he should start up work again pretty soon ::)

In the mean time, keep giving him your thoughts!

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 Good work so far. It's a challenging task to rewrite the endings. I know cause I wrote a set of endings myself. Bump for win. :wizard:

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Its pretty decent and some the endings are kind of "meh" but its is FAR better than what we got (i like how some of the endings have a MAJOR negative twist) and will still most likely offer more resolution that we will ever officially get

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thank you very much ::)

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This is awesome. You put so much effort in it. Big respect man, BW should use this as a script for the EC!
Only thing thats kind of missing is the interest for your LI. For example throughout the whole, indeed wonderful "miracle man" ending, Shep seems to forget about his LI. (It undestandable, because it would be just too much to write I guess)

Resolutions for LI follow, right? Can't wait, keep it up!

But maybe you should have left some options out that nobody will take anyway. Like the three basic ones ^^
Or I mean, who'd "choose" "Low EMS" ?

Modifié par Darman, 22 avril 2012 - 04:52 .


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Darman wrote...

This is awesome. You put so much effort in it. Big respect man, BW should use this as a script for the EC!
Only thing thats kind of missing is the interest for your LI. For example throughout the whole, indeed wonderful "miracle man" ending, Shep seems to forget about his LI.

Resolutions for LI follow, right? Can't wait, keep it up!


grub's definitely writing resolutions for everyone! and he's taking a lot of input for character resolutions, so if you have a particular LI, post here who it is and what sorts of things you'd like to see :wizard:

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M0keys wrote...
grub's definitely writing resolutions for everyone! and he's taking a lot of input for character resolutions, so if you have a particular LI, post here who it is and what sorts of things you'd like to see :wizard:


You kidding me? Sounds sarcastic.

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absolutely not

he has a big document full of comments from everyone based on their LIs and their comments about the endings

kaidan has a huge section. lots of passionate kaidan fans out there!