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[cutegigi]

Dont like MP ? buy our readiness pack! only $6.99 to gain 100% galactic readiness !

ps: remember, you can not get perfect ending without MP, even though we keep saying you could

Modifié par cutegigi, 04 avril 2012 - 07:00 .

[Xandurpein]

I'm certainly excites. I mean Bioware has never overhyped their products or made promises they didn't deliver.

Oh, wait...

[Malchat]

If Bioware knew what fans had in store for them, they would have saved their game.

[Terraforming2154]

DirtyBird627 wrote...

"If fans knew what we had in store for them, they would keep their saves."

Honestly, if I knew what they had in store for me, I would have kept my $60.

Lol, pretty much.

[Tocquevillain]

Man, I'm on my fifth playthrough! Can't wait for Friday.

[joiner87]

wish i could keep playing, im still on my 2nd, cant start the last mission, knowing what happens, will hold for friday

[Eyelidsz]

Malchat wrote...

If Bioware knew what fans had in store for them, they would have saved their game.

I like this.

Modifié par GravityEyelids, 04 avril 2012 - 07:24 .

[QuanManChu]

GravityEyelids wrote...

Malchat wrote...

If Bioware knew what fans had in store for them, they would have saved their game.

I like this.

Ahahahahahaha...now that is too quoteable.

[Skydiver8888]

Wes Finley wrote...

Skydiver8888 wrote...I don't know what the DLC for ME3 will hold, but to be angry that you'll have to pay more for the conclusion to the story is like....i know...it's like those people who were mad that the Fellowship of the Ring (movie or book) ended so abruptly and that there was no way that could be the real ending!  OMG!

Oh man, I hated how Fellowship ended on a cliffhanger too!

*Turns book over*   -   "PART ONE OF A TRILOGY"

Huh... Ya see, you've gone and made another crappy comparison.

Mass Effect 3 isn't a story in need of an ending... it's the actual ending of the story.

Period. Full stop.

That's what they told us it was, that's what was advertised, what we all stood in line and paid for.

And it fails that. HARD.

Not to say they can't make DLC for this game, goodness knows there is no stopping that, but they need to fix whats broken before trying to sell more bells and whistles for it.

Well, my original comparison was with Baldur's gate 2 (advertised as the end of the "series"), but since the vast majority of the people on here were probably still in elementary school when it released, I had to alter my similies a bit.  My point with the LOTR comparison was that there WERE people who went to the first movie who KNEW it was a series and were upset with the ending...there were.  i wish i had a time machine to go and find those reviews and post them.

I mean come ON, raise your hand if you really REALLY think that any modern game is going to be released with NO DLC.  Period.  Full Stop. 

Really?  people really think that?  The naivete is astounding.

Modifié par Skydiver8888, 04 avril 2012 - 07:28 .

[evisneffo]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

Skydiver8888 wrote...
Right.

You all DO realize that "DLC" to continue a story in a game is not a new business model, right?  Heck, even Bioware has done it before.  No one was this outraged at having to pay TWENTY extra dollars to find out the true ending of their Bhaalspawn story.  Expansion packs happened all the time.

That's right, folks,   the EPIC WORLD-SAVING story of baldur's gate didn't end in BG2.  It ended in BG2's EXPANSION PACK.  ******rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaggggggggggggggggggggggeeee!!!!!!!!!*******

And those are still considered some of the best PC games of all time.

Is it really so outrageous to think that maybe this whole thing was planned all along?  that the true end isn't released yet?  just like BG2:TOB, yanno...

quoting for truth and justice and because there aren't enough old school Bioware fans in here anymore.

there use to be a time when Expantion packs were cool. Oh man more story. more game, yippie

now its, what? sequel?!?!? RAGE if its not in one game for one price and available right now then RAGGEEEE

You keep throwing this example around, and while I'll grant you that it makes a point, I don't think it hits the point.

ToB was effectively a sequel to SoA. That's all well and good. I wouldn't complain over a sensible Shepard-centred sequel.

What ToB wasn't was a patching up of the end of SoA. Its events took place after the events of SoA with no necessary reference to them. SoA was a complete game in itself that tied up its own loose ends.

The point you seem to be going for is that we should have rAEged because the player character's story didn't conclude until ToB. Unless the series was marketed as a  "trilogy" (EDIT> this should probably be "duology"**), or SoA as the end to the player character's story arc, this isn't the issue. They were just a series of stories drawn from the same character -- and of course people were happy to have more stories to play out -- which the developers chose to tie up for good in ToB.

**EDIT>> I just saw the post above. So yes, if it's true SoA was sold as the "end of the series", I'll give you this one to some extent. However, I would not by any means call the "end of the series" in SoA unsatisfying on its own, and even if you want to pick that apart, the following point still stands:

My point is, Shadows of Amn concluded the story that it began. If what you're hoping for is true, Mass Effect 3 not only failed to complete the trilogy, it also simply failed to complete its own story. Both of which run contrary to what you would reasonably expect from the game's marketing, if not from a basic idea of what a well-written story (and complete game) should contain.

Modifié par evisneffo, 04 avril 2012 - 07:36 .

[Admiral H. Cain]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

lordofdogtown19 wrote...

Tiax Rules All wrote...

all these negative comments
ORRRR
maybe it IS something awesome.

yea but that's not funny <_<

Im tired of funny.
IF they really planned this
the fans will have proven to be the worst group of ________ ever.

Why? 

IF they planned this, and that is a very big IF, then ffs it be better be free, or I paid $80 (CE) for an incomplete game.

(And no, the Indoc. Theory was not planned as only a complete idiot would sell an incomplete game, novel, film, etc., and BioWare's history lacks the required idiocy).

Modifié par Admiral H. Cain, 04 avril 2012 - 07:33 .

[Litefire]

3 new endings with epic new colors.

yellow orange and purple.

[Skydiver8888]

evisneffo wrote...


You keep throwing this example around, and while I'll grant you that it makes a point, I don't think it hits the point.

ToB was effectively a sequel to SoA. That's all well and good. I wouldn't complain over a sensible Shepard-centred sequel.

What ToB wasn't was a patching up of the end of SoA. Its events took place after the events of SoA with no necessary reference to them. SoA was a complete game in itself that tied up its own loose ends.

The point you seem to be going for is that we should have rAEged because the player character's story didn't conclude until ToB. Unless the series was marketed as a  "trilogy" (EDIT> this should probably be "duology"), or SoA as the end to the player character's story arc, this isn't the issue. They were just a series of stories drawn from the same character -- and of course people were happy to have more stories to play out -- which the developers chose to tie up for good in ToB.

My point is, Shadows of Amn concluded the story that it began. If what you're hoping for is true, Mass Effect 3 not only failed to complete the trilogy, it also simply failed to complete its own story. Both of which run contrary to what you would reasonably expect from the game's marketing, if not from a basic idea of what a well-written story (and complete game) should contain.

well, your point isn't my point.  Funny thing about interpretation.

I guess i'm really speaking in a much more general sense than ONLY ME3.  Games have always and will always be made with future expansion or DLC in mind, even planned.  To think otherwise, for ANY game, is naive and the indignation in many of the posts is...silly.

If DLC contains new stories, quests, map packs, appearances, whatever, then why not more of the main story?  why not the *actual* ending?  (*cough* Throne of Bhaal) 

I guess what i'm saying is the crying over buying an "incomplete" product really is pointless.  every modern game could be considered "incomplete" because if you know ANYTHING about the way games are developed (and I do) you know that content expansion is planned for and written in advance.  WELL in advance. 

[SillyNydia]

I think dlc is kind of pointless with the ending the way it is. I could understand if it was dlc that takes place after the abomination that is the ending but honestly, whats the point of replaying the game or doing some mission when you know it is pointless in the end.

Unless EA is going to try and revive Spore via Mass Effect, that actually makes sense. Rebuild life from the microscopic level up!

[Wes Finley]

Skydiver8888 wrote...

I mean come ON, raise your hand if you really REALLY think that any modern game is going to be released with NO DLC.  Period.  Full Stop. 

Really?  people really think that?  The naivete is astounding.

You wanna know what I think? I think that an Aria/Omega DLC in style of Lair of the Shadow Broker would be an ASTOUNDING addition to the game. If I was making the calls at Bioware, that would have been my first big DLC push, post launch.

The problem is that this would inevitably happen PRIOR to the ending. That is why the game dumps you back into the universe just before the final push, the story is OVER. Period. Full stop.

Again, I have to go back to the part where that ending was TERRIBLE, invalidates large swathes of the previous story with the introduction of hokey new characters, the gaping chasms erupting in the plot, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together....

I'm not going to argue that you're WRONG to want to give them more money, but it does strike me odd that someone who appears to grasp the elements of how a story/game come together is so prepared to ignore the numerous missteps made here, right down to the refusal to admit that statements made prior to launch were blatantly misleading.

Modifié par Wes Finley, 04 avril 2012 - 07:45 .

[Bizantura]

How can they deliver new endings, the anticipation is way to high and to various to please everybody. For some the indoctrination theory will work, some prefer happy endings, some anything exept what we got ect...

Or... they could really be creative and do non of that and come up with something totaly new and not debated about on the internet or anywhere else allready!!!
That would certenly be considered art!!

Nah..I probably will be dreaming on sadly enough...

[SillyNydia]

Wes Finley wrote...


Again, I have to go back to the part where that ending was TERRIBLE, invalidates large swathes of the previous story with the introduction of hokey new characters, the gaping chasms erupting in the plot, human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together....

+1 Ghostubsters

[The Force Within]

Just more lies/misinformation.

[Skydiver8888]

*bangs head on desk*

"What we have here is a failure to communicate..."

I'm not sure where i ever said that I 100% supported EAware's marketing decisions or the ME3 ending or the indoc theory or anything of the sort. Not sure where you're getting this. I'm really just taking the ****** at all the self-righteous posts on here about how angry people are about buying an "incomplete" game when every single modern game could be considered to be incomplete on release.

Hell, I truly think EA's marketing has completely ruined the potential of two great Bioware games. Don't get me started on the marketing missteps made with DA2. I liked DA2. but I don't think it should have been named or marketed as a sequel to DA:O. it was all downhill from there and EAware's fundamental mistake with that game. I also didn't go into it with any expectations because i deliberately cut myself off from this place a couple months after DAO:A came out.

Really though, we, as gamers, bring this on ourselves. we demand tweets and facebook updates and spoilers and screenshots and convention panels and when they strive to give it to us, they make mistakes. and We overhype and overhype and build up our expectations to fever pitches and then we wonder why games "fail".

I miss 2000 when I happily played BG2, bugs and all, no forums, only gamefaqs.com to help me occasionally.

[Wes Finley]

Skydiver8888 wrote...

I'm really just taking the ****** at all the self-righteous posts on here about how angry people are about buying an "incomplete" game when every single modern game could be considered to be incomplete on release.

Look, I can appreciate where you're coming from, but in this case I want to be clear that Bioware genuinley screwed the pooch.

This isn't a matter of Missing content, cut for DLC or what have you.

This is a matter of Very Poor content, misrepresented to us intentionally or not, that is taking the ******, as it were, out of the whole series.

It kills my drive to play this game, the two previous ones, and any future ones knowing that all roads inevitably lead to the technicolor yawn that stands in place of a reasonable conclusion.

[Skydiver8888]

Oh, I actually agree with you, to a point. I really want to play an NG+, for achievements, etc. And I miss playing my vanguard (god, it's so fun, mechanically). So i've been playing multiplayer (ugh, i know, right)

But I, too, cannot bring myself to start a new playthrough knowing what's coming.

But that being said, where I diverge is that i still have hope, and i'm withholding judgement until after the 6th. Because I'm pretty sure EAware has a plan, and has had said plan for a while. We just don't have any clue what it is, lol.

[Robhuzz]

Red Dust wrote...

Yellow ending DLC.

The super saiyan ending? Yeah they'll add that after they add a bunch of DLC (1600 BioWare points a piece of course) so you can get your EMS to OVER 9000!

[Ultra Prism]

keeping the save for what ... dead shepard ... i don't want to play other characters .. I want to be me
SHEPARD

[cutegigi]

Skydiver8888 wrote...


well, your point isn't my point.  Funny thing about interpretation.

I guess i'm really speaking in a much more general sense than ONLY ME3.  Games have always and will always be made with future expansion or DLC in mind, even planned.  To think otherwise, for ANY game, is naive and the indignation in many of the posts is...silly.

If DLC contains new stories, quests, map packs, appearances, whatever, then why not more of the main story?  why not the *actual* ending?  (*cough* Throne of Bhaal) 

I guess what i'm saying is the crying over buying an "incomplete" product really is pointless.  every modern game could be considered "incomplete" because if you know ANYTHING about the way games are developed (and I do) you know that content expansion is planned for and written in advance.  WELL in advance. 

Again. 
If ME3 is of same quality with BG2..... nobody (of significant number) will complain.
If DLC will be same quality with ToB.... *I* will not cry incompletes. Im sure other wont too. 

[Phobius9]

ME3 is a complete game. It has a beginning (Reapers attack Earth) Middle (assembling the fleets/Crucible) and End (Fleets attack, Shepard destroys the Reapers). Regardless of the perceived plot holes and inconsistencies, there is an end. It's not like you're mid way through the Rannoch mission and it just abruptly crash cuts into the credits. This is not The Sopranoes: Space Edition. 

It may not be the ending you wanted, but and ending it is none the less - saying that ME3 is an incomplete game is just wrong.

Modifié par Phobius9, 04 avril 2012 - 09:30 .