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[Hunter_Wolf]

Whybother wrote...

I'm trying to think what Bioware could have in store for us.

Mass Effect 3: Episode 1/2/3 

I'm tellin' ya. Been calling it since day 1 aftering beating it. The ending is too obscure to be purposefully left as it was.


Granted, I am not comfortable with this prediction either. I think it's a terrible business model and shows some lack of respect for the consumer base. This ends up encouraging developers to make a game half finished while charging full price. It should be the opposite, I'll pay full price for a full game. Or low price of a half finished one. Never compromise.

Modifié par Hunter_Wolf, 04 avril 2012 - 09:32 .

[B3ckett]

I think there was a mistake.
.
"If fans knew what we hand in store for them, they would keep their savings on their accounts, instead of buying Collector's Edition".

Or smth like that

But seriously - I think they were talking about Omega DLC, which can be quite fine. They just didn't know then how we adore the endings.

[Catroi]

Tiax Rules All wrote...

all these negative comments
ORRRR
maybe it IS something awesome.

highly improbable as that tweet was sent 2 days before the real sh*tstorm began...

[Shepard Wins]

How about a brown ending. You know, a proper sh**ty one.

[Azmahoony]

They could always.. just tell us?

[Hogge87]

lordofdogtown19 wrote...

Red Dust wrote...

Yellow ending DLC.

Nah man yellow doesn't have enough artistic value. It's gonna be purple

Naw man, it's going to be a brown ending.

I heard from a very reliable source that the Crucible was a device designed to create the illusive Brown note. So when Shepard turns it on, a signal containing the brown note will be sent across Reaper frequencies, and all the Reapers will c**p themselves and die from embarassment.


On a more serious note (pun not intended), I'm looking forward to what DLC we're going to get. I'd really love an Omega pack (but only if Aria becomes a squaddie. Kudos if she becomes a LI).

[dorktainian]

Hunter_Wolf wrote...

Whybother wrote...

I'm trying to think what Bioware could have in store for us.

Mass Effect 3: Episode 1/2/3 

I'm tellin' ya. Been calling it since day 1 aftering beating it. The ending is too obscure to be purposefully left as it was.

At first I thought....'no way' then again the more I think about it the more this actually makes sense.  

[MadRabbit999]

Well, if indoctrination is true then, you all have been successfully trolled.

Some would see this unforgivable of BW, but I would be really happy if they pulled this on us... it is original.. no company has ever fooled their player base by making believe they got the endings, and then later pulled out the "Nope, the game isn't over yet" card.

I wasn't angry at all about the endings, maybe that is why I do not mind this possible move, but to be honest, I have a life, and got lots on my mind to stress about, and do not have the enrgy to dedicate myself into hating something that entertained my for hundreds of hours.

[UrgentArchengel]

Reach in a skittles bag and get your random ending DLC.

[Occulo]

MadRabbit999 wrote...
Well, if indoctrination is true then, you all have been successfully trolled.

Some would see this unforgivable of BW, but I would be really happy if they pulled this on us... it is original.. no company has ever fooled their player base by making believe they got the endings, and then later pulled out the "Nope, the game isn't over yet" card.

"Oh, yeah, the game you bought a month ago? We knowingly didn't give you the whole thing and cut out the end! Wasn't that clever? Here's the rest of the game that you paid for. Originality!"

DLC? That's fine with me. Cutting out a core part of the game to make it DLC? Not fine.

[ryuasiu]

Hunter_Wolf wrote...

Whybother wrote...

I'm trying to think what Bioware could have in store for us.

Mass Effect 3: Episode 1/2/3 

I'm tellin' ya. Been calling it since day 1 aftering beating it. The ending is too obscure to be purposefully left as it was.


Granted, I am not comfortable with this prediction either. I think it's a terrible business model and shows some lack of respect for the consumer base. This ends up encouraging developers to make a game half finished while charging full price. It should be the opposite, I'll pay full price for a full game. Or low price of a half finished one. Never compromise.

I have been saying something simular as well.The pattern is there hidden in the data. We could still be wrong about this but I dont think we are and they will problably just say this is the plan without revealing exact DLC plans at PAX.

As far as ME3 doing this I am a bit forgiving since the game was like 35 hours longer, about ten hours longer for me than the previous 2 games (both usually about 25 hours). However it worries me that the industry on the whole will get an example from this just like they did for 'project $10'

[milena87]

AaronXR wrote...

They could always.. just tell us?

What is this? A reasonable argument? How dare you?!

[liggy002]

It's probably something great that no one would expect. Or, they do expect some of it, but not all of it. I think that they will go the extra mile here. Everyone is just so damn negative about it all. I don't entirely blame them after the release of the bad ending, but a little positivity will go a long way.

Modifié par liggy002, 04 avril 2012 - 10:05 .

[Versidious]

Hunter_Wolf wrote...

Whybother wrote...

I'm trying to think what Bioware could have in store for us.

Mass Effect 3: Episode 1/2/3 

I'm tellin' ya. Been calling it since day 1 aftering beating it. The ending is too obscure to be purposefully left as it was.


Granted, I am not comfortable with this prediction either. I think it's a terrible business model and shows some lack of respect for the consumer base. This ends up encouraging developers to make a game half finished while charging full price. It should be the opposite, I'll pay full price for a full game. Or low price of a half finished one. Never compromise.

I dunno. I think that it was a great way of progressing Half Life 2 (Or was, until Valve realised they had no effing clue how to finish it). You can't deny that Mass Effect 3 was long enough to be a full product, despite the atrocity of the ending and all of the shortcuts/missed opportunities they had, and there is an issue with development time and cost vs product returns. For the kind of quality Bioware has reached these days, it muct be quite expensive to delay release significantly if you're not also putting up the cost of the finished product and losing buzz during development time.

That being said, I don't think that's what they're doing. The end of the game as it stands implies that that *is* the end, as it takes you straight back to before the final sequence, and all but tells you that this is how you will build up Shepard's 'legend', by doing things *before* dying to save the galaxy from the Reapers. They likely just mean that they think that some of the DLC they have planned is really good, and will really cater to fan preferences, eg Tali's face etc.

Modifié par Versidious, 04 avril 2012 - 12:24 .

[MadRabbit999]

Occulo wrote...

MadRabbit999 wrote...
Well, if indoctrination is true then, you all have been successfully trolled.

Some would see this unforgivable of BW, but I would be really happy if they pulled this on us... it is original.. no company has ever fooled their player base by making believe they got the endings, and then later pulled out the "Nope, the game isn't over yet" card.

"Oh, yeah, the game you bought a month ago? We knowingly didn't give you the whole thing and cut out the end! Wasn't that clever? Here's the rest of the game that you paid for. Originality!"

DLC? That's fine with me. Cutting out a core part of the game to make it DLC? Not fine.

That's not how I see it, that is your opinion.

They have released the Shadow Broker after I finished ME2 about 10 times... so for me that expansions was "mhe" I do not care.. game is over anyways... it makes more sense that the game is not over, so your DLC are more worth getting.

Why bothering getting a DLC if the game is over and there is nothing else left to do?

Fallout 3 and Oblivion did this successfully, their expansions were worth getting if you enjoyed the game, because it would constinue the story and add to it.

If one of the DLC has about another combat scene where you need to fight the final reaper, I will welcome that and thank them for doing so.. not whine how it wasn't there to begin with... DLC are max £10 and I make way more  than that in 1 hour work, so I can waste it to expand a game I already love, and do not say "it is not about money" because that is BS.. it is totally about money ,because if it was free you would not be whining about it.

Modifié par MadRabbit999, 04 avril 2012 - 10:19 .

[Wes Finley]

Phobius9 wrote...
It may not be the ending you wanted, but and ending it is none the less - saying that ME3 is an incomplete game is just wrong.

Ignoring the massed fleets over Earth stranded by the Relays exploding...

Ignoring The Normandy's bizarre escape and crash landing in all endings...

Ignoring the contradictions introduced by the Star Child...

The bit where Shephard takes a breath and then smash cuts to black in certain endings doesn't strike you in the least as "HA HA, THERE'S MORE AND WE KNOW YOU WANT IT, SUCKER"?

Modifié par Wes Finley, 04 avril 2012 - 10:22 .

[leewells]

Red Dust wrote...

Yellow ending DLC.

I honestly thought the 3rd pill was a bit too much.  Oh wait, I'm cross my cleche endings.

[Phobius9]

Wes Finley wrote...

Phobius9 wrote...
It may not be the ending you wanted, but and ending it is none the less - saying that ME3 is an incomplete game is just wrong.

Ignoring the massed fleets over Earth stranded by the Relays exploding...

Ignoring The Normandy's bizarre escape and crash landing in all endings...

Ignoring the contradictions introduced by the Star Child...

The bit where Shephard takes a breath and then smash cuts to black in certain endings doesn't strike you in the least as "HA HA, THERE'S MORE AND WE KNOW YOU WANT IT, SUCKER"?

You're missing my point. I'm being pedantic here, perhapes, but the game ends. The story is over. It may have a cliff-hanger ending, yes there may be more DLC that adds to the story in some way at some point in the future. But the game that came on your disc in finished. Over. Ended. There is nothing more to play after that final scene. The story, such as it is, in wrapped up. There is closure - it's just that the glareing plot holes tend to obscure it. If there was nothing else the to Mass Effect series ever again we would still have closure - Shepard is dead (or is he?) the Relays are destroyed, the fleet is stranded and the Reapers have been stopped. I'm not saying how we got to this destination makes sense or is even right destination, but here we are.

ME3 has an end. It is a complete game, maybe not a perfect one, but a complete one none the less. Therefore I stand by my argument - saying it's 'incomplete' is just wrong. Let's not confuse 'this isn't the ending I wanted' with 'there is no ending'.

Modifié par Phobius9, 04 avril 2012 - 10:32 .

[KingKhan03]

Phobius9 wrote...

Wes Finley wrote...

Phobius9 wrote...
It may not be the ending you wanted, but and ending it is none the less - saying that ME3 is an incomplete game is just wrong.

Ignoring the massed fleets over Earth stranded by the Relays exploding...

Ignoring The Normandy's bizarre escape and crash landing in all endings...

Ignoring the contradictions introduced by the Star Child...

The bit where Shephard takes a breath and then smash cuts to black in certain endings doesn't strike you in the least as "HA HA, THERE'S MORE AND WE KNOW YOU WANT IT, SUCKER"?

You're missing my point. I'm being pedantic here, perhapes, but the game ends. The story is over. It may have a cliff-hanger ending, yes there may be more DLC that adds to the story in some way at some point in the future. But the game that came on your disc in finished. Over. Ended. There is nothing more to play after that final scene. The story, such as it is, in wrapped up. There is closure - it's just that the glareing plot holes tend to obscure it. If there was nothing else the to Mass Effect series ever again we would still have closure - Shepard is dead (or is he?) the Relays are destroyed, the fleet is stranded and the Reapers have been stopped. I'm not saying how we got to this destination makes sense or is even right destination, but here we are.

ME3 has an end. It is a complete game, maybe not a perfect one, but a complete one none the less. Therefore I stand by my argument - saying it's 'incomplete' is just wrong.

I think when people say incomplete they don't mean it literally. The lack of elaboration is appalling really for a 3rd game of a trilogy unless there planning to make a 4th this ending is just confusing and just an incoherent mess.

Modifié par KingKhan03, 04 avril 2012 - 10:34 .

[2Shepards]

I'll pull a Bioware

A- Multiplayer map
B- Outfits
C- Mission

OR

Stay to the higher standards you have set for yourself Bioware and fix the ending.

[Phobius9]

KingKhan03 wrote...

I think when people say incomplete they don't mean it literally.

Sure, I get that. But then you cannot at the same time argue that Bioware lied and sold an incomplete product when that product is not, in fact, incomplete. Semantics maybe, but I just think we need to be a bit more rational about the arguements we level against Bioware sometimes.

[KingKhan03]

Phobius9 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

I think when people say incomplete they don't mean it literally.

Sure, I get that. But then you cannot at the same time argue that Bioware lied and sold an incomplete product when that product is not, in fact, incomplete. Semantics maybe, but I just think we need to be a bit more rational about the arguements we level against Bioware sometimes.

I agree for the most part but you do have to understand the complaints alot of people have with the endings for example how the rachni would play a big part and how it wouldn't just be an a,b,c ending are valid complaints.

Modifié par KingKhan03, 04 avril 2012 - 10:37 .

[DamonD7]

Must be frustrating to have to keep a lid on stuff, mind.

Particularly when it's stuff you've spent months thinking about and working on, and now the whole ending controversy has come rushing along and threatening to sweep away any chance for your own DLC project to shine.

[Phobius9]

KingKhan03 wrote...

Phobius9 wrote...

KingKhan03 wrote...

I think when people say incomplete they don't mean it literally.

Sure, I get that. But then you cannot at the same time argue that Bioware lied and sold an incomplete product when that product is not, in fact, incomplete. Semantics maybe, but I just think we need to be a bit more rational about the arguements we level against Bioware sometimes.

I agree for the most part but you do have to understand the complaints alot of people have with the endings for example how the rachni would play a big part and how it wouldn't just be an a,b,c ending are valid complaints.

Obsolutely. I completely understand where the complaints are coming from, and even agree with the majority of them. But Bioware are more likely to listen to those issues and maybe even address them if they are done so in a way that is not wrapped up in hyperbole. In my opinion any debate needs to be kept rational in order to be effective. This whole 'ME3 is incomplete!' issue is something I've seen bouncing around for a while now, and I thought I'd just weigh in with my own thoughts. I'm not looking to start another arguement, and certainly not trying to degrade the greviances that some people have over the endings, I'd like to make that clear.

[dorktainian]

DamonD7 wrote...

Must be frustrating to have to keep a lid on stuff, mind.

Particularly when it's stuff you've spent months thinking about and working on, and now the whole ending controversy has come rushing along and threatening to sweep away any chance for your own DLC project to shine.

But there is no ending.......  the last 10 minutes are a joke.