Failure
Do you consider the ME3 ending "bittersweet" or massive failure?.
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#77
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 04:18
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XJ347 wrote...
Geneaux486 wrote...
It's bittersweet. Sacrifice to achieve victory.
Define victory...
Lost the relays for sure, possibly the planets too. Even if the planets did survive, with no transportation of food = mass starvation for most of the universe. Your friends are stranded, and are going to die alone.
Shepard dies or will die of blood loss shortly because of story fiat...
Looks like a failure to me...
Shepard/ Reapers? what is the difference? Everyones dead anyways.
Control or Synthesis endings bode much better. Reapers either rebuild Mass Relays to help organics because Shepard's will is now theirs, or they rebuild Mass Relays because they need to return home as much as everyone else. Either way, there's plenty of reason to think things can get better.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 04:18
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Add my voice to the "failure" argument. As has been said, bittersweet are the choices made earlier and the consequences as they played out on Rannoch and Tuchanka. The end was not even bitter, just miserable and cheap.
FS3D - spot on, but please dont put the thought of killing off more characters in the devs minds please!
Still reeling from the loss of Legion, Mordin Thane and the trillion or so you already mentioned, especially Thessia (the horror...).
FS3D - spot on, but please dont put the thought of killing off more characters in the devs minds please!
Still reeling from the loss of Legion, Mordin Thane and the trillion or so you already mentioned, especially Thessia (the horror...).
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 04:25
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It started off as bittersweet, then became confusing, then it became bizzare.
I was left feeling empty. Like I had been fooled, I had come all this way on this long journey, and BW/EA was pointing and laughing.
I didn't even understand what had happened until I replayed it and thought about it. I talked about it with friends, trying to figure out what the ending was about. The more we talked and thought, the less sense it made.
Now I'm just dissapointed and angry.
I was left feeling empty. Like I had been fooled, I had come all this way on this long journey, and BW/EA was pointing and laughing.
I didn't even understand what had happened until I replayed it and thought about it. I talked about it with friends, trying to figure out what the ending was about. The more we talked and thought, the less sense it made.
Now I'm just dissapointed and angry.
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#83
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 04:26
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4stringwizard wrote...
To call it "bittersweet", there would actually have to be something sweet to the ending. But there's nothing.
Massive failure is the only way to describe it.
Yup. The entire "victory" had little to do with Shepard and more to do with the Star Child deciding not to let Shep bleed out on the floor. Then force Shep to make one of three terrible choices.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 04:27
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Grab the "failure" part and stamp a "Massive" on it.
Seriously thou, the ending to the third game managed to:
Negate any enjoyment to be had from the whole trilogy.
Have as many plotholes as the 3 games joined in the span of 5 minutes.
Be completely identical no matter what "ending" you chose, color blind people will never see the differences.
Not provide any closure.
Alienate a part of BWs fanbase. I wont say most or great just out of respect for the ones who disagree.
Be completely out of character and a masterpiece in "bad writting".
I could go on, but no matter what, this ending has made history, like a disgusting stain in the minds of those who experienced it and in the industry, 10 years from today, pretty sure whenever a game as a crap ending people will still say "Better than ME3 ending!" or "They managed to pull a ME3 with that ending!".
Seriously thou, the ending to the third game managed to:
Negate any enjoyment to be had from the whole trilogy.
Have as many plotholes as the 3 games joined in the span of 5 minutes.
Be completely identical no matter what "ending" you chose, color blind people will never see the differences.
Not provide any closure.
Alienate a part of BWs fanbase. I wont say most or great just out of respect for the ones who disagree.
Be completely out of character and a masterpiece in "bad writting".
I could go on, but no matter what, this ending has made history, like a disgusting stain in the minds of those who experienced it and in the industry, 10 years from today, pretty sure whenever a game as a crap ending people will still say "Better than ME3 ending!" or "They managed to pull a ME3 with that ending!".
#86
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 04:28
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Failure. Pirates of the Caribbean was a bittersweet ending done right.
#90
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 04:31
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Geneaux486 wrote...
XJ347 wrote...
Geneaux486 wrote...
It's bittersweet. Sacrifice to achieve victory.
Define victory...
Lost the relays for sure, possibly the planets too. Even if the planets did survive, with no transportation of food = mass starvation for most of the universe. Your friends are stranded, and are going to die alone.
Shepard dies or will die of blood loss shortly because of story fiat...
Looks like a failure to me...
Shepard/ Reapers? what is the difference? Everyones dead anyways.
Control or Synthesis endings bode much better. Reapers either rebuild Mass Relays to help organics because Shepard's will is now theirs, or they rebuild Mass Relays because they need to return home as much as everyone else. Either way, there's plenty of reason to think things can get better.
It doesn't say Shepard becomes immortal or controls the Reapers forever. My stupid Prima Offical Game Guide said he dies. I watched the video with starchild five times and he just doesn't give you much infomation. It is painful. Maybe this just needs someone from BioWare to clarify. I hate to guess.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 04:31
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Massive failure. I fully expected Shepard to die and was ok with it assuming the end justified the sacrifice. The starchild turned the Reapers from evil villains to misunderstood forces of nature. The destruction of the Mass Relays and the Citadel makes the inter-species alliances pointless. At this point I want the starchild to give us a "Let the Reapers win" option because the other endings were not satisfying in the least.
#92
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 04:31
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It's like going to stop the reapers, then doing so by killing 99% of the survivors of the war and shattering the peace you've created between the races as they begin to fight over resources. **** this ****. Fighting to the last would be far more satisfying. When extinction in battle is preferable to the current ending, you know it's bad.
#93
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 04:33
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Geneaux486 wrote...
XJ347 wrote...
Geneaux486 wrote...
It's bittersweet. Sacrifice to achieve victory.
Define victory...
Lost the relays for sure, possibly the planets too. Even if the planets did survive, with no transportation of food = mass starvation for most of the universe. Your friends are stranded, and are going to die alone.
Shepard dies or will die of blood loss shortly because of story fiat...
Looks like a failure to me...
Shepard/ Reapers? what is the difference? Everyones dead anyways.
Control or Synthesis endings bode much better. Reapers either rebuild Mass Relays to help organics because Shepard's will is now theirs, or they rebuild Mass Relays because they need to return home as much as everyone else. Either way, there's plenty of reason to think things can get better.
Yes. Assuming starchild isn't lying, which he obviously is. Control = brilliant, worked so well for the illusive man. Synthesis = too idiotic and unethical to even be considered. Destroy is the only ending that any sane person would pick given that impossible situation.
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 04:33
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ghostbusters101 wrote...
Geneaux486 wrote...
XJ347 wrote...
Geneaux486 wrote...
It's bittersweet. Sacrifice to achieve victory.
Define victory...
Lost the relays for sure, possibly the planets too. Even if the planets did survive, with no transportation of food = mass starvation for most of the universe. Your friends are stranded, and are going to die alone.
Shepard dies or will die of blood loss shortly because of story fiat...
Looks like a failure to me...
Shepard/ Reapers? what is the difference? Everyones dead anyways.
Control or Synthesis endings bode much better. Reapers either rebuild Mass Relays to help organics because Shepard's will is now theirs, or they rebuild Mass Relays because they need to return home as much as everyone else. Either way, there's plenty of reason to think things can get better.
It doesn't say Shepard becomes immortal or controls the Reapers forever. My stupid Prima Offical Game Guide said he dies. I watched the video with starchild five times and he just doesn't give you much infomation. It is painful. Maybe this just needs someone from BioWare to clarify. I hate to guess.
Its worse than that "You will lose all that you are(have?)" i believe is the line.... (following is based on the fact that you somehow control the reapers beyond the grave) What does this mean? Is shepard going to lose their mind... so cycle continues? "All that you are(have?)" sounds like "lol just wait ... in 50k years you will be good to go for another cycle"
#96
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 04:35
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Bioware forgot to add sweet part to the bitter part.
#97
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 04:37
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Yeah, that says it right there... only it might be giving the ending too much credit.
#98
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 04:37
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It really does suck.Quietness wrote...
ghostbusters101 wrote...
Geneaux486 wrote...
XJ347 wrote...
Geneaux486 wrote...
It's bittersweet. Sacrifice to achieve victory.
Define victory...
Lost the relays for sure, possibly the planets too. Even if the planets did survive, with no transportation of food = mass starvation for most of the universe. Your friends are stranded, and are going to die alone.
Shepard dies or will die of blood loss shortly because of story fiat...
Looks like a failure to me...
Shepard/ Reapers? what is the difference? Everyones dead anyways.
Control or Synthesis endings bode much better. Reapers either rebuild Mass Relays to help organics because Shepard's will is now theirs, or they rebuild Mass Relays because they need to return home as much as everyone else. Either way, there's plenty of reason to think things can get better.
It doesn't say Shepard becomes immortal or controls the Reapers forever. My stupid Prima Offical Game Guide said he dies. I watched the video with starchild five times and he just doesn't give you much infomation. It is painful. Maybe this just needs someone from BioWare to clarify. I hate to guess.
Its worse than that "You will lose all that you are(have?)" i believe is the line.... (following is based on the fact that you somehow control the reapers beyond the grave) What does this mean? Is shepard going to lose their mind... so cycle continues? "All that you are(have?)" sounds like "lol just wait ... in 50k years you will be good to go for another cycle"
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Posté 04 avril 2012 - 04:44
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I consider the endings of ME3 to be contrived. The only ending that really works when you get down to the logic is the Control ending and that isn't explained at all in the game other then TIM couldn't do it because the Reapers already control him. So you have to assert that there is a means to control them but all it shows you is Shepard electrocuting himself. Synthesis creates Keeper clones and destruction leaves you wondering what the N7 person is doing sitting in the rubble.
Honestly with how deviated the story has gotten from ME1 - ME3 there is no way the endings of ME3 is going to ever end well.
Honestly with how deviated the story has gotten from ME1 - ME3 there is no way the endings of ME3 is going to ever end well.
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#100
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 04:46
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Not just bitter... sadistic... no sweet... just, bittersadistic. The folks that thought this ending was good (lots of speculation for everyone!) need to reach deep into their soul and ask themselves why they thought it was a good idea to ruin the day of millions of people.
Dudes, karma. If not for us, do it for your own karma. You literally caused millions of hours of anguish with your 'clever' ideas... time to make it right.
Seriously, the anguish represented in these forums represents literally millions of hours of people's lives brought down by the profoundly negative ending of Mass Effect 3. The average human lifetime is less than 700,000 hours... this means that two individuals (primarily) are responsible for preventing a minimum of three lifetimes worth of joy.
You can right the balance... erase the debt... by bringing about at least as much joy in the future. I have a glimmer of hope that this is already well under way. I guess we'll find out in a few days.
I don't think you are evil people - I just think you were led astray temporarily. All will be well soon.
Dudes, karma. If not for us, do it for your own karma. You literally caused millions of hours of anguish with your 'clever' ideas... time to make it right.
Seriously, the anguish represented in these forums represents literally millions of hours of people's lives brought down by the profoundly negative ending of Mass Effect 3. The average human lifetime is less than 700,000 hours... this means that two individuals (primarily) are responsible for preventing a minimum of three lifetimes worth of joy.
You can right the balance... erase the debt... by bringing about at least as much joy in the future. I have a glimmer of hope that this is already well under way. I guess we'll find out in a few days.
I don't think you are evil people - I just think you were led astray temporarily. All will be well soon.
Modifié par hardermob5, 04 avril 2012 - 05:06 .
