Calling it 'massive failure' would be like calling The Empire Strikes Back 'just a movie'.
Do you consider the ME3 ending "bittersweet" or massive failure?.
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#202
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:18
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Massive failure would indicate the ending fitted the story but was just poorly executed. It didn't fail as much as it just didn't make any sense. Having the starchild scene replaced by the picture of a turd would've made just as much sense.
#203
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:21
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massive failure is an euphemism. It is completely disconnected from the rest of the trilogy, and it was for me completely unexpected. Left me in depression state since, I can't get over it. Damn, my life is so pathetic !
#204
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:24
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AlexiusDAlex wrote...
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're trolling.ThePanzer99 wrote...
tobito113 wrote...
I seriously have no clue why you guys think its fun repeating the same tread over and over and over and over again, dosent the echo chamber in this forums gets annoying for you?
The better question is, if these threads bother you so much why do you keep posting in them?
Trolls be trollin.
It's a valid question that has to do with the topic at hand.
Ok, then why don't you answer his question? Unless you're just concern trolling.
#205
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:29
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You want a bittersweet ending? Play Bioshock, or Bioshock 2.
Both had very satisfying, and bittersweet endings.
Both had very satisfying, and bittersweet endings.
#208
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:36
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Massive failure... but again, I still think we're in for a big surprise.
Think positive !
Think positive !
#209
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:41
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Haargel wrote...
but again, I still think we're in for a big surprise.
A 10$ DLC with "clarification" and text epilogue?
#210
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:41
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@ Haargel - After the offal that was dropped on my head with the ending of ME3, I find there is little reason to be "positive", especially after listening to BW/CH's response about "artistic integrity" for the ending.
#211
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:43
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If WWII ended with ALL major cities destroyed and left billions in the world without means of traveling internationally, would you call that bittersweet? Nope.
You'd find out who was responsible for that and call him the biggest failure to ever grace the earth.
You'd find out who was responsible for that and call him the biggest failure to ever grace the earth.
#212
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:44
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tobito113 wrote...
I seriously have no clue why you guys think its fun repeating the same tread over and over and over and over again, dosent the echo chamber in this forums gets annoying for you?
I hope there are a lot more threads of similar nature. It needs to be said. The ending is just that bad and I don't think they get it.. Maybe if enough of us repeat it they'll finally get it. IT'S BAD IN EVERY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. There's nothing good, or bittersweet about it. But if you don't like this thread then simply move on. I'm certainly not forcing anything on you.
#213
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:46
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Damn, you're daft. Call it whatever you want, his question still holds.ThePanzer99 wrote...
AlexiusDAlex wrote...
Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they're trolling.ThePanzer99 wrote...
tobito113 wrote...
I seriously have no clue why you guys think its fun repeating the same tread over and over and over and over again, dosent the echo chamber in this forums gets annoying for you?
The better question is, if these threads bother you so much why do you keep posting in them?
Trolls be trollin.
It's a valid question that has to do with the topic at hand.
Ok, then why don't you answer his question? Unless you're just concern trolling.
I'll answer gladly: Yes, it is annoying to see the same threads respawning over and over again.
And to the OP's question: It was supposed to be bittersweet, I see that, but it had horrible execution and now it doesn't make sense in the least.
#215
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:48
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The ending is a massive failure. It is just bad writing. First you introduce a character at the last minute that was not forshadowed (or at the very best forshadowed poorly). This new character tells you stuff that is contradictory to the world you are playing in. Let's list them.
1. To keep organics from being killed by synthetics, synthetics were created to kill organics every 50,000 years. This is just plain bad writing. For anyone at Bioware not to see this and to still defend this plot is simply staggering. Even just shifting it to the 50,000 year cycle as a way for Reapers to exand their population would make better sense.
2. "All synthetic life will always try to kill organic life," is just not proven with the obvious choices of the Geth/Quarians. The Geth state point blank that they never wished to harm the Quarians. They only acted in self defense. Also, EDI is willing to help organics.
3. The 3 almost identical endings. Sure they were color coded, but functionally they were the same. Granted at this stage, one could almost expect this as it accomplished the task of taking care of the Reapers. However without seeing the outcomes of each of the different colored choices each becomes meaningless and identical. How will Synthesis play out? How long can we control the Reapers? How will killing all synthetics work out, especially for the Quarians? Without finding this out, we lose all the information that makes our past decisions meaningful.
4. Our choices don't matter. This was taken away by the Star Child. We just did what he told us to do. All personal choice was taken away. We had no meaningful dialog, and in fact most of the dialog was taken out of our hands. Also what was said in 3. Without knowing how things turned out, we have no context for any of our decisions making the ending very dissatisfying.
5. Mass Relays blowing up. Ok, despite the already given evidence in Arrival that blowing up a mass relay will take out the system it's in, killing all life, I can't figure out why the mass relays should be destroyed. What good story reason does it make? Without the mass relays people are stuck where they are until they can develop something else. While this is good, it doesn't help those stuck on Earth. It basically pushes the galaxy into a Dark Age.
The ending is just bad writing and needs to be fixed, not clarified. I find it incredible that Bioware can't see this, instead going into defensive, "I don't want to hear complaints," fingers in ear going "Lalalalalalala" mode.
1. To keep organics from being killed by synthetics, synthetics were created to kill organics every 50,000 years. This is just plain bad writing. For anyone at Bioware not to see this and to still defend this plot is simply staggering. Even just shifting it to the 50,000 year cycle as a way for Reapers to exand their population would make better sense.
2. "All synthetic life will always try to kill organic life," is just not proven with the obvious choices of the Geth/Quarians. The Geth state point blank that they never wished to harm the Quarians. They only acted in self defense. Also, EDI is willing to help organics.
3. The 3 almost identical endings. Sure they were color coded, but functionally they were the same. Granted at this stage, one could almost expect this as it accomplished the task of taking care of the Reapers. However without seeing the outcomes of each of the different colored choices each becomes meaningless and identical. How will Synthesis play out? How long can we control the Reapers? How will killing all synthetics work out, especially for the Quarians? Without finding this out, we lose all the information that makes our past decisions meaningful.
4. Our choices don't matter. This was taken away by the Star Child. We just did what he told us to do. All personal choice was taken away. We had no meaningful dialog, and in fact most of the dialog was taken out of our hands. Also what was said in 3. Without knowing how things turned out, we have no context for any of our decisions making the ending very dissatisfying.
5. Mass Relays blowing up. Ok, despite the already given evidence in Arrival that blowing up a mass relay will take out the system it's in, killing all life, I can't figure out why the mass relays should be destroyed. What good story reason does it make? Without the mass relays people are stuck where they are until they can develop something else. While this is good, it doesn't help those stuck on Earth. It basically pushes the galaxy into a Dark Age.
The ending is just bad writing and needs to be fixed, not clarified. I find it incredible that Bioware can't see this, instead going into defensive, "I don't want to hear complaints," fingers in ear going "Lalalalalalala" mode.
#216
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:49
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It was a massive failure, pure and simple.
#217
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 12:58
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To OP: Seriously, the worst ending of ANYTHING (book, movie, video game, whatever) I have never experienced. The WORST, by far.
#218
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:03
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This endings should replace the image of George W. Bush, if you google for "miserable failure"!!!
#219
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:12
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The endings are a massive failure.
Bittersweet is sad with a sense of hope. There is no hope in the end of ME. You essentially bow to the will of a Reaper construct and accept the choices he presents to you. All the logical conclusions you can draw from the endings as the game presents them are pretty much bad, and in two of the endings, you die while the Reapers themselves live.
Bittersweet is when the hero dies, but his LI ends of pregnant and a small part of him carries on.
Bittersweet is when the LI dies, but his love is liberated from her previous bad life to live a life of freedom and filfillment even if it is without him.
Bittersweet is when the hero clearly wins but at such a cost that he never really feels the joy of that victory even though others around him clearly do.
Bittersweet is when the hero wins at the cost of his own life but is reunited with his wife and son in death, and you see their reunion in the fields of Elysium.
Isaw none of those sweet elements in the ending of ME only tons of bitter made worse by all the well-reasoned speculation put forward by the fans.
Bittersweet is sad with a sense of hope. There is no hope in the end of ME. You essentially bow to the will of a Reaper construct and accept the choices he presents to you. All the logical conclusions you can draw from the endings as the game presents them are pretty much bad, and in two of the endings, you die while the Reapers themselves live.
Bittersweet is when the hero dies, but his LI ends of pregnant and a small part of him carries on.
Bittersweet is when the LI dies, but his love is liberated from her previous bad life to live a life of freedom and filfillment even if it is without him.
Bittersweet is when the hero clearly wins but at such a cost that he never really feels the joy of that victory even though others around him clearly do.
Bittersweet is when the hero wins at the cost of his own life but is reunited with his wife and son in death, and you see their reunion in the fields of Elysium.
Isaw none of those sweet elements in the ending of ME only tons of bitter made worse by all the well-reasoned speculation put forward by the fans.
#221
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:33
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"Do you consider the ME3 ending "bittersweet" or massive failure?."
I can't answer that question. It is a false choice. The answer I can give is it's incomplete. It's underdeveloped. It felt like something someone scribled on the back of a napkin at the last minute then tossed it at a dev and said "maek this lol"... and I'm holding back my true impressions about this whole afair...
I can't answer that question. It is a false choice. The answer I can give is it's incomplete. It's underdeveloped. It felt like something someone scribled on the back of a napkin at the last minute then tossed it at a dev and said "maek this lol"... and I'm holding back my true impressions about this whole afair...
#223
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:41
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The end scene with Anderson. That is bettersweet. Everything after that is just bitter.
#224
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:42
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Worst fail in any medium I have ever witnessed. And this is coming from a guy that watched the Voyager finale. ZING
#225
Posté 04 avril 2012 - 01:43
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You know when you have that adorable child making jello for the first time? They're so cute and trying so hard. You make sure everything is done right and they're having fun.
Yet the mold comes out looking goofy and tastes horrible even though all you guys did was add hot water to some powder?
That's the ending of Mass Effect 3.
Yet the mold comes out looking goofy and tastes horrible even though all you guys did was add hot water to some powder?
That's the ending of Mass Effect 3.
