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[floppypig]

 Or listen to most of the things that I'm reading in the "suggested changes" thread. Most of the ideas there are really just terrible. 

In fact, most of them concern adding whole new missions and changing fundamental things in the game?? If you took their advice, you'd be making an entirely new game... 

I'm all for a new dlc that will bring more closure and *expand* on the ending - (what happened to the crew etc etc), but changing it would just be stupid. 

You should never let fans decide how something should end. Never. And apart from the fact that the ending feels like it wasn't really an ending - in terms of the lack of closure - there was nothing wrong with it.

Let me ask you this. If we had the same endings as we do now, but everything was simply more fleshed out and explained and major plot-holes were cleared up (like what the point of the human-reaper at the end of ME2 was) would anyone really have any issue with the endings?

I know I wouldn't. 

Bioware, don't change the ending - (tbh, I'm pretty sure you have enough sense not too). Definitely add to it, even if it's just some text that explains what happened to the characters, but that's really as far as you need to go - it wasn't as bad as most people are making it out to be. 

Also, just a side-note. Some of the romances could have been better implemented. Everything kind of felt like it took a backseat to Ashley and Liara. Tbh, Liara was really kinda shoved down our throats as the *main* LI - I mean, even as a friend she seemed closer to my Shep than my LI (Miranda). Just a thought. 

Brilliant work though Bioware. I can easily say Mass Effect 3 is one of the best games I've ever played, second only to Mass Effect 2. Then again, I had to play Mass Effect 2 a few times to really get how brilliant it was so maybe Mass Effect 3 (which I've only played once) will surpass it some day. All in all, great game

[Rogue Unit]

Don't DL the new ending DLC (if there is any) then.

And no ending can possibly be more terrible than what we already have.

[2papercuts]

They've confirmed multiple times it will not be changed

And really it can't get much worse.... Right?

[JBONE27]

I somewhat agree, but the problem is they do a complete turn (at least 90 degrees) in terms of story telling. I think if it ended just before the starchild having Shepard push the button and then went into a cut scene showing how the decisions you've made affected the entire galaxy, it would have been a stronger ending. As it stands there isn't really any difference between the three, which is a huge problem for a game series built around big choices and equally big consequences for said choices.

[floppypig]

2papercuts wrote...

They've confirmed multiple times it will not be changed

And really it can't get much worse.... Right?

Oh really? Oh... good then Happy about that. 

[floppypig]

JBONE27 wrote...

I somewhat agree, but the problem is they do a complete turn (at least 90 degrees) in terms of story telling. I think if it ended just before the starchild having Shepard push the button and then went into a cut scene showing how the decisions you've made affected the entire galaxy, it would have been a stronger ending. As it stands there isn't really any difference between the three, which is a huge problem for a game series built around big choices and equally big consequences for said choices.

No difference? I think there kinda is. I mean green ending is quite different to blue and red. I know what you're getting at in terms of them being too similar. But, in terms of how they affect the future of the mass effect universe, they are quite diverse. For example, you couldn't make a ME4 that incorporated all the endings. No matter how far into the future it was. You would have to choose a canon ending. Blue doesn't change things too much, red does kind of. and green seriously does. I mean, green changes every person in the universe. 

[Hexley UK]

The ending is poorly written, plot hole ridden garbage and should be shot in the head, burned and then ejected out of the airlock.

Then make a new ending that doesn't lower my IQ just by watching it.

Any questions?

[JBONE27]

floppypig wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...

I somewhat agree, but the problem is they do a complete turn (at least 90 degrees) in terms of story telling. I think if it ended just before the starchild having Shepard push the button and then went into a cut scene showing how the decisions you've made affected the entire galaxy, it would have been a stronger ending. As it stands there isn't really any difference between the three, which is a huge problem for a game series built around big choices and equally big consequences for said choices.

No difference? I think there kinda is. I mean green ending is quite different to blue and red. I know what you're getting at in terms of them being too similar. But, in terms of how they affect the future of the mass effect universe, they are quite diverse. For example, you couldn't make a ME4 that incorporated all the endings. No matter how far into the future it was. You would have to choose a canon ending. Blue doesn't change things too much, red does kind of. and green seriously does. I mean, green changes every person in the universe. 

I disagree.  In all three endings the Mass Relays are destroyed.  In all three endings Shepard is likely dead or dying.  In all three endings Joker and two party members imerge on an unknown planet.  In all three endings the father/grandfather/uncle/weird old guy tells the young boy a story.  The only difference between the green and other endings is Joker now has what appears to be cybernetics in his arms.  The only difference between all three is the color of the explosion.

[TheProfessor234]

I hope that whatever they do, it at least makes sense and doesn't feel out of place.

I suppose a better explanation to what they have now could remedy this but ehhh.

Just two more days and some change.

[Darth Malice113]

Whatever they chose to do it needs substantionally less amounts of WTF.

[Xandax]

If Bioware could - somehow - explain the massive inconsistencies and plotholes and teleportations - then I'd be more respectful of them as a developing company.

Doesn't mean they didn't mess over everything themselves and practically lied to people to sell their game and it doesn't change my stance that the endings still are awful and out of place for the game trilogy.

Ideally - I'd like to see them scrap the endings and make something sensible. taking choice and EMS into equation, but I know that's out of the question - so I'm basically just hanging around until I how they try to fix the mess they made.

Modifié par Xandax, 04 avril 2012 - 05:55 .

[Brian.V3]

Actual change won't happen. It can't or that bad precedence that IGN and certain media spout about will come true.

Retconning the ending like Broken Steel did for Fallout 3 is something that should happen and satisfy the take ME3 back movement.

It's that simple that people who are afraid what BioWare will do should really think before posting such nonsense.

[Blooddrunk1004]

Hexley UK wrote...

The ending is poorly written, plot hole ridden garbage and should be shot in the head, burned and then ejected out of the airlock.

Then make a new ending that doesn't lower my IQ just by watching it.

Any questions?

You won the internet sir, i approve.

[Baroo5]

i hope they don't change the ending either but maybe add to it

[PiEman]

Hexley UK wrote...

The ending is poorly written, plot hole ridden garbage and should be shot in the head, burned and then ejected out of the airlock.

Then make a new ending that doesn't lower my IQ just by watching it.

Any questions?

Thank you, kind sirrah.

You have redeemed humanity, and made it worth saving.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Glad you enjoyed it more than I did. And a bit envious. Those endings in my opinion are so bad that it's slowly making me insane.

I guess I am okay with not changing the endings unless they add in a broken steel type of expansion added onto it to make it more satisfying. Because that is what it really needs the most. As they are now is just...BS.

Modifié par Mr.BlazenGlazen, 04 avril 2012 - 06:14 .

[sth128]

OP doesn't even have the game registered. How is he able to post here? I thought you need to register your game before you can make posts here?

[PHub88]

sth128 wrote...

OP doesn't even have the game registered. How is he able to post here? I thought you need to register your game before you can make posts here?

You don't need that for general

[Vesji]

The ending is garbage. Period.
There are countless articles, analysis, high-quality extrapolations and more valuable opinions supporting this claim, which unfortunately, are all spolers, and this is a no ME3 spoiler thread.
If you want to have a discussion about it, add a spoiler warning to the tile of this thread and let us begin.
If not, then people are just going to fight with eachother, without any meaning.


If you do not want the ending changed, that is fine by me.
I don't want Capitalism to exist. So?
Nothing.

The less argumented your opinion is, the less objective it is. The more subjective it is, the less valuable it is.
Your opinion is so badly structured, and expressed, and argumented, that I can't care about it less, OP.

If you want your opinion to be respected, you have to spend more time formulating it, otherwise it will be stuck in the line between stupidity and trolling.

Modifié par Vesji, 04 avril 2012 - 07:08 .

[floppypig]

JBONE27 wrote...

floppypig wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...

I somewhat agree, but the problem is they do a complete turn (at least 90 degrees) in terms of story telling. I think if it ended just before the starchild having Shepard push the button and then went into a cut scene showing how the decisions you've made affected the entire galaxy, it would have been a stronger ending. As it stands there isn't really any difference between the three, which is a huge problem for a game series built around big choices and equally big consequences for said choices.

No difference? I think there kinda is. I mean green ending is quite different to blue and red. I know what you're getting at in terms of them being too similar. But, in terms of how they affect the future of the mass effect universe, they are quite diverse. For example, you couldn't make a ME4 that incorporated all the endings. No matter how far into the future it was. You would have to choose a canon ending. Blue doesn't change things too much, red does kind of. and green seriously does. I mean, green changes every person in the universe. 

I disagree.  In all three endings the Mass Relays are destroyed.  In all three endings Shepard is likely dead or dying.  In all three endings Joker and two party members imerge on an unknown planet.  In all three endings the father/grandfather/uncle/weird old guy tells the young boy a story.  The only difference between the green and other endings is Joker now has what appears to be cybernetics in his arms.  The only difference between all three is the color of the explosion.

Yes ok, agreed. But come on, every person in the galazy being half organic and half synthetic from now on is going to have masssive reprecussions on the galaxy as a whole. If you could look into the future of Joker ten years after, let's say, the blue ending, and then look at it 10 years after the green ending.. I think it's fair to say it will (well, should) be drastically different. 

I get where you're coming from, I do, but you can't say that the endings don't drastically change the world in different ways. Blue and red, not so much. Green though.

I mean, you change the DNA of every person - that's a big thing. If the endings are so similar, could you really see them making a fourth game that allows you to import and manages to somehow work with all the endings?

[floppypig]

Vesji wrote...

The ending is garbage. Period.
There are countless articles, analysis, high-quality extrapolations and more valuable opinions supporting this claim, which unfortunately, are all spolers, and this is a no ME3 spoiler thread.
If you want to have a discussion about it, add a spoiler warning to the tile of this thread and let us begin.
If not, then people are just going to fight with eachother, without any meaning.


If you do not want the ending changed, that is fine by me.
I don't want Capitalism to exist. So?
Nothing.

The less argumented your opinion is, the less objective it is. The more subjective it is, the less valuable it is.
Your opinion is so badly structured, and expressed, and argumented, that I can't care about it less, OP.

If you want your opinion to be respected, you have to spend more time formulating it, otherwise it will be stuck in the line between stupidity and trolling.

Jesus, ouch. That hurt. 

Not sure what was so badly structured about it. Just said I don't think the endings should be changed and then said why. I'm sorry if it didn't meet your expectations of what a well formulated argument should look like.

This is a forum. I thought this was where I posted my opinion? All I did really...

[Cernex]

Hexley UK wrote...

The ending is poorly written, plot hole ridden garbage and should be shot in the head, burned and then ejected out of the airlock.

Then make a new ending that doesn't lower my IQ just by watching it.

Any questions?

Thank you good sir!

Also, THIS.

[Dridengx]

Vesji wrote...

If you want your opinion to be respected

People don't come to message boards to be respected. They come to share opinions which btw you don't have to agree with

Modifié par Dridengx, 04 avril 2012 - 07:19 .

[Vesji]

floppypig wrote...

Vesji wrote...

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Jesus, ouch. That hurt. 

Not sure what was so badly structured about it. Just said I don't think the endings should be changed and then said why. I'm sorry if it didn't meet your expectations of what a well formulated argument should look like.

This is a forum. I thought this was where I posted my opinion? All I did really...

Intention was not to harm, it was constructive, meant to influence you to increase the value of your opinion, and fortify it with arguments so I can respect it.
Because I want to respect it. Because I want it to be more valuable.

Apologize for the misconception.

:innocent: