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[Caz Tirin]

Sareth Cousland wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

Also I do not believe its Backward logic.

Many people didnt know that Bruce Willis's character in the 6th sense was actually a ghost until it was slapped right in people's faces at the end people realised all the clues were there at the beginning. I was one of those people who got tricked.

This has been brought up before in relation to IT.  The difference that completely separates them, however, is that Sixth Sense was written with that ending in mind from the start.  There have been many articles and interviews that have proven that IT is not what was intended when ME was being drawn up half a decade ago.  It centered around Dark Energy.

And how do these two exclude each other? Because if IT is correct, you didn't play the ending yet.

Which means we were sold an incomplete product.  You're ok with that?  What other company would you let rip you off like that?

[dreman9999]

Tritium315 wrote...

The difference here is that all the endings were present in the game at launch. Even if Bioware planned all this from the beginning it's still ****ing retarded of them.

What does it matter he player will be happy to get a proper ending.

[SC0TTYD00]

Caz Tirin wrote...

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

Also I do not believe its Backward logic.

Many people didnt know that Bruce Willis's character in the 6th sense was actually a ghost until it was slapped right in people's faces at the end people realised all the clues were there at the beginning. I was one of those people who got tricked.

This has been brought up before in relation to IT.  The difference that completely separates them, however, is that Sixth Sense was written with that ending in mind from the start.  There have been many articles and interviews that have proven that IT is not what was intended when ME was being drawn up half a decade ago.  It centered around Dark Energy.

I know, I know, its a triligy that was mostly written on the fly. But that happened in star wars too, I bet Luke's father was not Darth Vader from the very first film. Just like I dont think Leia was lukes sister from the beginning as luke was desperate to bone her in the 1st film.

This is just how story writing works.

My point is that even though the clues are there, we are so used to games telling us what to do. Remember how much harder WOW was when the quests didnt tell you exactly where to do and what to kill. You had to actually use ur brain a little bit. Its the same in TOR. everything that we see is accepted at face value. We don't expect the game to trick us or make us think even when the clues are right there.

We missed them. The only difference between ME3 and the 6th sense is you actually got to find out the twist at the end and bioware are separating it out into DLC. For massive publicity (even if its bad)

[Caz Tirin]

balance5050 wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

Also I do not believe its Backward logic.

Many people didnt know that Bruce Willis's character in the 6th sense was actually a ghost until it was slapped right in people's faces at the end people realised all the clues were there at the beginning. I was one of those people who got tricked.

This has been brought up before in relation to IT.  The difference that completely separates them, however, is that Sixth Sense was written with that ending in mind from the start.  There have been many articles and interviews that have proven that IT is not what was intended when ME was being drawn up half a decade ago.  It centered around Dark Energy.

I'm sorry but you argue like a girl, youcan't keep jumping from one subject to the other, the point was we couldn't make the theory without seeing the ending and now you're arguing semantics about when they planned the ending. The Geoff Keighly AMA on Reddit proved that they had the idea for "player speculation" early in development.

Sweet!  Personal attacks!

And no, I didn't jump anywhere.  If you'll notice, the quote I was replying to was not the same guy I was talking to earlier.  If you're going to get "holier than thou" make sure you're right first.

[SC0TTYD00]

I agree about the incomplete product remark, but who knows? Maybe Bioware intend on dragging this war out a bit longer with DLC. Giving people more content, and also building the story to make way for MASS EFFECT 4 on the XBOX720 and the PS4...

[Tiax Rules All]

dreman9999 wrote...

bump this....People need to know..

[Caz Tirin]

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

I agree about the incomplete product remark, but who knows? Maybe Bioware intend on dragging this war out a bit longer with DLC. Giving people more content, and also building the story to make way for MASS EFFECT 4 on the XBOX720 and the PS4...

XBox 720...  lmao  Thank you, I needed a good laugh.  :lol:

[dreman9999]

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

Also I do not believe its Backward logic.

Many people didnt know that Bruce Willis's character in the 6th sense was actually a ghost until it was slapped right in people's faces at the end people realised all the clues were there at the beginning. I was one of those people who got tricked.

This has been brought up before in relation to IT.  The difference that completely separates them, however, is that Sixth Sense was written with that ending in mind from the start.  There have been many articles and interviews that have proven that IT is not what was intended when ME was being drawn up half a decade ago.  It centered around Dark Energy.

I know, I know, its a triligy that was mostly written on the fly. But that happened in star wars too, I bet Luke's father was not Darth Vader from the very first film. Just like I dont think Leia was lukes sister from the beginning as luke was desperate to bone her in the 1st film.

This is just how story writing works.

My point is that even though the clues are there, we are so used to games telling us what to do. Remember how much harder WOW was when the quests didnt tell you exactly where to do and what to kill. You had to actually use ur brain a little bit. Its the same in TOR. everything that we see is accepted at face value. We don't expect the game to trick us or make us think even when the clues are right there.

We missed them. The only difference between ME3 and the 6th sense is you actually got to find out the twist at the end and bioware are separating it out into DLC. For massive publicity (even if its bad)

This is ironic because of the fact that ME take some much time to expline things....And has a huge codex.

[kilgorek]

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

Also I do not believe its Backward logic.

Many people didnt know that Bruce Willis's character in the 6th sense was actually a ghost until it was slapped right in people's faces at the end people realised all the clues were there at the beginning. I was one of those people who got tricked.

This has been brought up before in relation to IT.  The difference that completely separates them, however, is that Sixth Sense was written with that ending in mind from the start.  There have been many articles and interviews that have proven that IT is not what was intended when ME was being drawn up half a decade ago.  It centered around Dark Energy.

I know, I know, its a triligy that was mostly written on the fly. But that happened in star wars too, I bet Luke's father was not Darth Vader from the very first film. Just like I dont think Leia was lukes sister from the beginning as luke was desperate to bone her in the 1st film.

This is just how story writing works.

My point is that even though the clues are there, we are so used to games telling us what to do. Remember how much harder WOW was when the quests didnt tell you exactly where to do and what to kill. You had to actually use ur brain a little bit. Its the same in TOR. everything that we see is accepted at face value. We don't expect the game to trick us or make us think even when the clues are right there.

We missed them. The only difference between ME3 and the 6th sense is you actually got to find out the twist at the end and bioware are separating it out into DLC. For massive publicity (even if its bad)

Actually, I believe Lucas had the entire general outline of the story planned out before he even made the first movie. Notice how Obi-Wan talks about the Clone Wars in ANH with Luke. This is something that is not mentioned again until Episode II 25 years later. And Luke would obviously have the hots for Leia if he didn't know she was his sister.

[balance5050]

Caz Tirin wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

Also I do not believe its Backward logic.

Many people didnt know that Bruce Willis's character in the 6th sense was actually a ghost until it was slapped right in people's faces at the end people realised all the clues were there at the beginning. I was one of those people who got tricked.

This has been brought up before in relation to IT.  The difference that completely separates them, however, is that Sixth Sense was written with that ending in mind from the start.  There have been many articles and interviews that have proven that IT is not what was intended when ME was being drawn up half a decade ago.  It centered around Dark Energy.

I'm sorry but you argue like a girl, youcan't keep jumping from one subject to the other, the point was we couldn't make the theory without seeing the ending and now you're arguing semantics about when they planned the ending. The Geoff Keighly AMA on Reddit proved that they had the idea for "player speculation" early in development.

Sweet!  Personal attacks!

And no, I didn't jump anywhere.  If you'll notice, the quote I was replying to was not the same guy I was talking to earlier.  If you're going to get "holier than thou" make sure you're right first.

You've got 3 more days my friend.

[SC0TTYD00]

What difference does it make that certain aspects of the story werent planned. I mean, you all want to shape the future of the game and you care about what BW do and want to change the ending. Otherwise you all wouldn't be here.

There are bound to be inconsistancies.

[balance5050]

Caz Tirin wrote...

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

I agree about the incomplete product remark, but who knows? Maybe Bioware intend on dragging this war out a bit longer with DLC. Giving people more content, and also building the story to make way for MASS EFFECT 4 on the XBOX720 and the PS4...

XBox 720...  lmao  Thank you, I needed a good laugh.  :lol:

Why was that funny? What do you call the rumoured next generation xbox?

[Necrotron]

If Indoc Theory = Ending Will Not Change,

then I will be satisfied.

[AwesomeDudex64]

And so the plot thickens..

[SC0TTYD00]

NextBox, Xbox Durango, Xbox 360 mk II, Xbox Loop...im out..

[Caz Tirin]

balance5050 wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Caz Tirin wrote...

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

Also I do not believe its Backward logic.

Many people didnt know that Bruce Willis's character in the 6th sense was actually a ghost until it was slapped right in people's faces at the end people realised all the clues were there at the beginning. I was one of those people who got tricked.

This has been brought up before in relation to IT.  The difference that completely separates them, however, is that Sixth Sense was written with that ending in mind from the start.  There have been many articles and interviews that have proven that IT is not what was intended when ME was being drawn up half a decade ago.  It centered around Dark Energy.

I'm sorry but you argue like a girl, youcan't keep jumping from one subject to the other, the point was we couldn't make the theory without seeing the ending and now you're arguing semantics about when they planned the ending. The Geoff Keighly AMA on Reddit proved that they had the idea for "player speculation" early in development.

Sweet!  Personal attacks!

And no, I didn't jump anywhere.  If you'll notice, the quote I was replying to was not the same guy I was talking to earlier.  If you're going to get "holier than thou" make sure you're right first.

You've got 3 more days my friend.

And what happens when BioWare says it's not IT?  I could tell you, but I would be accused of making assumptions, even though I've seen the same behavior over and over in the past.

[Navywife64]

Hmmmm... Very interresting. PAX is Friday, lets wait and see what happans. Thank you op I have never played that game.

[SC0TTYD00]

If IDT isnt true then Bioware better have a good explanation or I think they will get slaughtered by a load of angry nerds at PAX. It will be a PR explosion from hell and Bioware will be hated.

[BoogieBot]

[dreman9999]

SC0TTYD00 wrote...

If IDT isnt true then Bioware better have a good explanation or I think they will get slaughtered by a load of angry nerds at PAX. It will be a PR explosion from hell and Bioware will be hated.

You think a bunch of people getting a better ending are going to be angry?

[SC0TTYD00]

I don't like to use the term better, as we don't know what BW is planning. What I mean is if they just leave it as it is and just release omega dlc or somethiing. There will be unhappppppinninnneess

[Peer of the Empire]

Hraedonius wrote...
I've seen all of the "evidence" that people have put forth in support of indoctrination theory and remain wholly unmoved. When you cast any inconsistency as a brilliant allusion to the "truth" and wave away any other explanation, no counter argument is going to amount to more than a hill of beans in your mind. We'll simpy have to agree to disagree.

No one has any duty to move you.  So far I have seen nothing but muddled thinking from the detractors.

Fundamentally IT states that because the ending is nonsense, perhaps it is a dream.

Three supporting factors:
1.  Reapers like to indoctrinate
2.  Shephard is dying
3.  Suddenly, Shephard can be convinced to completely go against his goal of the entire series.

If indoctrination fails Harbinger can always shoot Shephard afterward

Modifié par Peer of the Empire, 04 avril 2012 - 07:38 .

[Dominator24]

Wait > PAX > Decide.

[Tritium315]

dreman9999 wrote...

Tritium315 wrote...

The difference here is that all the endings were present in the game at launch. Even if Bioware planned all this from the beginning it's still ****ing retarded of them.

What does it matter he player will be happy to get a proper ending.

Oh, I'm not saying I wont be happy. If they fix this **** I'll be happy. But if IT is true, and if they planned it all along, then it means they consciously thought it was a good idea to withhold the ending for use as DLC. Realistically, I don't even mind if they withheld **** they already made for use as DLC; that's fine. But don't do it with the ****ing ending. Hold back the Grissom mission, or Samara's, or whatever. Not the god damn ending.

Pissing off a majority of your playerbase for a ****ing month and offering only a nebulous "we'll clarify it" 2 weeks into the ****storm is straight up retarded. I don't care what fantasy world you live it, there is no way this was a good decision creatively, artistically, from a business standpoint, or any ****ing way for that matter. The reality is at this point even if they release an IT DLC, even if it's free, no one will believe they planned it all along. On the flipside if they had planned IT and put it in at launch people would be praising ME3 for having one of the best endings ever. There is no way Bioware comes out of this looking good, they can only
emerge covered in different flavors (or colors) of ****, each slightly
less awful than the other.

Tldr: If they planned it they're retarded. If they didn't they're idiots.

[Fhaarkas]

BoogieBot wrote...

you've just made my day