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[CavScout]

estebanus wrote...

CavScout wrote...
IT says there is no ending in the game as it stands, not that the current ending needs some expansion. Stop making things up.

The IT has always been about "extending" and "clarifying" the end. Nothing else. I don't think you understood what the theory is about. The endings are still there, and they will have real-life consequences for Shepard and the galaxy...

Seems like IT means whatever is convenient at the moment...

[balance5050]

CavScout wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CavScout wrote...
IT says there is no ending in the game as it stands, not that the current ending needs some expansion. Stop making things up.

The IT has always been about "extending" and "clarifying" the end. Nothing else. I don't think you understood what the theory is about. The endings are still there, and they will have real-life consequences for Shepard and the galaxy...

Seems like IT means whatever is convenient at the moment...

No, it uses the entire series as evidence. Leaves nothing out.

[estebanus]

CavScout wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CavScout wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

CavScout wrote...
You confuse possible and probable.

Nope.

Yes you do. You keep presuming that two unknown things are equally going to happen. They're not.

And you assume that they won't happen. Why are you so sure of that?

Same way I am sure that there's no tea pot orbiting our nearest star. You can say there is one and I can't prove you wrong but it doesn't make our positions equally valid.

The difference between Russel's teapot and the IT is that we have evidence backing up our claims, not some guy saying that that's what happened because you can't prove him wrong!

Also, as it stands right now, there is a non-zero chance that both of us are wrong. We'll first find out this summer.

Right now, both our opinions are equally valid, as we both have things to support our claims. You say that your opinion is more valid than mine. that alone spells arrogance and self-righteousness. I believe that both our opinions are equally valid until the IT is either proven or disproven.

So I suggest we agree to disagree, and leave it at that.

[estebanus]

CavScout wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CavScout wrote...
IT says there is no ending in the game as it stands, not that the current ending needs some expansion. Stop making things up.

The IT has always been about "extending" and "clarifying" the end. Nothing else. I don't think you understood what the theory is about. The endings are still there, and they will have real-life consequences for Shepard and the galaxy...

Seems like IT means whatever is convenient at the moment...

[zephyr2025]

You might not want to be so quick to congratulate Bioware for this. The ending was so bad that (very quickly) people came up with the Indoctrination theory, or they just hated the ending because of how nonsensical it all was. "We totally fell for it" hardly describes this situation.

The fact that people are congratulating Bioware for this tells me they are really desperate to come up with something that isn't what we got.

[pistolols]

I like thinking about IT but i also really like Control ending so if OP is correct this has conflicting feelings for me. I really like the idea of Shepard becoming the reaper king and immortilized by transforming into the Citadel. Couldn't have asked for a more epic end(?) to Shepard's life. For me Shepard basically becoming a god has the coolest implications for the future of the Mass Effect universe.

[elecmanexe001]

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

ME3 doesn't have this and is pretty big clue that it's not using the same technique.

That's why the EC is coming out.

Again, not like the game everyone keeps point to. And you keep assuming the EC will contain IT....

I'm assuming that it will "clarify" what we saw, and add "extended scenes"

You assume it will support IT.

You seem to assume it wont. Everyones making assumptions, big deal. IT has a lot of support behind it being pluasable, it is a possible outcome to be considere, that exists wthin the world, and is easily implementable and or already has been implemented in the game as is. No one is saying it is the absolute truth and IT will be right with 100% certainty.

[CavScout]

estebanus wrote...

CavScout wrote...
Same way I am sure that there's no tea pot orbiting our nearest star. You can say there is one and I can't prove you wrong but it doesn't make our positions equally valid.

The difference between Russel's teapot and the IT is that we have evidence backing up our claims, not some guy saying that that's what happened because you can't prove him wrong!

Also, as it stands right now, there is a non-zero chance that both of us are wrong. We'll first find out this summer.

Right now, both our opinions are equally valid, as we both have things to support our claims. You say that your opinion is more valid than mine. that alone spells arrogance and self-righteousness. I believe that both our opinions are equally valid until the IT is either proven or disproven.

So I suggest we agree to disagree, and leave it at that.

You do not have evidence backing up your claims. Like Birthers and Truthers you claim to have evidence or spout "explain this or it must be IT!".

[balance5050]

pistolols wrote...

I like thinking about IT but i also really like Control ending so if OP is correct this has conflicting feelings for me. I really like the idea of Shepard becoming the reaper king and immortilized by transforming into the Citadel. Couldn't have asked for a more epic end(?) to Shepard's life. For me Shepard basically becoming a god has the coolest implications for the future of the Mass Effect universe.

Can you elaborate on why you like control? Do you just want to be in charge of the giant death machines?


Because if you look at it from a metophorical point of view, the reapers are all about control. They control our technology, our evolution, our future, they  have been controlling the galaxy for a million years, and by adopting the mindset of "control" you are adopting the mindset of the reapers.

[estebanus]

zephyr2025 wrote...

You might not want to be so quick to congratulate Bioware for this. The ending was so bad that (very quickly) people came up with the Indoctrination theory, or they just hated the ending because of how nonsensical it all was. "We totally fell for it" hardly describes this situation.

The fact that people are congratulating Bioware for this tells me they are really desperate to come up with something that isn't what we got.

As far as I know, no one is congratulating Bioware... yet.

Fact is: even if they intended the IT, they failed at placating the fans in the meantime. Their PR statements have been cryptic and only created confusion and frustration among the fans.

If there is any congratulating to be done, it would first have to be after the EC is released, and if the IT is confirmed, not any earlier!
Also, congratulating them doesn't necessarily make them desperate. Depending on if IT is confirmed or not, it will either make them deluded, including me, or it will make them the ones who saw through it all.

As it is, we can't say anything definitive yet. Be it congratulating Bioware or cursing them as demons or devils.

[CavScout]

elecmanexe001 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

ME3 doesn't have this and is pretty big clue that it's not using the same technique.

That's why the EC is coming out.

Again, not like the game everyone keeps point to. And you keep assuming the EC will contain IT....

I'm assuming that it will "clarify" what we saw, and add "extended scenes"

You assume it will support IT.

You seem to assume it wont. Everyones making assumptions, big deal. IT has a lot of support behind it being pluasable, it is a possible outcome to be considere, that exists wthin the world, and is easily implementable and or already has been implemented in the game as is. No one is saying it is the absolute truth and IT will be right with 100% certainty.

You're false is thinking all opinions have equal validity....

[balance5050]

CavScout wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CavScout wrote...
Same way I am sure that there's no tea pot orbiting our nearest star. You can say there is one and I can't prove you wrong but it doesn't make our positions equally valid.

The difference between Russel's teapot and the IT is that we have evidence backing up our claims, not some guy saying that that's what happened because you can't prove him wrong!

Also, as it stands right now, there is a non-zero chance that both of us are wrong. We'll first find out this summer.

Right now, both our opinions are equally valid, as we both have things to support our claims. You say that your opinion is more valid than mine. that alone spells arrogance and self-righteousness. I believe that both our opinions are equally valid until the IT is either proven or disproven.

So I suggest we agree to disagree, and leave it at that.

You do not have evidence backing up your claims. Like Birthers and Truthers you claim to have evidence or spout "explain this or it must be IT!".

It's better than standing for nothing and continuously looking like a SELF HATING, CLOSETED IT SUPPORTER.

[balance5050]

CavScout wrote...

elecmanexe001 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

ME3 doesn't have this and is pretty big clue that it's not using the same technique.

That's why the EC is coming out.

Again, not like the game everyone keeps point to. And you keep assuming the EC will contain IT....

I'm assuming that it will "clarify" what we saw, and add "extended scenes"

You assume it will support IT.

You seem to assume it wont. Everyones making assumptions, big deal. IT has a lot of support behind it being pluasable, it is a possible outcome to be considere, that exists wthin the world, and is easily implementable and or already has been implemented in the game as is. No one is saying it is the absolute truth and IT will be right with 100% certainty.

You're false is thinking all opinions have equal validity....

But you never say your opinion on what the endings mean, so you have zero validity.

[LadyWench]

Huge fan of NWN and I TOTALLY forgot about that part!!! Thanks for the refresher and making an interesting parallel...only sad part is, the TRUE ending for HotU was, you know, still there waiting for you and not, say, another expansion you had to wait months for, so I don't know...LOL

[estebanus]

CavScout wrote...

estebanus wrote...

CavScout wrote...
Same way I am sure that there's no tea pot orbiting our nearest star. You can say there is one and I can't prove you wrong but it doesn't make our positions equally valid.

The difference between Russel's teapot and the IT is that we have evidence backing up our claims, not some guy saying that that's what happened because you can't prove him wrong!

Also, as it stands right now, there is a non-zero chance that both of us are wrong. We'll first find out this summer.

Right now, both our opinions are equally valid, as we both have things to support our claims. You say that your opinion is more valid than mine. that alone spells arrogance and self-righteousness. I believe that both our opinions are equally valid until the IT is either proven or disproven.

So I suggest we agree to disagree, and leave it at that.

You do not have evidence backing up your claims. Like Birthers and Truthers you claim to have evidence or spout "explain this or it must be IT!".

Ok, if you say we don't have any evidence, you must either be a troll, or you haven't even taken a look at what we've gathered.

If anything, you and a lot of other people act like those you just described. You say: "We all have a lot of evidence disproving the IT!" But you never show it. Ultimately, it culminates into saying "You're wrong because I said so", nothing more.

[elecmanexe001]

CavScout wrote...

elecmanexe001 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

ME3 doesn't have this and is pretty big clue that it's not using the same technique.

That's why the EC is coming out.

Again, not like the game everyone keeps point to. And you keep assuming the EC will contain IT....

I'm assuming that it will "clarify" what we saw, and add "extended scenes"

You assume it will support IT.

You seem to assume it wont. Everyones making assumptions, big deal. IT has a lot of support behind it being pluasable, it is a possible outcome to be considere, that exists wthin the world, and is easily implementable and or already has been implemented in the game as is. No one is saying it is the absolute truth and IT will be right with 100% certainty.

You're false is thinking all opinions have equal validity....

I've been reading your posts, you are clearly close minded even when a huge amount of plausable evidence has been shown to support a claim. If you sit here and tell me that IT, with everything people have brought to the table to support it, simply from the series, simply from the lore of the game, ignoring all the "How did Anderson get there first?" "How are there piles of bodies" and so on, the game supports the idea of indoctrination and it is infact a huge factor within the universe of Mass Effect. You can not tell me in any sensible manner that there is no way indoctrination could not have affected Shepard, that the ending 100% can not be an indoctrination attempt. It is plausable and to many preferable to what has happened.

You are false in thinking your opinion is superior.

[estebanus]

CavScout wrote...

elecmanexe001 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

ME3 doesn't have this and is pretty big clue that it's not using the same technique.

That's why the EC is coming out.

Again, not like the game everyone keeps point to. And you keep assuming the EC will contain IT....

I'm assuming that it will "clarify" what we saw, and add "extended scenes"

You assume it will support IT.

You seem to assume it wont. Everyones making assumptions, big deal. IT has a lot of support behind it being pluasable, it is a possible outcome to be considere, that exists wthin the world, and is easily implementable and or already has been implemented in the game as is. No one is saying it is the absolute truth and IT will be right with 100% certainty.

You're false is thinking all opinions have equal validity....

You're false in thinking your opinion is better than others'.

[estebanus]

God, I really wish more people were like EpyonX3...

[UltimateTobi]

It's mind blowing, and I hope and bet OP is right.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

elecmanexe001 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

ME3 doesn't have this and is pretty big clue that it's not using the same technique.

That's why the EC is coming out.

Again, not like the game everyone keeps point to. And you keep assuming the EC will contain IT....

I'm assuming that it will "clarify" what we saw, and add "extended scenes"

You assume it will support IT.

You seem to assume it wont. Everyones making assumptions, big deal. IT has a lot of support behind it being pluasable, it is a possible outcome to be considere, that exists wthin the world, and is easily implementable and or already has been implemented in the game as is. No one is saying it is the absolute truth and IT will be right with 100% certainty.

You're false is thinking all opinions have equal validity....

But you never say your opinion on what the endings mean, so you have zero validity.

NAILED IT, LOL .   Zing!!!

[balance5050]

estebanus wrote...

God, I really wish more people were like EpyonX3...

Here here!!

That guy can debate.

[balance5050]

ohupthis wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

CavScout wrote...

You're false is thinking all opinions have equal validity....

But you never say your opinion on what the endings mean, so you have zero validity.

NAILED IT, LOL .   Zing!!!

The dude just sets them up for me! 

Modifié par balance5050, 12 mai 2012 - 09:42 .

[OH-UP-THIS!]

estebanus wrote...

God, I really wish more people were like EpyonX3...

What is an EpyonX3?

Nevermind, this is apparently someone in here, carry on.

Modifié par ohupthis, 12 mai 2012 - 09:36 .

[estebanus]

balance5050 wrote...

estebanus wrote...

God, I really wish more people were like EpyonX3...

Here here!!

That guy can debate.

Indeed. He's actually intelligent, not like a lot of other people we've had to talk with, like Waldo, or Minty...

[estebanus]

ohupthis wrote...

estebanus wrote...

God, I really wish more people were like EpyonX3...

What is an EpyonX3?

He is a person who we keep on debating with in the IT thread. He doesn't believe in it, but he always supports his claims with valid evidence, which we then keep on discussing about. Also, he doesn't treat us like crap, and his posts are always friendly.