blackangel209 wrote...
I don't get why everyone always harps on the BSG ending. Besides the Kara Thrace BS, the "god" stuff was pretty much telegraphed from day 1. And then they explicitly say in the ending that it isn't actually "God". I think the ending lacked some elaboration, but fit well enough in terms of character and plot.
I didn't see BSG until well after any controversy would have occured, so I don't intend to paint all objections with the same brush as I'm sure there are plenty that I missed. But from what I picked up from the ending, it certainly wasn't one of the worst endings in Science Fiction history and seemed rather consistent with what came before it. The ME3 ending comes out of freaking nowhere and everyone acts completely out of character(except perhaps Anderson).Kloreep wrote...
This may be a bit rude, but I just have to comment that a Retake banner-flying member painting all objections to the BSG ending with the same brush is a bit funny.
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blackangel209 wrote...
I didn't see BSG until well after any controversy would have occured, so I don't intend to paint all objections with the same brush as I'm sure there are plenty that I missed.
blackangel209 wrote...
everyone acts completely out of character.
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Nerevar-as wrote...
On topic, Signs is the only ending as bad as ME3 I can think of. Those aliens couldn´t survive on Earth´s atmosphere, much less walking around naked, turning the movie into a joke.
curufinwe03 wrote...
The series finale of Stargate was definitly worse.
Just remember how O'Neill sacrifices himself to destroy all the Stargates in the Galaxy, so he could kill all Goa'uld. The Stargates blew up and killed millions of people in the whole Milky Way. This episode was really horrible.
Oh wait. THAT was the bad dream.
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Tovanus wrote...
BSG had a terrible ending.
99% of the series you have a character like Lee going, "It is critical to the future of the human race that we preserve our constitutional ideals and legal paradigms, etc." Then you get to the last few minutes: "You know what guys? Nevermind. Let's all spread out, give up technology, and merge with the cavemen."
It was actually very similar to ME 3 in that the whole series leads up to certain understanding and acceptance between the humans and the Cylons, and the goal of abandoning technology does not seem to be a driving force in the series. Until the last few minutes.
The Starbuck storyline was just awful. People thought there would be a deeper explanation to how and why her dead character came back to life. Something a bit more thoughtful than, "God must have done it." If God is going to get involved to that degree, then why the hell wouldn't God just do more? A little divine intervention works if the deity's goal is for people to make the right decisions and the deity just wants to offer guidance while letting human history be determined by human free will. A little more divine intervention can work in a story if you explain some ground rules restricting how powerful the deity is. But when you set no restrictions, and God just starts resurrecting characters and implanting mental instructions, your story loses a lot of its compelling power. Showing the audience that you had no explanation and making "God did it" your fallback position at the end means your series will rightly be regarded as having a "bad ending."
And all of that doesn't even TOUCH on the fact that the series started out every episode by telling you that the Cylons have a "plan." Guess what? They didn't. No plan. They were making it up as they went along. In an interview, Ronald Moore admitted that they stuck that phrase in at the start of each episode because a showrunner - who had no plan - thought it would sound cool and draw people in. In a humorous twist, they released a DVD called "The Plan," which essentially reveals to the audience that there was no larger plan. They were just chasing the humans because... what the hell else were they going to do? They kind of wanted to finish the humans off. That's not a plan... that's a goal. "Plan" implies you've laid out a thoughtful path on how to achieve your goal. And keeping the goal secret, while calling out that there's a hidden plan, implies that the goal is more complex and interesting than, "Ugh, kill the humans I guess?"
All of that said, BSG started to show that the writers were lost and didn't know what they were doing when they went to Iraq. Oh wait, I mixed that up. I mean, when they went to "New Caprica." I guess in that regard, ME 3 was more disappointing. I was expecting to be let down at the end of BSG, and I got what I expected.
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Noatz wrote...
If you count Evangelion as sci fi then its probably about the only thing that could legitimately be called worse than ME3's ending.
If not I think you'd be hard pressed to find an ending that more thoroughly taints a franchise.
But they ended up retconning it then created a movie as an "I'm sorry".
Indeed.
*looks at BioWare*
They took all of the fan complaints and made their wishes come true while retaining and extending the totally trippy ending the original had. People complained that asuka never got to have a proper fight, so they had her fight a ass load of MP evas , then lose and get eaten. She died horribly. Horribly! They even made it look like she was going to win that fight until near the very end of it the evas began regenerating. At one point in the movie the death threats anno got were flashed up on screen.
If you think EOE was an 'i'm sorry' from gainax, think again.
Syfy channel, this thread is fail.stcalvin13 wrote...
Can anyone think of any? I can't.
Makatak wrote...
Battlefield Earth?
chris fenton wrote...
Deus Ex..
Oh wait, ****, they're the same. Nevermind, then.
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Zolt51 wrote...
TheNerd182 wrote...
Forever Free (sequel to The Forever War) and the Rise of Endymion come to mind for me. Rama Revealed too.
Not nearly as bad because they gradually fell apart but still incredibly unsatisfying conclusions to their respective series.
Haven't read "Forever Free", but Rise of Endymion? Oh you heathen you. Loved these books and they had one of the most powerful, mind twisting endings of all.
Fall of Hyperion by the way had an ending very similar to Mass Effect 3. The portal network is destroyed, galactic dark age ensues. And it's widely considered a cult classic.
Rama was kind of lame but well, the books had to head *somewhere*... The first Rama was great because it was mostly a huge enigma wrapped in mystery. But the more you discover about the universe and the more it loses its mystique.
The Neutronium Alchemist by Peter F. Hamilton. That was the conclusion of a really great series, and in the end it
s "space magic" at its worst: the protagonist finds the "god" device that allows him to remake the universe to his liking, undo the damage, save everybody and get the girl.
That's a commong problem when you set up your protagonist against some seemingly impossible odds. Resolution has to come as some form of Deus Ex Machina.. unless you set it up very cleverly right from the start.
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