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[Bfler]

Star Trek: Enterprise.
The last episode was rushed, because they wanted to end the series.

[Conquerthecity]

 The Forever War has a sequel that is best left ignored. It's actually kind of similar to ME3's. The premise of The Forever War is that humans live for an inordinately long time because of how space travel works. I forget what happens exactly in the sequel, but the main characters decide that they're going to manipulate the space travel process so they can indefintely live as they wish. But when they get into their ship and whatnot, odd things start happening, and eventually their fuel disappears through space magic. So, they land on a planet and basically meet God. He kills everyone but the main character and tells him that he could not allow them to live forever. Then everyone is miraculously resurrected and it's probably better that I can't quite remember what happens after everyone meets God. 

It's a shame too, 'cause The Forever War is one of my favorite novels. 

[Runningniko]

Yes definitely. L O S T. Atrocious waste of six years.

[TheNerd182]

Mungolian_ wrote...

 The Forever War has a sequel that is best left ignored. It's actually kind of similar to ME3's. The premise of The Forever War is that humans live for an inordinately long time because of how space travel works. I forget what happens exactly in the sequel, but the main characters decide that they're going to manipulate the space travel process so they can indefintely live as they wish. But when they get into their ship and whatnot, odd things start happening, and eventually their fuel disappears through space magic. So, they land on a planet and basically meet God. He kills everyone but the main character and tells him that he could not allow them to live forever. Then everyone is miraculously resurrected and it's probably better that I can't quite remember what happens after everyone meets God. 

It's a shame too, 'cause The Forever War is one of my favorite novels. 

Ya you forgot when they meet the friendly cowboy at the 'Amusement Park' - No I'm not joking this actually happened. I'm sure that has to be one of the worst endings in Sci-Fi.

[Conquerthecity]

TheNerd182 wrote...

Mungolian_ wrote...

 The Forever War has a sequel that is best left ignored. It's actually kind of similar to ME3's. The premise of The Forever War is that humans live for an inordinately long time because of how space travel works. I forget what happens exactly in the sequel, but the main characters decide that they're going to manipulate the space travel process so they can indefintely live as they wish. But when they get into their ship and whatnot, odd things start happening, and eventually their fuel disappears through space magic. So, they land on a planet and basically meet God. He kills everyone but the main character and tells him that he could not allow them to live forever. Then everyone is miraculously resurrected and it's probably better that I can't quite remember what happens after everyone meets God. 

It's a shame too, 'cause The Forever War is one of my favorite novels. 

Ya you forgot when they meet the friendly cowboy at the 'Amusement Park' - No I'm not joking this actually happened. I'm sure that has to be one of the worst endings in Sci-Fi.

Oh, right. Better to try and keep purging the book from my memory. 

[MrGone]

The most apt comparison is PROBABLY Neon Genessis Evangelion.

That was a smart giant robot anime that deconstructed the genre, and had strong, mysterious religious connotations. In the final two episodes, just the climax is getting reached they ditch the plot entirely and spend them in the mind of the main character, as he is confronted with his inner demons. Most of this resues a LOT of old assets, and is composed of still images. It completely drops the narrative momentum of the plot thus far to do this and ends on a high emotional note for the lead, but it makes very little sense other than as an interior battle of the mind, and every other question isn't answered.

The fans HATED IT.

People think the retake movement is being whiny? Being rough? B - ****ing - S.

Compared to the Evangelion outcry, the fans are offering BioWare ****jobs.

There were death threats upon death threats, and insults hurled and stalkers and even, from what I understand , a suicide.

It was THEN revealed, that the creator of the show had a completely different ending planned, but it was A) very dark, and would cost a LOT of money to make. It had already been started (And in preview clips of the next episode for the penultimate episodes you can see some animation related to the originally intended finale).

The producers put the kibosh on it though, I think primarily for the cost and the scheduling more than the content.

Anyway, after the fan outcry, they gave the creator of the show and his team the funds to make the movie that would wrap everything up. And wrap it up it did. It WAS a dark ending, and nearly everyone dies and it really bends your mind in weird ways . . .

BUT it made WAY more sense than what came before, as it delivered on the payoff of several plotthreads that were dropped in the original finale. It kept to the overall tone of the story's religious themes, and was a nuanced affair, mixing in some hope amongst the depressing nature of it, as well as the weirdness.

And that's the thing. It was still the creator's "artistic vision". In fact, it was an expanded concept of what he wanted to do originally, and it didn't negate the first ending to the show, which is still canon and exactly what I said, an exploration into the mind of the lead character. Point being, the creator didn't compromise his aims, and delivered the weird avant guarde ending he wanted AND for the fans, it allowed for closure and resolution . . . the main thing they had been denied.

So when people point out the connection between ME 3 and Evangelion, and they do images lie this:

http://i.imgur.com/CJlhy.jpg

I actually think they're jumping the gun. That's sort of what we got, yeah, but I think where we currently are is at the end of the TV series. We need to see the "movie" version of whatever the ending to ME3 is going to be.

Then the comparison will be complete.

Modifié par MrGone, 05 avril 2012 - 05:52 .

[Slash1667]

aliengmr1 wrote...

Slash1667 wrote...

I loved the Matrix and thought it ended just fine.

As far as Independence Day, it was the much better remake of War of the Worlds than Tom Cruise's version and a damn good movie at that.

Stargate Atlantis I was really happy with the way it ended. Couple of plot holes but at least they were explained in some way that made sense within the context of the show.

Star Trek 2011? Loved the movie nuff said

Gonna have to disagree there. The ending to War of the Worlds both the book and the remake had a much more realistic and thought provoking ending than ID4. Pretty sure 50's remake also had the same ending, but not sure about the radio version, I never heard it.

ID4  was still good though. So was The Matrix, only the first movie.

The radio version, 1950s and the remake all had the Martians killed by a common cold (well the first 2 did never could sit through the Cruise version) only difference between that and ID4 is a computer virus instead of a biological virus. Besides, everyone know that a Mac can interface with anything.

[Hermit_UK]

Runningniko wrote...

Yes definitely. L O S T. Atrocious waste of six years.

LOST's finale ought to be a case study on why you should always have some plan in mind for the end of your story. Having set itself up as 'Survival Drama with Sci Fi elements" we somehow end up at "Fantasy and Magic'. That said, the whole Source explanation, while lazy, wasn't even my biggest complaint. The whole premise of the Flash-Sideways, that they'd somehow created an alternate universe where the island was destroyed, had potential. Instead, nope, it's just heaven...

[Lectroz]

Wow Sorry Bioware.... EA seems to ruin everything they touch anymore. How was it possible to ruin such a good thing ? Nevermind..... What a waste of money.

[Hermit_UK]

Oh, going to throw Signs out there. Not a good film to begin with, sure. But this is an advanced alien race that's allergic to water. And so invades a planet made mostly of water. Heck, a planet where water falls from the sky on a regular basis.

Did not do the research, alien guys.

[Slash1667]

How about Mars Attacks? Martians are totally invulnerable....except to Country & Western music....which makes their heads explode.

[shrimprahmen]

hmm...nothing comes to mind....only thing that gave me that WTF feeling at the end was evangelion.

[KingKhan03]

[SaleemRa]

OP to answer your question I would like to offer Transformers: Dark of the moon for your consideration. I just watched the movie for the first time last night and there were more plot holes and horribleness in the entire 154 minutes then the entire Mass Effect Series (1+2&3) combined.

It was so horrible that I had to watch The Muppets Movie immediately after just to feel whole again.

[Mattalix]

 From pretty much any game ive ever played there has not been an ending that has let me down more than mass effects

[naes1984]

Noooooooooo! says Darth Vader.

[ioannisdenton]

MAYBE matrix revolutions. i think Mass effect beats it.

[Dav3VsTh3World]

Matrix Revolutions hands down was far worse

It wasn't just the ending the whole bloody film was a train wreck. They even tried to make an Alternate ending via the PS2 game Matrix: Path of Neo in which Smith ended up pulling a Power Rangers and forming a giant version of himself,

WHICH WAS FAR MORE STUPID THAN THE ORIGINAL

Oh and Stargate Universe, though to be fair the only reason why the ending sucked is because the series got cancelled. But the way they left is is pretty much they froze ever single storyline by putting the entire crew of the ship into suspended animation aside from one guy who had 3 weeks to fix a broken pod or he's die when the oxygen gets used up.

And fans claimed ME3 had no closure this one deliberately didn't close anything

[Dav3VsTh3World]

Flammenpanzer wrote...

curufinwe03 wrote...

The series finale of Stargate was definitly worse.
Just remember how O'Neill sacrifices himself to destroy all the Stargates in the Galaxy, so he could kill all Goa'uld. The Stargates blew up and killed millions of people in the whole Milky Way. This episode was really horrible.
Oh wait. THAT was the bad dream.

Actually, Stargate Atlantis had a pretty bad ending...I did not like that one.

At least they were able to give SG-1 proper closure via the DVD-Movie's The Ark of Truth and Continuum. Personally I didn't my Atlantis's ending that much, though the fact that Extiontion never got off the ground which would have been the series closure was unfortunate.

[Zolt51]

TheNerd182 wrote...

To people talking about the end to Foundation - I remember being disappointed by the change in tone from Second
Foundation to Foundation's edge. Of course there WAS 30 years in between
the two books and Asimov's style changed as well. See Naked Sun to
Robots of Dawn for a similar shift in tone and style. Don't even get me
started on the Prequels to the Foundation books. Asimov is better than
that.

His best books are the Galactic Empire books anyway. It's a
shame they were out of print for awhile. Good classic Science Fiction
adventure stories.
Foundation was great as well - of course - as was The Gods Themselves.

Hm, I was 12 when I read Foundation, so I though all books pretty cool at the time.

Interesting that you should mention it: The whole story *starts* with a galactic dark age.

[B.Shep]

Considering almost all the game was amazing i really can't think of a more crappy ending than the ones from Mass Effect 3.
I mean Matrix Revolutions had a really bad ending too but the whole movie was bad so i was already expecting something like that.

[Zolt51]

Creston918 wrote...

AquamanOS wrote...

Most of the Final Fantasy games have poor, at least very confusing and vague endings once they became more cinematic ie: 7 and beyond.

7's was completely vague and left everyone hanging for a decade before finally releasing a film that explained what happened. Notably, just about everyone's assumptions turned out to be wrong.

8's was also vague, and to this day people aren't sure if the main character survived or not.

9's actually wraps it up well, as it was designed in the manner of the earlier games.
10's is straight forward, but randomly kills the main character in a scene nobody really saw coming. Though they bring him back in 10-2

FF7 was weird. It was widely assumed at the time they ran out of time and/or money, and just had to ship with what they had, so the ending was half done. But half done is better than being kicked in the cojones.

FF8 was really excellent, I thought. The first few times I played it, it just seemed like your normal happy ending. Hero saves the world, gets the cute girl, it's all good. It wasn't until after I read the "Squall died" theory that I paid any attention to the weird stuff, and you know, it's all very possible. And I think that's what makes it awesome. Both ways of looking at the ending are really just about equally valid. I honestly don't think the dying theory is true, but it fits VERY well.

FF9 was fine. Pretty standard fare, to be honest.

FFX was a really excellent bittersweet ending. It was set up beforehand. You are told multiple times that Tidus is basically just a dream, and that if Sin goes away, he will vanish. And it was done in a very heartwrenching way, because I genuinely felt ****ty for Yuna.
Square Enix's fans absolutely bombarded them with angry letters and cries of outrage, and in response, Square Enix made FFX-2, which was an entire game built around one simple goal "Bring Tidus back to life so he and Yuna can be together."

I think that might be the easier path for Bioware. I don't think they can comprehensively address the complaints about the ending in a simple DLC. People want to see the consequences of their ending choices in the future and that will take a whole new game.

Then again, FFX-2 was an utter joke so lets not go this way.

[ewdiaz]

RAGE? i don't think it counts as a sci-fi or its ending is worse, but the ending just shows some underground shelter pop up then opens and cuts to credits