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[Ossborn76]

Yesterday I said in another thread: The ending of Mass Effect 3 not only was the worst ending of the series, it was the worst ending of a computer game I ever witnessed in my whole gaming carreer, which is about 25 years now...

[dannii2]

Science fiction has got to be one of the hardest mediums to 'get right'. Whatever you do someone somewhere will pick over the bones of it until nothing is left. There have been some truly awful sci-fi movies and games, seems that so many think they can pull it off but so few actually succeed.
That said, I thought ME was headed for greatness but in the end just fell flat. No other has left me feeling this down about a story.

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[aliengmr1]

nowhereeffect wrote...

Return Of The Jedi's end is worse Darth Vader might had lived if Luke keep his helmet on,then there's the celebration a cross the galaxy that doesn't make sense.Dont get me wrong i am a huge fan of Star Wars but i donk think it gets any worse then that in the Sci-Fi genre.At least Mass Effect 3's ending dont breakout in to a galaxy wide celebration just becasue the reapers were dealt with they i think they showed that we will have to rebuild with the crew crash landing and having to start over.

Really? I thought the same thing when I was 6. His cybernetics got fried.

At least Star Wars allowed for EU. Plus the war didn't actually stop at ep.6, it took around another 5  years to get Coruscant and a futher 25 or so for it to end totally.

Ohh and ME3's, needs to actually be explained. Ep. 6 good guys blow up bad guys everyone happy.

[Zolt51]

TheNerd182 wrote...

Forever Free (sequel to The Forever War) and the Rise of Endymion come to mind for me. Rama Revealed too.
Not nearly as bad because they gradually fell apart but still incredibly unsatisfying conclusions to their respective series.

Haven't read "Forever Free", but Rise of Endymion? Oh you heathen you. Loved these books and they had one of the most powerful, mind twisting endings of all.

Fall of Hyperion by the way had an ending very similar to Mass Effect 3. The portal network is destroyed, galactic dark age ensues. And it's widely considered a cult classic.

Rama was kind of lame but well, the books had to head *somewhere*... The first Rama was great because it was mostly a huge enigma wrapped in mystery. But the more you discover about the universe and the more it loses its mystique.

The Neutronium Alchemist by Peter F. Hamilton. That was the conclusion of a really great series, and in the end it
s "space magic" at its worst: the protagonist finds the "god" device that allows him to remake the universe to his liking, undo the damage, save everybody and get the girl.

That's a commong problem when you set up your protagonist against some seemingly impossible odds. Resolution has to come as some form of Deus Ex Machina.. unless you set it up very cleverly right from the start.

Modifié par Zolt51, 04 avril 2012 - 07:05 .

[jarms48]

Command and Conquer 4

[Mesmurae]

Firefly had a better ending than ME3, and that show got canceled...

[Zolt51]

aliengmr1 wrote...
Ohh and ME3's, needs to actually be explained. Ep. 6 good guys blow up bad guys everyone happy.

My point exactly. Going for an unequivocally happy ending is the "safe" way: nobody will complain if you give them lots of warm fuzzies. Is it so wrong of Bioware to try to titillate some other areas in our brain? 

There may be flaws in execution but I don't think you can blame them for the intent behind the ending.

[Quotheraving]

Ed Wood's 'Plan 9 from outer space' had a pretty bad ending, but then the film was a complete mess from the beginning so you knew what to expect by then.
Still the writing is on about the same level as the end of ME3.

[Torrible]

So what? There are plenty of psychological reasons why you'd feel this way.

-most recent bad experience more palpable then previous bad experiences
-groupthink
-social proof
-ending of ME3 seems worse in comparison to the almost unprecedented scope in storytelling of the rest of the series
-greater expectation leads to greater disappointment
-other games have terrible endings but because the story element is not the focus in those games, you conveniently ignore them

Edit: -negative preconception (heard about how bad the ending was even before playing) skewing individual perspective

Edit: Not saying that all points apply to everyone who hates the ending. 

Modifié par Torrible, 04 avril 2012 - 07:38 .

[Zolt51]

Torrible wrote...

So what? There are plenty of psychological reasons why you'd feel this way.

-most recent bad experience more palpable then previous bad experiences
-groupthink
-social proof
-ending of ME3 seems worse in comparison to the almost unprecedented scope in storytelling of the rest of the series
-greater expectation leads to greater disappointment
-other games have terrible endings but because the story element is not the focus in those games, you conveniently ignore them

This ^^ Good man.

What do you mean by social proof? I'm not familiar witht the concept.

[Phaedros]

2001 is often cited ( it has the embryo/star child ending).

But that is nowhere near as unsatisfying as ME3.

[Torrible]

Zolt51 wrote...

Torrible wrote...

So what? There are plenty of psychological reasons why you'd feel this way.

-most recent bad experience more palpable then previous bad experiences
-groupthink
-social proof
-ending of ME3 seems worse in comparison to the almost unprecedented scope in storytelling of the rest of the series
-greater expectation leads to greater disappointment
-other games have terrible endings but because the story element is not the focus in those games, you conveniently ignore them

This ^^ Good man.

What do you mean by social proof? I'm not familiar witht the concept.

Thanks.

 http://en.wikipedia....ki/Social_proof 

Social proof, also known as informational social influence, is a psychological phenomenon where people assume the actions of others reflect correct behavior for a given situation.  This effect is prominent in ambiguous social situations where people are unable to determine the appropriate mode of behavior, and is driven by the assumption that surrounding people possess more knowledge about the situation.

[cutegigi]

Zolt51 wrote...

aliengmr1 wrote...
Ohh and ME3's, needs to actually be explained. Ep. 6 good guys blow up bad guys everyone happy.

My point exactly. Going for an unequivocally happy ending is the "safe" way: nobody will complain if you give them lots of warm fuzzies. Is it so wrong of Bioware to try to titillate some other areas in our brain? 

There may be flaws in execution but I don't think you can blame them for the intent behind the ending.

why can only have 1 at the expense of other ?
Instead of having "3" RGB ending ME could and actually should include both happy and depressing ending. Those who like to be happy can choose to do so. Those who prefer depression are also free to do as they will. 

[aliengmr1]

Zolt51 wrote...

aliengmr1 wrote...
Ohh and ME3's, needs to actually be explained. Ep. 6 good guys blow up bad guys everyone happy.

My point exactly. Going for an unequivocally happy ending is the "safe" way: nobody will complain if you give them lots of warm fuzzies. Is it so wrong of Bioware to try to titillate some other areas in our brain? 

There may be flaws in execution but I don't think you can blame them for the intent behind the ending.

As safe as Star Wars? of course not.

Should they have played it safer than they did? Hell yes.

In answer to your question, Yes it was wrong. Why? Because clearly they lacked the talent to do it. They could have intended the best ending in the history of storytelling, but it doesn't mean **** if they fail, which they did.

[MrFob]

RoamerZA wrote...

I do not think you can count series that were cancelled as bad endings. They were supposed to be cliffhangers.

BSG was bittersweet, but it was satisfying.

Voyager ending was crap. They got to Earth and closing titles. No resolution for the characters. They had an actor in the last episode playing Paris' father, and we did not even see them reunite.

I agree on the first two points but I think you cannot compare STV's ending to ME3 at all.
First off, I want to say that I find it hard to defend anything that has to do with Voyager because what they did to the borg in this series is just unforgivable but in terms of the last episode, I have to state one thing:
The closure for the characters is there, it is just done in a very convoluted way throughout the episode. We get a glimpse of what wil happen to each character. Sure it is a different time line and things will play out differently after the change but we get an indication of where the characters are going. That is more than the ME3 ending can claim.
Besides, at least Voyager blows up the damn borg sphere and earth is not assimilated, basically destroying the whole foundation for the ST universe or something. So maybe the ending was not perfect but it was still way better than ME3 to a point where it is not even comparable.

[Quotheraving]

@Torrible

For me it's partly a combination of the following from your list.

"ending of ME3 seems worse in comparison to the 'almost unprecedented' (read 'good' here, it's fairly good but not unprecedented by any stretch of the imagination) scope in storytelling of the rest of the series
-greater expectation leads to greater disappointment
-other games have terrible endings but because the story element is not the focus in those games, you 'conveniently' ignore them (Hardly! People wouldn't have been playing those games for the story in the first place so why should they feel the need to focus on it hmm? Now if you want to compare ME to other shooters fair enough, that's a different matter and let's face it there have been better shooters!)"

Group think, bandwaggonning and social proof are simply not factors for me as I played the game to the ending and was disgusted by it before coming to the forum to find my opinions shared by the vast majority of posters.

All the comparative factors in the world will not change the fact that ME3 had an atrociously poorly thought out, inconsistent and frankly morally repugnent ending, which seemed to have been entirely predicated on shoehorning in tired biblical allusions (Shep as Jesus, Joker and EDI as the first of a new kind of people in the garden of eden)... The best I can say for it is that the CGI was good.

Modifié par Quotheraving, 04 avril 2012 - 07:37 .

[zninjazzero]

Does the beginning of Alien 3 count? Totally invalidates the previous movie by destroying everything the main character fought so hard for in the span of a couple minutes, just like ME3.

[DarkWyccan]

stcalvin13 wrote...

The obvious candidate is BSG, but I think that ending--bad though it was--at least got some things right.

I didn't like the BSG ending, but I could live with it, because deep down it made sense.  I didn't feel cheated with that ending.

[SillyNydia]

stcalvin13 wrote...

The obvious candidate is BSG, but I think that ending--bad though it was--at least got some things right. 1) Most importantly, It focused on the characters--we got to see everyone make it to earth got to spend the basically the entire last hour with them. No drroping them on a planet and then cutting to black. 2) Hera (the kid we where told was so important for the whole series) turned out to be the most recent genetic ancestor to every living human, which is kinda important, I guess. and 3) The whole goal of the series--find earth--was sorta accomplished.

That's not to defend it, but I think it's pretty clearly superior to ME3's endings on these counts.

I'd take BSG ending over ME 3's anyday, while sad in its own right it struck a proper balance of good and bad, it followed through with the main goal of finding Earth, while not originally as intended (cylons and humans together), it gave an actual resolution and clear ending.

You got to actually see what became of the characters you came to love throughout the series and while still a sad ending of it coming to an end and the human race starting over.. it felt.. right.

In a way you can almost directly compare BSG ending to ME3's and see how BSG gave proper explanation to the ending and closure and hope through a tragic journey, seeing the surviving crew make new lives for themselves. ME3 gives you a journey with no proper explanation, no closure and the couple seconds of hope with the Normandy crash landing or Shepard taking a breath is quickly killed by no emotional involvement in it.

Just my thoughts.. 

[DarkWyccan]

Does Transformers Dark side of the moon count?

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

off the top of my head

lost
The matrix trilogy

[Sinekein]

DarkWyccan wrote...

Does Transformers Dark side of the moon count?

Don't you dare compare a Bay movie to ME3.

Anyway, BSG is not interactive. We are viewers, not players, and no one ever told us that our choices would matter in the end.

[Avatar231278]

DarkWyccan wrote...

stcalvin13 wrote...

The obvious candidate is BSG, but I think that ending--bad though it was--at least got some things right.

I didn't like the BSG ending, but I could live with it, because deep down it made sense.  I didn't feel cheated with that ending.

My thoughts exactly. Also it was difficult with the screen writers guild uprising to fulfill the time-table. If they had the possibility to do 7 seasons or at least 5, BSG would have got a great ending - maybe leading to the same outcome, but better told. Still the ending of BSG was implemented into great episodes (although I didn't want Leah Cairns to die but she got at least a meaning in her death) and lived up to its promise (get to earth... well even twice), and I found it nice to think that I might be partly cylon - maybe that's why I like Legion so much )

[Elios]

BSG and SG:U are right there at top with ME3 but yea ME3 wins for worst ending ever

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hmm SG:U MIGHT be worse becouse i put up with all the teen drama BS hoping for good SG seires pay off like with the later Atlantis eps with lots of guest stars but NO we got some open ended BS that will likely never be resolved

soo yea id say SG:U is worse but not by much

Modifié par Elios, 04 avril 2012 - 07:50 .

[Mixorz]

I posted earlier the anime Beserk. Yeah I know the manga continued it, but for people like me that only saw the anime, we watched gutts get his arm ripped off, he lost an eye, all his army got eaten by demons, his LI got tentacle raped, then raped by his best friend who turned into a demon.