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[Noelemahc]

Farscape, pre-Peacekeeper Wars, but that was not the creator's fault. Made up for ten times over since then by PK Wars and the subsequent comics and their glorious continuity porn.

In fact, the sensation Farscape's vanilla ending created were not much different from those ME3's ending generates. It's AN ending, certainly, but it's so very much a "To be continued"... at least Farscape was honest about it =)

[Drenick18]

ugh... thanks for reminding me OP. I thought the wounds have healed but... Frank Herbert's Dune Saga. his son totally ruined it. the original Dune was awesome, but then Frank Herbert died and his son "found" his last notes, took over, and turned the previously mysterious enemy into well... into evil machines who want to kill all the humans because why not.

[Elios]

Mixorz wrote...

I posted earlier the anime Beserk. Yeah I know the manga continued it, but for people like me that only saw the anime, we watched gutts get his arm ripped off, he lost an eye, all his army got eaten by demons, his LI got tentacle raped, then raped by his best friend who turned into a demon.

well if you want to drag anime in to this Neon Genesis Evangelion wins hands down people LITRALY stormed GAINAX over that one and Kareshi Kanojo no Jijō was pretty bad too another GAINAX anime
Yukikaza had pretty WTF ending too O.o even the novel was pretty bad

Zeta Gundam has a pretty downer ending but other 2 or 3 people that died to do rather derp and out character things it worked out imo and is good way to show how to do the downer ending right

Modifié par Elios, 04 avril 2012 - 07:55 .

[AquamanOS]

Most of the Final Fantasy games have poor, at least very confusing and vague endings once they became more cinematic ie: 7 and beyond.

7's was completely vague and left everyone hanging for a decade before finally releasing a film that explained what happened. Notably, just about everyone's assumptions turned out to be wrong.

8's was also vague, and to this day people aren't sure if the main character survived or not.

9's actually wraps it up well, as it was designed in the manner of the earlier games.
10's is straight forward, but randomly kills the main character in a scene nobody really saw coming. Though they bring him back in 10-2

Don't know about 12, but 13 ended without really resolving much. And 13-2 actually ends on a cliffhanger for DLC.

Also Chrono Cross and the shots of a random woman walking around Japan. What? Or KH and their eternal cliffhangers because that series will go on forever.

Really SE is just not good at endings.

[OpeSound]

Dunno... but those are "one of the worst ever" club members...

[Lyrandori]

Hmm, in Science-Fiction... good question, not sure.

As far as video games are concerned, the only game that comes to mind without even thinking about it is Borderlands' ending, I think it's actually worse than ME3's... BUT... certainly not as disappointing since I did NOT expect anything from Borderlands' ending in the first place. It's an action RPG-style game without much of a back-story or very memorable characters, there's no build up from previous titles or anything, it's just on its own, a game to be played with a smile and a grain of salt. Still, the ending sucks.

And... well, there's Mario Brothers 2's ending, but AT LEAST in that one it was made clear that it was indeed a dream, no need for speculation, developers said "Ok, MB2 was a dream in Mario's head during a good night of sleep, let's show that on screen and call it a night for ourselves", and it worked. As for movies or Sci-Fi novels, it's tough, I'm really trying to think about one but... can't. There's "bad" endings, yes, but to be WORSE than ME3's ending is to ask for a lot, I think you'd actually have to try really hard as a writer to come up with something worse, either by accident or intentionally.

Modifié par Lyrandori, 04 avril 2012 - 08:00 .

[Doctoglethorpe]

BSG was fantastic in comparison. 

At the time it left me a little disappointed, but in retrospect it was actually a damn good ending.  It did everything it needed to, tied up every loose end, give every character individual closure, everything feels finished.  I just didn't like the thought that after so much they just get to become cavemen, but eh bitter sweet.  It has as much closure as it possibly could, thats what counts.  Mass Effect 3 has almost no closure at all. 

[Drenick18]

there's really LOTS of awful and lame endings out there in sci-fi literature and media (BSG, Lost, the Matrix, Dune.. etc) but the difference between those and ME3 is audience interaction. Those were books where you had no choice but listen/read on what happens next, when it ends you just have to accept it. but ME3 gave you choice (or the illusion of choice. and control). So when the end came and we were all powerless to change it, even though the entire series taught us all otherwise, well... it sucked.

[BoogieBot]

someguy1231 wrote...

The ending of Star Trek : Enterprise. Even some of the cast members later spoke against it. Thankfully, it was later retconned in an expanded universe novel.

Yup. First comparison I thought of after the ending. Man they pulled a Enterprise..

[Raxxman]

A running theme here is mentioning shows that got canned.

It's hard for them to write endings when they didn't know it was the end.

BSG doesn't get off this one though.

[Torrible]

Elios wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

I posted earlier the anime Beserk. Yeah I know the manga continued it, but for people like me that only saw the anime, we watched gutts get his arm ripped off, he lost an eye, all his army got eaten by demons, his LI got tentacle raped, then raped by his best friend who turned into a demon.

well if you want to drag anime in to this Neon Genesis Evangelion wins hands down people LITRALY stormed GAINAX over that one and Kareshi Kanojo no Jijō was pretty bad too another GAINAX anime
Yukikaza had pretty WTF ending too O.o even the novel was pretty bad

Zeta Gundam has a pretty downer ending but other 2 or 3 people that died to do rather derp and out character things it worked out imo and is good way to show how to do the downer ending right

Interesting point about Neon Genesis Evangelion. The funny part is, the 'clarified' ending (End of Evangelion) was even worse. Retakers would be rioting on the streets if the ending was like this.

Modifié par Torrible, 04 avril 2012 - 08:08 .

[Piplodocus]

Hexley UK wrote...

At least the BSG ending made sense and wasn't full of plot holes and logic fail.

I don't know how you can type that with a straight face sir/madam! Unless I'm missing sarcasm tags... BSG's ending was riddled with them. Starter for ten, the Temple that pointed them to "Earth" showed the stars as visible from *our* Earth. The ending reveals that the Temple was supposedly pointing them to a different "Earth", in another part of the galaxy, with completely different visible constellations. Even the show's scientific advisor admits they messed that up.

[Doctor Uburian]

The ending of the Foundation saga was similar to ME3's the Synthesis ending, but it was, by far, much more satisfying.

The ending of Onwards the foundation (Which was published after Asimov's death) was much more depressing, and in fact, comparable to ME3's endings.

[Ibecomedeath]

Slash1667 wrote...

Let's see what I can come up with.....

The Highlander was great but then they made Highlander 2 which ret-conned the entire first movie basically.

But worst ending has to be Firefly. 9 episodes and then nothing....even though there were still 3 episodes left.

In all fairness, Firefly was cancelled, so there was no 'ending'... The movie Serenity was an attempt at a restart of the franchise as a series, but never garnered enough interested even if the movie did do well at the box office...

Can't compare something incomplete, such as Firefly, with something that just ended badly...

[kalamity116]

There's probably a lot of total s***-bad sci-fi endings out there. But in most cases, the rest of the movie or game was just as terrible, so the crap ending hardly even mattered.

In this case however, the rest of the game combined with the ending forms a special type of synergy, producing a level of incredibly disappointing, mind-blowingly depressing, pure and distilled complete and utter FAIL that has never before been seen.

[Piplodocus]

Seriously baffled by people who found the BSG ending "satisfying". I mean, I'm genuinely pleased for you, and I wish with my whole heart that I could say them same.

But being satisfying is one thing, claiming it makes sense is another. Saying "every loose end was tied up" etc is demonstrably untrue. What was Starbuck in the final season? Now, you may feel you know, but the show absolutely does not provide an answer, quite deliberately, if you read/listen to what Moore has to say on the matter. And there are many more besides...

[Ibecomedeath]

Torrible wrote...

So what? There are plenty of psychological reasons why you'd feel this way.

-most recent bad experience more palpable then previous bad experiences
-groupthink
-social proof
-ending of ME3 seems worse in comparison to the almost unprecedented scope in storytelling of the rest of the series
-greater expectation leads to greater disappointment
-other games have terrible endings but because the story element is not the focus in those games, you conveniently ignore them

Edit: -negative preconception (heard about how bad the ending was even before playing) skewing individual perspective

Edit: Not saying that all points apply to everyone who hates the ending. 

Negative on all counts... Prior to ME3 the worst ending I could think of was Skyline (even made a dinky little demotivational poster about it for another thread), however, ME3 left that looking like Oscar material...

Even if encompasing movies and television, I cannot think of another medium that did not leave me feeling so cheated out of my money, and in ME's case when you factor in the propaganda, I even felt lied to over how the story was to be 'concluded'... I am ignoring any show that was cancelled prematurely, the remake of V (Visitors) keeps coming to mind, but always need to remind myself that was cancelled...

I cannot think of a single movie, and I watch ALOT, sci-fi TV series that I enjoyed, or book I have ever read that has an ending that is so completely detached and unrelated to the rest of the story... Even the very worst endings I can recall, such as Skyline, at least were relevant to the rest of the story and did not change the entire tangent of several movies, books or seasons in the space of 10 minutes...

[flyboy85]

Star Trek: Enterprise.  Worst. Ending Series. Ever.

[OhoniX]

The Matrix
Return of the Jedi
ET
Revenge of the Sith
Avatar
Independence Day
Stargate SG-1
Stargate Atlantis
Battlestar Galactica
Caprica
Star Trek: The Next Generation
Star Trek (the new movie)

I don't know, there are more but those are the ones that come to mind.

[Shaoken]

AquamanOS wrote...
8's was also vague, and to this day people aren't sure if the main character survived or not.

Err, but he's sown as being alive at the end, how is that vague?

10's is straight forward, but randomly kills the main character in a scene nobody really saw coming. Though they bring him back in 10-2

Randomly? It was stated about half-way through the game that Tidus was a dream of the Fayth and when they wake up he'll disappear. What the hell is that if not foreshadowing?

[ducentar]

Torrible wrote...

Elios wrote...

Mixorz wrote...

I posted earlier the anime Beserk. Yeah I know the manga continued it, but for people like me that only saw the anime, we watched gutts get his arm ripped off, he lost an eye, all his army got eaten by demons, his LI got tentacle raped, then raped by his best friend who turned into a demon.

well if you want to drag anime in to this Neon Genesis Evangelion wins hands down people LITRALY stormed GAINAX over that one and Kareshi Kanojo no Jijō was pretty bad too another GAINAX anime
Yukikaza had pretty WTF ending too O.o even the novel was pretty bad

Zeta Gundam has a pretty downer ending but other 2 or 3 people that died to do rather derp and out character things it worked out imo and is good way to show how to do the downer ending right

Interesting point about Neon Genesis Evangelion. The funny part is, the 'clarified' ending (End of Evangelion) was even worse. Retakers would be rioting on the streets if the ending was like this.

^^ Probably the worst endings in Scifi ever(both of them as you pointed out). I got it, wasn't over my head,  but it just wasn't rewarding for me watching the series at all.

Funny thing is many of the issues occuring between Bioware and fans of the series is a mirror almost to a tee with what occured with Hideaki Anno and fans of NGE. Even more so it is over an ending that overshadwed the rest of the series. Still one of my favorite series, but i generally just don't bother with the last two episodes.

Modifié par ducentar, 04 avril 2012 - 09:08 .

[Slash1667]

Ibecomedeath wrote...

Slash1667 wrote...

Let's see what I can come up with.....

The Highlander was great but then they made Highlander 2 which ret-conned the entire first movie basically.

But worst ending has to be Firefly. 9 episodes and then nothing....even though there were still 3 episodes left.

In all fairness, Firefly was cancelled, so there was no 'ending'... The movie Serenity was an attempt at a restart of the franchise as a series, but never garnered enough interested even if the movie did do well at the box office...

Can't compare something incomplete, such as Firefly, with something that just ended badly...

Actually ME3 didn't end badly. It, like Firefly, was incomplete.

[rachellouise]

did you ever play project eden?

[Noelemahc]

Slash1667 wrote...

Actually ME3 didn't end badly. It, like Firefly, was incomplete.

As good an explanation as any, I guess. Doesn't make it any easier to tolerate, though.